Arbre généalogique Homs » Rothilde / Rothaut of the Franks (± 852-912)

Données personnelles Rothilde / Rothaut of the Franks 

• Autre nom: Roheut of France
• Elle est née environ 871 TO ABT 852 dans Metz, Moselle, Lorraine, France.
• Profession: .

  {geni:job_title} Abbesse

• Elle est décédée le 22 MAR 927 TO ABT 912 dans Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, FranceChelles.
• Un enfant de Charles roi des Francs roi des Francs et Richildis de Metz
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 8 mars 2012.

Famille de Rothilde / Rothaut of the Franks

Elle est mariée avec Hugues de Bourges.

Ils se sont mariés environ 890 TO ABT 917 à .

Enfant(s):

1. Richilde de Bourges  ± 886-± 946 

Notes par Rothilde / Rothaut of the Franks

Name Prefix: Princess Name Suffix: Of France

Name Suffix: Of The Franks

Name Prefix: Princess

Name Prefix: Princess Name Suffix: Of France

Name Prefix: Princess

III-8 (II-3-8)
2) 10 Rothilde de France
Died circa 22 March 928
Married circa 890
Rotger, Comte de Maine
Died before 31 October 900
Children, Generation IV-12

Rootsweb Feldman
URL: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3044567&id=I16582
# ID: I16582
# Name: Count Of Bourges HUGH II 1 2
# Sex: M
# Birth: 862 1 2
# Death: 892 1 2
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 2
# Note:

[Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED]

2 SOUR S332582
3 DATA
4 TEXT Date of Import: 14 Jan 2004

Father: Stephen Ct of BOURGES b: ABT 830 in FRANCE
Mother: RAINARD b: ABT 835

Marriage 1 Rothaut Princess of FRANCE b: ABT 871

* Married: 890 1 2

Children

1. Has Children Richilde DE BOURGES b: 892

Sources:

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2. Title: Joanne's Tree.1 GED.GED
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Rothilde (fille de Charles le Chauve)
Rothilde (Rothildis), née vers 871, morte en 928 ou en 929, était fille fille de Charles le Chauve et de sa deuxième épouse Richilde.
Des généalogistes lui ont attribué à tort un premier époux, Hugues (? 892), comte de Bourges, qui est en fait l'oncle de de son époux Roger. Rothilde épousa vers 890 le comte [Roger du Maine]] (? 900) et donna naissance à :
· Hugues Ier (? 939/955), comte du Maine
· un fille, mariée vers 914 à Hugues le Grand, duc de France.
· peut-être une fille, nommée Rothildis, qui fut abbesse de Bouxières de 937 à 965.
Veuve elle prit le voile et devint abbesse de Chelles. En 922, Charles le Simple lui retira ce bénéfice pour le donner à son favori Haganon. Jamais un roi n'avait auparavant privé un de ses fidèle de ses honneurs, sauf en cas de trahison, et l'outrage rejaillit sur l'entourage de Rotilde, notamment son fils et son gendre, les poussant à la révolte, qui finit par placer Robert Ier, le père d'Hugues le Grand, sur le trône.

