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Persoonlijke gegevens Philip Lybbe Powys Lybbe (born POWYS) 

• Hij is geboren op 12 juni 1818 in Broomfield House, Southgate, Middx.
• Hij is gedoopt op 28 september 1818 in Whitchurch, Oxon.Bron 7
• Beroep: 1st s. Barrister, JP for Oxon, MP for Newport IOW 1859-65..
• Opleiding: Eton & Balliol, Oxon, matric 1836, MA: ?..
• Hij is overleden op 12 september 1897 in The Den, Patcham, Sussex, hij was toen 79 jaar oud.
• Hij is begraven in St Mary the Virgin, Whitchurch, Oxon.
• Een kind van Henry Philip Powys en Julia Barrington
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 4 december 2022.

Gezin van Philip Lybbe Powys Lybbe (born POWYS)

(1) Hij is getrouwd met Ann Phillis Greenwood.

Zij zijn getrouwd op 11 juni 1844 te Tilehurst, Berks, hij was toen 25 jaar oud.

I beleive the separation to have been in 1863 or before.  The reasons are (a) that his first child Amy to Fanny Worth was born in around 1865 and (b) he got the Royal Licence to change his name in 1863, and he used the name of Lybbe for himself, Fanny and their three daughters.
However RCLP-L writes in his testament that the separation of his grandparents did not occur until 1869.  I just don't think he, RCL P-L, got it right.

Kind(eren):

1. Henry Philip Powys  1845-1845
2. Philip Barrington Lybbe Powys  1848-1868
3. Julia Elinor Powys  1850-> 1933 
4. Edith Mary Powys  1853-1888 
5. William Reginald Lybbe Powys-Lybbe  1856-1888 

Gebeurtenis (Separated) voor 1863: Separated.

(2) Hij is getrouwd met Fanny Worth.

Zij zijn getrouwd voor 1864.

CLAW: NOTE In his 1870 will she is "my friend Fanny Worth"

Kind(eren):

1. Amy Lybbe  ± 1865-????
2. Mabel Lybbe  1866-???? 
3. Helen Lybbe  ± 1872-1953

Notities over Philip Lybbe Powys Lybbe (born POWYS)

Martin P-L writes:

1836matriculated at Balliol Coll.
1839entered Inner Temple
1843called to Bar.  He worked in the Oxford circuit, became a J.P.
1844married Anne, dau. of Thos. Greenwood of Turners Court, Wallingford.
1845Henry Philip born, in 9 Somers Place, Hyde Park. ; He sadly died the same  year, and was buried in Weldon Chapel Yard, Southgate.
1848-56   They had 4 more children: Philip Barrington, Julia, Edith, Wm. Reginald.
He outlived all his sons.
1859-65  M.P. for Newport I.o.W.
18 Feb 1863 Obtained royal licence to retake name of Lybbe, effectively to incorporate it in the surname.

Although he owned both Hardwick and Bloomfield, I don't think he ever lived at either, once he had grown up.  In 1845, as we have seen, he was living in Hyde Park. ; Later he lived in Holly Copse, ex-King Charles Inn, on the Hardwick estate.  In 1885 he lived at 47 Tregunter Rd., London S.W.
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1818 Whitchurch Baptism Register:
"1818 Sep 28   POWYS   Philip Lybbe s. Henry Philip, gent & Julia of Southgate in the Parish of Edmonton privately baptised at Edmonton, Middx 12th June"
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Notes by TFPL, March 1999 on:

In 1865 the first of his three daughters, Amy, to Fanny Worth was born. (Where?)
In 1866, Mabel was born. (Where?)
In 1868 he wrote, and in 1869 they were published, two short books, probably allegorical of his life, called: "HEC's First and Second of October at Holly Copse" and "The Lay of the Sheriff".  I have seen one copy of the former that is inscribed by him to his then infant daughter Amy.
1st Jan 1870: he wrote a letter with the address of Holly Copse, Reading, which was on the Hardwick estate.
13th Jan 1870: He wrote a letter from 47 Tregunter Road: so when did he acquire 47, Tregunter Rd?
In 1870, he wrote a new will, leaving all to Fanny Worth at Tregunter Road, where they were all living.
In 1872 Helen was born.
In the 1881 census he called himself, Fanny and the three daughters all by the name of Lybbe only.
On 21 & 26 Nov 1883 & 29 Nov 1885, Palmer's Index to the Times reports a Civil Action of Lybbe v. Hart. No details as yet, but the "Lybbe" has to be him.  It was, but the case was very dull, about some hay on the land of a deceased farmer called Hart.
In 2nd qtr of 1885 Mabel had married Herbert Bowker. ; Can't find any marriage of the other two daughters.
Fanny Worth was an executor and was left at least £34,000 in trust for her and her daughters.  Presumably it was she and/or the other executors who had him buried at Whitchurch in the family crypt in the churchyard.
By 1887 he had had set up the "Oxford" and "Middlesex" trusts for the benefit of his only suriving son William Reginald.
In 1887 he was living at "The Den" in Brighton; except for Mabel, who was nearby with her family (husband and son, both called Herbert), I think all his family were with him.

