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Persoonlijke gegevens Thomas Warren 

• Hij is geboren op 25 mei 1604 in Poynton, Stockport, Cheshire, England.Bronnen 4, 7
• (Alt. Birth) op 25 mei 1604.Bron 4
• (Alt. Birth) op 25 mei 1604: Stockport, Cheshire, England.Bron 4
• (Alt. Death) op 20 december 1677: Sandbach, Cheshire, England.Bron 4
• Hij is overleden op 20 december 1677 in Sandbach, Cheshire, England, hij was toen 73 jaar oud.Bronnen 8, 9
• Een kind van Edward Warren en Susan Booth
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 4 december 2022.

Gezin van Thomas Warren

Hij is getrouwd met Nn Nn.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1634 te Charles Co., Maryland, hij was toen 29 jaar oud.

Kind(eren):

1. John Radcliffe Warren  1635-1687 
2. Richard Warren  1641-????
3. Thomas Warren  1644-????

Notities over Thomas Warren

A Biographical History of England: from Egbert the Great to the ..., Volume 2
By James Granger
p. 144

Mentions Thomas.

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Norma Kirchhofer (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)

this Thomas Warren per DNA and confirmed by the UK was buried in Presbury, England

he did not marry Mrs Susan Greenleafe she married Thomas Marcham this information was transcribled wrong

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http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Warren-1669

Born 25 May 1604 in Stockport, Cheshire, Englandmap
Son of Edward Warren and Susan (Booth) Warren
Brother of Abel Warren, John Warren, William Warren and John R. Warren
Husband of Elizabeth Perrin —  married [date unknown] [location unknown]
Father of John Warren
Died 20 Dec 1677 in Surry County, Virginia

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Re: Susan Greenleaf 1614 Virginia
By Karen Brandon February 08, 2008 at 05:03:38

    In reply to: Re: Susan Greenleaf 1614 Virginia
    Sue Stepp 8/25/02

It's me again, raining on everyone's parade, and I don't know where this information is coming from, although i'd like to know.If you are talking about the Susan Greenleaf in the Jamestown area, this is what I DO know : Robert Greenleaf was Susan Greenleaf's HUSAND, not father.He was one of the "ancient planters", i.e. among the first group of Englishmen to come into Jamestown and try to plant tobacco.According to the information in the Muster Roll (1625) he had come to Va. and then later Susan (whose maiden name we don't know) and he married.They had a son, Thomas Greenleaf, and a very young daughter (22 weeks) at the time the Muster roll was taken in about 1625 by the English government to see who was left alive and what arms and supplies they still had to get through the winter.This was also for the purpose of knowing who owned land and should be taxed for it after all the illness, starvation, and massacres.

SOMETIME prior to 1636, we know that Robert Greenelaf died from something, because in a 1636 deed, we find a Thomas MARKHAM (not WARREN) claiming land for his having made the trip to Virginia to settle there,more land for the two male passengers he brought along , and some land through his WIFE Susan Greenleaf, relict (widow) of Robert Greenleaf before she married Thomas Markham.

This deed was miscopied later and a scrivener's error had Susan married to Thomas WARREN, but that is not the case (unless someone has a marriage record or other evidence to the contrary).The first deed says Thomas Markham, the copy
says Thomas Warren, but everything else is the same.A later copy and a map and some other records indicate that the 300 acres mentioned in both deeds belonged to Thomas MARKHAM, not Warren.

Unfortunately, someone did not go back far enough when researching - maybe only looked in the index without actually reading the deeds - and picked up the Warren deed and didn't know it was a mistake.Now it's all over the internet. Consequently, there appear to be many Warren researchers out there who think they trace back to Robert and Susan Greenleaf when they don't.

I don't know who Susan's parents were, but it isn't likely they were named Greenleaf, since her first husband was one.
From the muster roll, you can extrapolate the birth years of Susan, Robert, and their two apparent children.Thomas Greenleaf, their son, would have been about 14 when Susan married Thomas Markham.

I have no info about whether Thomas Greenleaf or his sister lived to grow up as i descend from the Markham end.Some of the Markhams believe and have published (and it's been an accepted theory in the genealogical periodicals) that another Thomas Markham who gets land across the James river later is the son of Thomas Markham and Susan maiden-name-unknown Greenleaf Markham, but no proof of this has been shown.

