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Persoonlijke gegevens Hawise de Muscegros (dau of Robert de Musegross) 

• Alternatieve naam: Hawise Muscegros
• Zij is geboren op 21 december 1276 in Charlton Musgrove, Wincanton, Somerset, England.Bronnen 3, 5, 8, 9
• Beroep: Lady of Charlton, Norton and Bickner.Bron 7
• (Alt. Death) na 24 juni 1340: Chartley Castle, Chartley, Staffordshire, England.Bronnen 3, 5, 8
• (Alt. Death) na 1340.Bron 7
• Zij is overleden na juni 1340 in Chartley Castle, Chartley, Staffordshire, England.Bronnen 3, 9

  living 1340
  Living

• Een kind van Robert de Muscegros en Agnès de Ferrers
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 4 december 2022.

Gezin van Hawise de Muscegros (dau of Robert de Musegross)

(1) Zij is getrouwd met John 1st Baron de Ferrers.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 13 september 1300.Bronnen 3, 8, 9

Kind(eren):

1. Robert de Ferrers  1309-1350 
2. John 2nd Baron de Ferrers  > 1300-< 1324
3. Eleanor de Ferrers  ± 1310-> 1360 

(2) Zij is getrouwd met John de Bures.

Zij zijn getrouwd na 1312.Bronnen 3, 5, 8

Kind(eren):

1. Catherine de Bures  ± 1280-???? 

(3) Zij is getrouwd met William de Mortimer.

Zij zijn getrouwdBronnen 3, 5

Notities over Hawise de Muscegros (dau of Robert de Musegross)

[Jim Weber.ged]

Hawise de Muscegros, b. 21 Dec 1276, d. aft. 24 June 1340; m. (2) bet. 2 Feb 1297/8 and 13 Sep 1300, Sir John de Ferrers, Lord Ferrers of Chartley, d. 1312; m. (3) Sir John de Bures, d. Bodington, 21 or 22 Dec 1350.
[Magna Charta Sureties]

Note: Ancestral Roots has a death date: "bef. Dec 1350",  both AR & MCS could be correct since the dates are not mutually exclusive.

Note: Some say that no marriage took place between William de Mortimer & Hawise de Muscegros, only a betrothal. ; However MCS names her marriage to John de Ferrers as her 2nd marriage and 3rd to John de Bures, and CP IX:281 note (c) states that the marriage took place, however the CP entry below states the marriage was "not consumated".

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He [John de Ferrers] married, between 2 February 1297/8 and 13 September 1300, Hawise, daughter and heir of Sir Robert DE MUSCEGROS, of Stowell, Norton, and Charlton, Somerset, Kemerton and Boddington, co. Gloucester, Hampstead and Aldworth, Berks, by Agnes, his wife (c).  She was widow of William DE MORTEMER, of Bridgwater, Milverton, and Odcombe, Somerset, Crendon, Bucks, &c. (a younger son of Sir Roger de Mortemer, of Wigmore, co. Hereford), who died s.p. shortly before 30 June 1297, but this marriage had not been consummated.  On 12 and 17 July 1302 John de Ferrers and Hawise had livery of the lands of Cecily de Muscegros, her grandmother (who died shortly before 10 August 1301), the King having taken his homage therefor.  When Seneschal of Gascony, he had serious differences (graves dissensiones et discordie), from which tumults had arisen, with Amanieu, Sire d'Albret, and other magnates, and on 5 August 1312 John and Amanieu were ordered to appear before a commission appointed to settle the dispute; finally, 16 and 19 August, they were ordered to come before the King wherever he might be in England, to make peace in the royal presence: but about this time, probably in August 1312, John died in Gascony, of poison, it was said, at the age of 41.  His widow married Sir John de BURES.  In 1329 and 1330 they made dispositions dealing with all, or nearly all, of her cstates.  She, who was born 21 December 1276, was living, 24 June 1340, but died before him.  He died at Boddington, 21 or 22 December 1350.
[Complete Peerage V:581-5, (transcribed by Dave Utzinger)]

(c) According to the usual account, this Agnes was daughter of William, Earl of Derby, by his 2nd wife, Margaret de Quency.  This is obviously impossible, for it would make John and Hawise first cousins.

NOTE: "Some Corrections & Additions to CP", based on arguments by Douglas Richardson, does not think that Hawise was daughter of Robert de Muscegros by Agnes de Ferrers, as this would make Hawise & John 1st cousins, and their dispensation was based on a much more tenuous relationship.   Also Douglas claims that the first appearance of Agnes as Robert de Muscegros' wife was in 1278/9, so Hawise was probably daughter of some earlier Muscegros.

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