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Persoonlijke gegevens Joane WidowofWilliam Vincent 

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  • Zij is geboren in het jaar 1582 in Aylesbury Parish, Buckinghamshire, England.
  • Geïmmigreerd.Bron 3
  • (Alt. Birth) rond 1584: England.Bron 3
  • (Alt. Death) na 1639.Bron 3
  • Zij is overleden in Henrico Co, Virginia, Verenigde Staten.
  • Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 4 december 2022.

Gezin van Joane WidowofWilliam Vincent

Zij is getrouwd met Thomas Harris.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 1635 te Woodham Mortimer, Southminster, Creeksea, Essex, England.Bron 2


Notities over Joane WidowofWilliam Vincent

[Jesse Macon Lawrence Jr]

The non-alphabetized list for the 1624 Muster for the settlement at Neck of Land goes, in part, like this:

-- William Vincent, age 39, by the Mary & James (no date)
-- Joane, his wife, age 42
-- Thomas Harris, age 38, by the Prosperous, May 1611
-- Adria, his wife, age 23, by the Marmaduke, Nov 1621
-- Ann Woodlasse, their kinswoman, age 7
-- Elizabeth, a servant, age 15, by Margaret & John 1620
-- John Price, age 40, by Star (no date)
-- Ann, his wife, age 21, by Francis Bonaventure, Aug 1620
-- Mary, a child, 3 months

Does this order mean anything?  It certainly does.  An analysis of the land patent records in Cavaliers and Pioneers shows that the properties for William Vincent, Thomas Harris, and John Price stretched along the second curl of the James River from north to south in that same order.  The area today is called Curles Neck and is the site of an archaeological project on the old Curles Plantation.

Joane Vincent, the wife of William Vincent is the ONLY person with the name of "Joane" in the 1624 muster list for the "Neck of Land" settlement.

Witness these abstracts of the following patents in Cavaliers and Pioneers Volume I:

Page 33
Thomas Harris, 11 Nov 1635
750 Acres.
Southward upon land of Edward Virgany (Gurgaynie).
Northward upon LAND OF Joane Harris, his wife.
West upon the river.
East into the woods.

This designates that his wife Joane had her own land and it was to the north and on the opposite side of Thomas Harris's property from that of Edward Gurgaynie who died before 1619.  Thomas Harris already had possession of the Gurgaynie property.  How did Joane Harris have her own land that was separate from the land of Thomas Harris?

Page 87
Elizabeth Balhash, 2 May 1638
300 Acres
Within Four Mile Creek near Curles.
South by west upon land of William Vincent. (doesn't mean he was alive)
Granted 9 Dec 1636.  (Notice the grant to Balhash had actually been made two years earlier.)

Four Mile Creek still has that name and empties into the river at the northern tip of the second curl.

Page 111
Mathew Gough, 25 July 1639
350 Acres
West upon river.
South on land of Balhash.
100 acres part formerly granted to William Vincent, DECEASED.

Additional patents show that the land first granted to John Price is, at that point in time, in possession of Robert Hallom and is on the river to the southeast and adjacent to Thomas Harris.

My read from all of this:
William Vincent owned the land on the north side of the Thomas Harris property.
William Vincent was dead before 1635.
Audrey Harris, the 1st wife of Thomas Harris had also died sometime prior to 1635.
Thomas Harris remarried Joane Vincent, the widow of his adjacent neighbor William Vincent.

This produces the perfect match and explanation for the 1635 patent for Thomas Harris.

Once the idea is accepted that Capt. Thomas Harris secondly married Joane Vincent, then we have some answers to a few other questions that have plagued Harris researchers about Capt. Thomas Harris.  If Joane Vincent was 42 in 1624, then she was born in 1582.  By 1635 she was age 53 and Capt. Thomas Harris was age 49.  I doubt if she was the mother of his son William Harris.  Most likely the two children of Capt. Thomas Harris, Mary and William, were both by his first wife Audrey Hoare.  We already know the "witchcraft trial" incident never happened so there is no reason place the death of Audrey Harris before 1626.  She probably died much closer to 1635.