For any Greenleaf researchers who are interested in this Thomas Markham, the "accepted" theory is that the son of the original "Jamestown" Thomas Markham and Susan Greenleaf
was the progenitor of the Markham group (visible in the Revolution)which worked its way across Virginia to Bedford and Botetourt counties , Virginia.(Of course, this Thomas Markham COULD have been Thomas Greenleaf who took the Markham name, so if you are a direct Greenleaf descendant, we'd love your dna numbers !)

Sorry if this is bad news for the Warren folks.Anyone who wants to check my facts, can do so by looking up the Muster Roll in Va Pioneers and Cavaliers, and the deeds on microfilm at the Richmond archives.

Wow, I just clicked on the tv and Nova is doing a special on JAMESTOWN and Pocahontas !What a coincidence !

Happy Hunting

karen marcum pendergrass brandon

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[Jesse Macon Lawrence Jr.ged]

Thomas immigrated to Virginia and married Susan Greenlead.  Susan came to America in 1620 aboard the JONATHAN with her children, Thomas age 3 years  and Ann aged 22 weeks.  She was 23 years old.  Thomas and Susan were  married in 1634.  In 1635 he patented 300 acres of land in Charles City County, Virginia.  Part was in Susan's name for her personal adventure.  Part ws "for her former husband, Robert Greenleaf, being an ancient planter in the time of Sir Thomas dale" and the remainder in being due to Thomas for his personal adventure and transportation of two persons into Virginia, John Fonke and Ruth Whitfield.

[David Oliver Smith.ged]

In Thomas Warren the legitimate line of Geoffrey Plantagenet (1113 - 1151) through Matilda, Countess of Anjou to Henry II, King John, Henry III and the illegitimate line through Adelaide de Angiers to Hamelin Plantagenet and the 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th Earls of Surrey and Warrene are united 450 years later.

Thomas Warren secured passage to Virginia by becoming an indentured servant of the Greenleafes, as he is listed as such on one of the logs.

Virginia Land Patent records of 1635, show that Thomas and Susan Warren, "RELICT OF ROBERT GREENLEAFE" were deeded 300 acres of land between them.

The following is copied from a stone in the floor of the South Transcript of Romsey Abbey:
Here lyeth the body of Mr. Tho. Warren, a learned, pious, and faithful minister of Christ, a solid and nervous assertor of discriminating grace and breed well, who died Jan the 27th, 1623/4 aged 77.  T'was Christ he preached lord livd but now is gon to live with Christ in the heavenly mansioned.  May we Christ love and live, so living dye, so dying live in bliss and (to) eternity.

Thomas immigrated to Virginia and married Susan Greenleaf.  Susan came to America in 1620 aboard the JONATHAN with her children, Thomas age 3 years and Ann aged 22 weeks.  She was 23 years old.  Thomas and Susan were married in 1634.  In 1635 he patented 300 acres of land in Charles City County, Virginia.  Part was in Susan's name for her personal adventure.  Part ws "for her former husband, Robert Greenleaf, being an ancient planter in the time of Sir Thomas dale" and the remainder in being due to Thomas for his personal adventure and transportation of two persons into Virginia, John Fonke and Ruth Whitfield.

Thomas Warren secured passage to Virginia by becoming an indentured servant of the Greenleafes, as he is listed as such on one of the logs.

Virginia Land Patent records of 1635, show that Thomas and Susan Warren, "RELICT OF ROBERT GREENLEAFE" were deeded 300 acres of land between
them.

Thomas Warren found in:
Passenger and Immigration Index, 1500s-1900s
Place: Virginia Year: 1635
Primary immigrant: Warren, Thomas
Accompanying family members: Wife Susan Greeneleafe
Permanent entry number: 7539564
Accession number: 2218866
Source publication code: 6220
Source publication page number: 34
Source publication: NUGENT, NELL MARION. Cavaliers and Pioneers: Abstracts of Virginia Land Patents and Grants, 1623-1666. Vol. 1. Richmond [VA]: Dietz Printing Co., 1934. 767p. Reprinted by Genealogical Publishing Co., Baltimore, 1983.

Susan Greenleafe and Thomas Warren in Virginia
Reading the history of the WARREN FAMILY, it becomes apparent that there were many marriages arranged with the sole purpose of obtaining land and titles and holding onto vast family estates.  Daughters of noblemen were married off to the sons of noblemen.  Women were not allowed to own much land and quite often there was no love or fidelity involved in the marriage relationship.
As was English law, titles and land passed to the first-born sons.