RCLP-L, in his testament, says that his grandparents separated in 1869.  Possible but he also said that the Royal Licence for the name change was in 1869 which is incorrect, it was 18th February 1863.  Personally I reckon the separation has to have been around 1863.

During all this Ann Phyllis called herself, and was called by him, Ann Phyllis Powys.  It sounds as if he changed his name when they separated, or possibly when he got the Royal Licence; I am increasingly certain he changed his surname precisely to disassociate himself from Ann Phyllis..  He was certainly known in the last 10 years of his life as "Mr Lybbe"; in the copy of his will and the four codicils, there was no hyphen before the Lybbe.  He also appears as Mr Lybbe in the 1873 registers of owners of Land for Middx, Oxon and Berks.
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Palmers Index to The Times reports these cases, which must be him:
on 21 Mar 1883 CIVIL ACTIONS Lybbe v . Hart p.4, col. a
on 26 Nov 1883 CIVIL ACTIONS Lybbe v . Hart p.3, col. e
on 25 Jan 1885  CIVIL ACTIONS Lybbe v . Hart p.3, col. d
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TFPL: Dec 2001: The wording of the RL is:
"... the petitioner most humbly prays Our Royal Licence and Authority that he and his issue may take and henceforth use the surname of Lybbe in addition to and after that of Powys. ... We ... have granted ... that he and his issue may take and henceforth use the surname of Lybbe in addition to and after that of Powys..."
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TFPL, May 2002: In the 1861 the family was living at St Thomas' Cowes and the household was listed as:

Parish of Whippingham, St Thomas's House
Name and Surname  Relation to Head  Condition  Age M Age F  Rank, etc Where born
Philip Lybbe POWYS,  Head,  Marr, 42,  ,  M. P. Land proprietor,  Middlesex Southgate.
Annie P POWYS, Wife, Marr, , 35, , Berks Wallingford
Philip B L POWYS, Son, , 12, , Scholar, Middlesex, St Johns Paddington
Julia E POWYS, Daur, , , 10, Scholar, Berks Tilehurst
Edith M POWYS, Daur, , , 7, Scholar, Middlesex St John Paddington
William R L POWYS, Son, , 4, , Hants, Bournemouth
Mary A EVANS [?], Serv, Un, , 48, Nurse, Middlesex London
Henrietta PARSONS, Serv, Un, , 45, Lady's Maid, Berks Reading
Elizabeth Corbin, Serv, Un, , 34, Cook, Wiltshire, Taunton [?]
Jane Swetland, Serv, Un, , 28, Housemaid, Dorset, Kinson [?]
Helen Pierce, Serv. Un, 24, Under Nurse, Berks Roundbury
Cornelius Downe, Serv, Marr, 26, , Footman. Hants Northwood
Ellen Taylor, Serv, Un, , 18, Scullaery Maid, Hants Burley.

The next entry on the census was "The Lodge" where a butler, his wife and two young daughters lived; not sure if this was part of St Thomas's.  Similarly for "Hatwoods" after that where there was a garden labourer and his wife.

In the 1851 census, Jane E Barrington lived at St Thomas's.

In the 1871 census, Mary Evans and Ellen Taylor were both still at St Thomas's, on their own.
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I have a printed copy of the The Royal Yacht Squadron List of August 1861 in which there is the following member with his yacht:
No 165 ... Powys, Lybbe Esq., M.P. ... Anaconda ... sch. ... 101 tons... Cowes

There were 204 members in the list, the later ones all with yachts, the earlier one (ie older) only half had yachts.
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2004 and 2005, TFPL: In October 1862, there was a striking series of events, starting with an as yet unseen article by PLPL in the Standard newspaper,  This provoked a reply from, apparently, a pupil at Eton, on the 21st October 1862:

TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES
Sir,--Having lately read, in the columns of the Standard, a most savage and unprovoked attacked upon the masters of Eton College, made by Mr Philip Lybbe Powys M.P. for newport, which would seem at first sight to bring down great discredit upon them, I think it is but right for me, being, as I am, an Etonian, to repudiate the charges brought against them, which I consider to be not only unfounded but simply untrue.  What Mr Powys means by saying that the school is in a "pretty fix at present" it is hard to conceive.  The school is at present in a most flourishing condition and as free from bullying propensities as any school in the kingdom, its excellent condition is mainly attributable to the excellent management of the head master and tutors, who have always most assiduaously put a stop to every kind of bullying and oppression, and I may candidly state that during the six years during which I have been at Eton there has been but one single case of real hard bullying, and I need scarcely aadd that it was most promptly and severely punished.  I happen to be acquainted with the circumstances of Mr Powys' sons's case, and I can safely assert that he was not bullied at all, and the house in which he was is one of the best conducted in College.  But if he expected to be fondled and pampered at Eton as he probably was at home, it woul have been far better for him had he remained at home in the nursery, for which he was far more fit that for a public school.
I am, Sir, yours &c.,
Eton College, Oct 19.          ETONIENSIS
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On 23rd October 1862 PLPL replied to the Times:

"Sir, - I have just read the letter signed "Etonensis" in your journal of to-day. reflecting on a letter of mine which appeared in the Standard, and request you to insert in your next impression, this the sole answer I shall give to any correspondents, either with or without names, on this subject.

"Had I been pleased I should have given the names of the boys who bullied my son, and of the tutor from whose house I removed him.

"Is striking a boy on his head when lying sick on his bed with measles bullying or not?  Are daily - nay hourly, acts of beating abd kicking acts of bullying or not? ; For the sake of the boys' parents I refrained from giving names.

"I can and will prove evey iota of my statement before the Royal Commission, perhaps in the conviction of your correspondent (he might as well have given his name), who may live in Eton, but I am confident was never either a Colleger or an Oppidan at Eton,

"    I am, Sir, yours obediently
PHILIP LYBBE POWYS, M.P.
Bellevue Hotle, Bournemouth, Oct 21.

"*** The writer of this silly letter may rest assured that our correspondent is a gentleman now being eduated at Eton College."
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Finally on October 25th 1862 The Times published a second, replying letter from Eton:

TO THE EDITOR OF THE TIMES
Sir,--I do not, it is true, board at the same house as did Mr Powys's son, neither did I see much of him while he was at Eton.  I am, however, perfectly acquainted with the circumstances which led to his removal from the school.
Mr Powys writes,--"Is striking a boy on the head when lying sick on his bed with measles bullying or not?  Are daily and hourly acts of beating and kicking acts of bullying or not!"
These questions I conceive to be made out of harmless curiosity, so I will content myself with saying in answer that the actions alluded to can be classed under the head of bullying, and oppression of a kind to which no Etonian in my recollection ever had to submit.
If my conception, however, be a false one, and if Mr Powys believes that his son was hit while ill in bed, and had to suffer hourly beatings and kickings, he is most grievously mistaken.  His son had to put up with no more rough usage than any other boy in the school.  In conclusion, I should be inclined to think, judging from the style of Mr. Powys's letters, that if he was ever at Eton himself, either as Colleger or Oppidan, he certainly never got higher in the school than the fourth form.
Eton College, Oct 23.           ETONIENSIS.
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The above response of the Editor may indicate a similar response from his wider  acquaintances.  If so this may just have demoralised him, leading to the change of name within four months, and which change must have been initiated very soon after this letter, the desertion of his wife and the setting up home with a lady who may well have been able to give him devoted attention.  I wonder...

(Philip Barrington Powys, the son concerned was about 14 years old at the time of this incident.  I do not know any more about him between then and his death from rheumatism and heart problems at the early age of 20.)

PLPL did submit evidence to the Clarendon Royal Commission on Public Schools, which sat from 1861 to, c. 1864 and published in 1864.  A copy of the report, in 4 volumes, is in the British Library with the System Number of 0011185226. (To be followed up.)
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On PLPL's death certificate, he was " Philip Lybbe Powys Lybbe" [each name on a separate line), 78 [sic], and a landed proprietor.  He died of Acute Erythemia (who?) and senile decay.  The informant was Mabel A Powys, niece, who was present at the death and of 306 Bath Street, Glasgow. (presumably Mabel Alice, dau. of William Cunliffe his half-brother, and who was to marry Dr George Ritchie Thomson a fortnight later and I wonder if there was any connection between her name and that of his and Fanny's second daughter Mabel?).
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TFPL, December 2004: I have at last found where he and Fanny were on census day 1871.  They had left behind their two daughters at Tregunter Road, where the enumerator then recorded no head of house.  The parents were at Brighton, in what looks to have been an hotel and were recorded as "head" and "wife" with the names "Philip P Lybbe" and Fanny Lybbe".  He was 51 (recte, 52), born in Edmonton, Middlesex, and she 40 (recte, nearer 35), born in Rugby, Warwicks.

Thanks to Ancestry.com for indexing the whole of the 1871 census, enabling me to find them.
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