[James P. Harris" (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX), 4/2/2002]

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In 1629, Audrey Hoare would be age 27.  Joane Vincent was age 47.  Due to the record references of the "land of William Vincent, deceased" appearing in the years from 1635 to 1639, it would seem William Vincent probably died closer to 1635 than to 1625.  The evidence we have available seems to be more compelling to believe that Audrey Hoare died sometime after the birth of William Harris but before 1635.

Andria Gurganey was not the wife of Thomas Harris, It was Audry Hoare.

I just recently was approved as a member of the Jamestowne Society.  I had made application with Edward Gurganey as my qualifying ancestor. But the papers came back with notations that the there is doubt that Edward Gurganey had a daughter, Adria.  I was instead approved under Capt Thomas Harris, Burgess.  In fact the society's verifying genealogist, Lyndon Hart, had written an article dealing with the subject of Adia.  [see Mag. of Virginia  Gen., Vol 34 Winter 1996 No 1 P51ff]  Essentially it argued that Adry, wife of Thomas Harris, was actually Audry Hoare, a maiden who came to Virginia aboard the ship Marmaduke in August 1621.  She was born at Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, bp 28 Aug 1604.  Her parents were Thomas Hoare and Julyan Tripplett.  My genealogist, Paul Reed, has researched this further and says, "This is the ONLY Audry among the list of women to be transported to Virginia on the Marmaduke bound for Virginia in August 1621 [it arrived in November 1621].  Her age matches the age of Adria, wife of Thomas Harris."  He went on to conclude that Audry was actually one and the same as Adria.  Therefore, there is no direct connection with Edward Gurganey.  However, the land patent issued in feb 1638/39 to Thomas Harris still suggests that there was a connection between Gurganey and Harris or Hoare. ; Note, the key to this is that Gurganey and Hoare families were both in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.  And so was the Woodliffe family!  So it now is certain that Thomas Harris' wife was Adry aka Adria aka Audry Hoare. [not Gurganey as has long been believed].  We have several more leads to follow in Aylesbury. We might also find more about the Harris line.
[Jim Hancock <(XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)]

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THE MUSTER OF THOMAS HARRIS

Thomas Harris aged 38 yeares in the PROSPEROUS in May Adria Hoare his wife aged 23 yeares in the MARMADUKE in NOvember 1621 Ann Woodlase theire kinswoman aged 7 yeares

following information in "Southside Virginia Familes, Volume II by Boddie.  The chapter title is "Descendants of Edward Gurgany, Member of First General Assembly, 1619".  To set the scene, Edward died before his wife Anne.  In her will dated Feb. 11, 1619-20, she bequeathed their land to Thomas Harris, who had evidently married their daughter Adrai.  This is shown in a grant to Capt. Thomas Harris July 12, 1637 of 400 acres of land, "Due as followeth 400 acres being granted to Edward Gurgany by order of Court, being date Oct. 1, 1617 from the late Treasurer and Company and bequeathed by Ann Gurgany widow and relict of said Edward Gurgany to the said Thomas Harris by her last will bearing date Feb.11, AD 1619-20 (C.p.60).
"Captain Thomas Harris was married twice.  His fist wife was ADRAI Hoare an  ancient PLANTER, proven by the following land grant to "Capt. Thomas Harris, 820 acres known by the name of "Longfield" Henrico County , 26 Feb. 1638---100 acres for his own personal adventure, 100 acres for his first wife ADRY HARRIS, as being  ancient Planters & 620 acres for the transportation of 13 persons. ; (C.P. 101).
At a witchcraft trial held in Jamestown, Sept. 11, 1626, "Rebecca Gray was a witness against goodwife "Wright" the suspected witch.  She swore that "goodwife Wright did tell her that she told Thomas Harris he should bury his first wife, being then betrothed unto him, which came to pass" (ColSurry-77i).  To indulge in such a prophecy in those days seems to have been very detrimental.  Anyway Adrai Harris died sometime before September 1626.
Adrai Hoare was an  ancient Planter.  This meant that she came to Virginia before November 1616, the time of the going away of Sir Thomas Dale.  Now Edward Gurgany came over in 1608.  Adrai, if his daughter, was married to Thomas Harris before the date of her mother's will, Feb. 11, 1619-20.  At a minimum she would be probably 16 years of age at that date.  She was married before that date, how long before is not known.  Her birth was about 1604 or earlier.  She would therefore be about four years of age at the time he came over in 1608 and Gurganey probably brought over his wife and daughter much later but at least before 1616 for her to be an Ancient Planter.  Who else among the  ancient Planters but Edward Gurgany and his wife could have been the father and mother of " ancient Planter" Adrai Harris?
Captain THOMAS HARRIS, an  ancient Planter having come over in 1611, was a member of the House of Burgesses from Charles City in 1623/24 and from Henrico in 1639-47. ; Adrai Harris died about 1626, and Thomas Harris married apparently in 1626 a second wife whose first name was "Joan".  There is no clue to her family name and it is positively unknown.  (See V.H.G.-199)