Robert Greenleafe first arrived in Virginia in 1610. ; He made numerous crossings, each voyage lasting approximately three months.  Ship passenger lists show that he made this treacherous voyage again in 1618 and 1620.
The promise of land and a new life with freedoms unrealized in England brought many thousands of desperate people to Virginia.  The price of the voyage could be had by becoming an indentured servant, agreeing to work for the new landowner for a prescribed number of years.
Ship records show that Robert Greenleafe, aged 43, an "ancient planter" and his young wife Susan, aged 23, together with their two young children, Thomas, aged 3 and Anne, aged 22 months, landed in Virginia aboard the ship "Jonathan" in the year 1624.
We don't know what became of these two young children, as they are not listed on subsequent census records.  Many settlers, especially the young, died of smallpox or other diseases, starvation and hardships untold.  However, by the year 1635, Virginia Land Patent records show that Susan, the "relict" of Robert Greenleafe and her husband Thomas Warren were deeded 300 acres of land between them.
Susan Greenleafe Warren (b.1601) was approximately 39 years old when her and Thomas Warren's son JOHN R. WARREN was born.

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Re: Susan Greenleaf 1614 Virginia
By Karen Brandon February 08, 2008 at 05:03:38

    In reply to: Re: Susan Greenleaf 1614 Virginia
    Sue Stepp 8/25/02

It's me again, raining on everyone's parade, and I don't know where this information is coming from, although i'd like to know.If you are talking about the Susan Greenleaf in the Jamestown area, this is what I DO know : Robert Greenleaf was Susan Greenleaf's HUSAND, not father.He was one of the "ancient planters", i.e. among the first group of Englishmen to come into Jamestown and try to plant tobacco.According to the information in the Muster Roll (1625) he had come to Va. and then later Susan (whose maiden name we don't know) and he married.They had a son, Thomas Greenleaf, and a very young daughter (22 weeks) at the time the Muster roll was taken in about 1625 by the English government to see who was left alive and what arms and supplies they still had to get through the winter.This was also for the purpose of knowing who owned land and should be taxed for it after all the illness, starvation, and massacres.

SOMETIME prior to 1636, we know that Robert Greenelaf died from something, because in a 1636 deed, we find a Thomas MARKHAM (not WARREN) claiming land for his having made the trip to Virginia to settle there,more land for the two male passengers he brought along , and some land through his WIFE Susan Greenleaf, relict (widow) of Robert Greenleaf before she married Thomas Markham.

This deed was miscopied later and a scrivener's error had Susan married to Thomas WARREN, but that is not the case (unless someone has a marriage record or other evidence to the contrary).The first deed says Thomas Markham, the copy
says Thomas Warren, but everything else is the same.A later copy and a map and some other records indicate that the 300 acres mentioned in both deeds belonged to Thomas MARKHAM, not Warren.

Unfortunately, someone did not go back far enough when researching - maybe only looked in the index without actually reading the deeds - and picked up the Warren deed and didn't know it was a mistake.Now it's all over the internet. Consequently, there appear to be many Warren researchers out there who think they trace back to Robert and Susan Greenleaf when they don't.

I don't know who Susan's parents were, but it isn't likely they were named Greenleaf, since her first husband was one.
From the muster roll, you can extrapolate the birth years of Susan, Robert, and their two apparent children.Thomas Greenleaf, their son, would have been about 14 when Susan married Thomas Markham.

I have no info about whether Thomas Greenleaf or his sister lived to grow up as i descend from the Markham end.Some of the Markhams believe and have published (and it's been an accepted theory in the genealogical periodicals) that another Thomas Markham who gets land across the James river later is the son of Thomas Markham and Susan maiden-name-unknown Greenleaf Markham, but no proof of this has been shown.

For any Greenleaf researchers who are interested in this Thomas Markham, the "accepted" theory is that the son of the original "Jamestown" Thomas Markham and Susan Greenleaf
was the progenitor of the Markham group (visible in the Revolution)which worked its way across Virginia to Bedford and Botetourt counties , Virginia.(Of course, this Thomas Markham COULD have been Thomas Greenleaf who took the Markham name, so if you are a direct Greenleaf descendant, we'd love your dna numbers !)

Sorry if this is bad news for the Warren folks.Anyone who wants to check my facts, can do so by looking up the Muster Roll in Va Pioneers and Cavaliers, and the deeds on microfilm at the Richmond archives.

Wow, I just clicked on the tv and Nova is doing a special on JAMESTOWN and Pocahontas !What a coincidence !

Happy Hunting

karen marcum pendergrass brandon

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