Adria Hoare, his wife, age 23, came in the Marmaduke in November 1621, and Ann Woodlase, their kinswoman, aged 7."  William & Mary Quarterly: "Henrico County, Virginia, Beginnings of its  Families," by William Clayton Torrence.

It is certain that one was named Adria Hoare, and a later one Joane, e.g. from the 1623/24 census, and a 1635 land grant, respectively.  It seems that Adria might be a Hoare, because of a substantial bequest made to HARRIS by Ann GURGANEY, widow of Edward GURGANEY, in her will of 1619.  In 1635, a grant mentions HARRIS' then wife Joane, and his land from the estate of Edward "VIRGANY."  I have seen a reasoned argument based on the first document that claims Adria was a Hoare (prob).     ; Edward GURGANEY arrived in Virginia 1608.  But that Charles City muster says, regarding Thomas HARRIS, "...Adria Thomas Harris's  wife, aged 23 years in the Marmaduke in Nov. 1621." suppose it's possible that Edward and Ann GURGANEY left a 7 yr old daughter behind in England for 13 years??  Frankly, I'm skeptical that either was a GURGANEY.

More About ADRIA OSBORNE: Aka (Facts Pg): Adria Osborne or Gurganey Cause of Death: Apparently complications of childbirth Immigrated: 1621, On Marmaduke (father Capt Thomas OSBORNE

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[Donna Warner Lehman]

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~harrisessex/Harris-Gurgaynie. html

by J. Phillip Harris
March 3, 2001

(Added Note - October 9, 2002.  Since writing this in March 2001, and as a result of the continuing research talked about in this article, a number of significant new discoveries have been made concerning Capt. Thomas Harris.  It has been determined that the first wife of Thomas Harris was Audrey Hoare of Aylesbury, Buckingham who came to Virginia on the Marmaduke in 1621.  It has also been determined that the second wife of Thomas Harris was Joane Vincent, the widow of his adjacent neighbor at "Neck of Land", William Vincent.  It has also been proposed that Thomas Harris was likely a member of a group of early settlers to Virginia that came from the area around Aylesbury, Buckingham.  All of this is discussed in other articles that I have written since March, 2001.  This would, of course, nullify most of the theories discussed in this article.  This article, however, contains a significant amount of other information that may be helpful in doing research in the early Harris families and is still being presented for that purpose.)

Age 40 or 42 in 1624 Muster list names Joane VINCENT married to William VINCENT aged 39 - arrived on the Mary & James (no date given).

Joane VINCENT made several allegations of sexual misconduct of her neighbors at the Neck of Land, inclulding Alice BOYSE and her own future 2nd husband, Thomas HARRIS.

Nor was Joan Vincent's squabble with Thomas Harris the first time that she had been before the Jamestown council, which in the colony was forced to take on the role of a church court, assuming the responsibility for policing morality that would in England have belonged to the local archdeacon.  In 1624 there had been a series of episodes in which she had made sexual allegations against another of her neighbours.  Having claimed that Alice Boyse, one of the newcomers to the Neck of Land, had given birth to a bastard, Joan was taken to court.  Failing to prove her contention, she was condemned to stand in a white sheet before the congregation and ask Alice's pardon.  This she refused to do.  She then appealed to the council, but her appeal was dismissed. Unrepentant, she then accused Alice of causing trouble at Jordan's Journey between Samuel Jordan and his wife because of Samuel's great love for Alice, and further alleged that Alice and her husband 'had made ... an arswarde Bargane before [they] were maryed'. Alice thereupon sought to have Joan prove her slanders and be censured.?

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