[Alan B. Wilson, soc. gene.med, Nov 12 '96, uclink2.berkeley.edu>] : ... In an article dated 11 Nov, James A.
Stevens says: 'I have experienced some difficulty with the genealogy of
Marie of Champaign/ Blois =8A'
I cannot resist (though I probably should) the temptation to extend the
line of Marie of Champagne somewhat farther than may be called for in
each direction: from Charlemagne to immigrants to New England.
1. Charlemagne King (2 Apr 747 - 28 Jan 814) & Hildegard of Linzgau
Countess (758 - 30 Apr 783).
2. Louis I 'the Pious' of Aquitaine King (Aug 778 - 20 Jun 840) Judith
of Bavaria (Circa 800 - 19 Apr 843).
3. Charles II 'the Bald' of France King (13 Jun 823 - 6 Oct 877) &
Richaut of Metz ( - 910/914).
4. Rothaut of France Princess (Circa 871 - ) & Hugh of Bourges Count
(862 - 892).
5. Richilde of Bourges (892 - ) & Theobald of Blois Count (Circa 885 -
Circa 950).
6. Theobald of Blois Count (Circa 915 - 16 Jan 975), & Legarde de
VERMANDOIS (915/920 - 9 Feb 978).
7. Eudes I of Blois Count (Circa 950 - 12 Mar 995/996) & Bertha of
Burgundy Princess (Circa 0967 - Circa 1016).
8. Eudes II of Blois Count (Circa 990 - 15 Nov 1037) & Ermengarde of
AUVERGNE (About 995 - Circa 1042).
9. Theobald III (I) of Blois Count (Before 1012 - Sep 1089) &
Gundrada. 10. Stephen Henry Count of Blois (1046 - 27 May 1102) & Adela
of England Princess (About 1062 - 8 Mar 1137/1138).
11. Theobald IV (II) 'the Great' de Blois Count (1093 - 8 Oct 1152) &
Mahaud \ Mathilda von Sponheim (Circa 1107 - 13 Dec 1160).
12. Marie de Champagne (Circa 1129 - 7 Aug 1190) & Eudes II de Burgundy
Duke (Circa 1118 - 27 Sep 1162).
13. Hugh III of Burgundy Duke (Circa 1148 - 25 Aug 1192) & Beatrice de
Viennois (Circa 1162 - 16 Dec 1228).
14. Anne (Marguerite) of Burgundy (Circa 1192 - 1242) & Amadeus IV of
Savoy Count (1197 - 24 Jun 1253).
15. Beatrice of Savoy (Circa 1224 - 10 May 1259) & Manfredo III de
SALUZZO Marquis (About 1220 - 29 Oct 1244).
16. Thomas of SALUZZO (Circa 1244 - 1296) & Leugia de CEVA (Circa 1245
- 1299).
17. Alisona of SALUZZA (Circa 1271 - 25 Sep 1292) & Richard FitzALAN
Earl of Arundel (3 Feb 1267 - 9 Mar 1301/1302).
18. Eleonor FitzALAN (Circa 1272 - 1328) & Henry PERCY (Circa 25 Mar -
Oct 1314).
19. Henry PERCY (6 Feb 1301 - Feb 1351/1352) & Idonea CLIFFORD (Circa
1303 - 24 Aug 1365).
20. Isabel de PERCY ( - Before 25 May 1368) & William de ATON Lord
(Circa 1299 - Mar 1388/1389).
21. Catherine de ATON & Ralph de EURE Sir ( - 10 Mar 1492). 22.
Catherine EURE ( - Before 31 Aug 1459) & Alexander NEVILLE ( - 1457)
23. William NEVILLE Sir (Circa 1425/1426 - ) & Joan. 24. William NEVILLE
(Circa 1450 - ) & Joan BOYNTON. 25. Ralph NEVILLE Sir ( - 1522) & Ann
WARD (Circa 1480 - ). 26. Katherine NEVILLE (1492 - ) & Walter
STRICKLAND Sir (1497 - 9 Jan 1527/1528).
27. Walter Charles STRICKLAND (5 Apr 1516 - 8 Apr 1569) & Margaret
HAMERTON.
28. Ellen STRICKLAND (Circa 1550 - After 1623) & John CARLETON
(1550/1555 - Jan 1622).
References: Weis, Ancestral Roots: 148 (gen. 1-3), 49 (gen.
3-6), 136 (gen. 6-8), 137 (gen. 8-11), 28 (gen. 14-17), 161 (gen.
17-19), 206 (gen. 19-21), 204 (gen. 21-25), 2 (gen 25-28). Weis
lists the wife of Theobald III (generation 9) as Alix de Crepi. This
was questioned some time ago by Todd Farmerie. Europaische Stammtafeln
[ES] ii, 46, lists three wives for Theobald III: (1) Gersende of
Main, renounced 1048; (2) Gundrada; and (3) Adela (Alix) de Crepy. ES
lists Stephen Henry as son of the second wife. Weis does not seem to
include generations 12 and 13; they are included in ES, below.
Europaische Stamtafeln, vol ii: 46 (gen. 5-11), 47 (gen. 11-12), 20
(gen. 12-14), 190 (gen. 14-15). Moriarty,The Plantagenet
Ancestry: 36 (gen. 5-7), 117 (gen. 7-12), 153 (gen. 12).
Winkhaus, Ahnen zu Karl dem Grossen und Widukind: 42-43 (gen. 5-12),
51-52 (gen. 12-13). Stuart, Royalty for Commoners: 179 (1-3),
133 (3-11).
Generations 6-12, as listed above, seem to correspond fairly closely to
Stevens's report of the line based on Allstrom's 'Dictionary of Royal
Lineage.' The second line listed by Stevens seems to be mixed up. For
example, I believe Theobald II and Eudes II are brothersboth sons of
Eudes I. //

#Générale##Générale#Probable. Mais Pierre Riché pense qu'elle est plutôt lafille de lapremière épouse de son père, Ermentrude.
Profession : Abbesse à l'Abbaye de Chelles.

#Générale#de Neustrie

{geni:occupation} Countess of Bourges & of Maine, Princess of France

{geni:about_me} PLEASE NOTE: Rothilde (Roheut, etc) is NOT the same daughter as Rotrude. Many people are trying to merge the two. However, they had different lives and they had different mothers.

Charles the Bald, with wife Ermentrude:

* Rotrud (852–912), a nun, Abbess of Saint-Radegunde

Charles the Bald, with wife Richilde:

* Rothild (871–929), married firstly with Hugues, Count of Bourges and secondly with Roger, Count of Maine

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Stewart Baldwin of THe Henry Project has this to say about Rothilde (aka Roheut, Reheut, Rotheut, etc.)

from http://sbaldw.home.mindspring.com/hproject/prov/rothi000.htm

Rothilde

Wife of Roger, count of Maine.

Abbess of Chelles

Rothilde appears in a document of king Charles the Simple dated 31 October 900, in which she is called the mother of count Hughes (evidently of of Maine), consanguineus of Charles ["... adeuntes nostrae dignitatis excellentiam dulcissima genitrix nostra Adeleidis et dilectus comes Hugo consanguineus ... in comitatu quoque Coenomannico Nunniagum villam, quam dedit Hugo comes et mater sua Rodhildis sancto Ebrulfo, in vicaria Gaviacense cum omnibus apendiciis." Werner (1958), 281-2, n. 128, citing Lauer, Recueil des actes de Charles le Simple, 75ff. (#35), which is not easily available to me; see also Werner (1967), 423]. In 922, the abbey of Chelles was taken from her and given to Hagano, favorite of her nephew Charles the Simple ["... Quo cum eisdem super Axonam in pagum Laudunensem profecto propter praedictum Haganonem, cui rex abbatiam Rothildis, amitae suae, socrus autem Hugonis, dederat, nomine Calam, Karolus cum Heriberto et Haganone clam Laudunum egressus, ob Haganonis amorem, hujus causa timoris trans Mosam profectus est." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 922, 8 (see below)]. The standard outline of her family depends on the identification of the Rodhildis of 900, mother of a consanguineus of Charles the Simple, with the Rothildis of 922, amita of Charles. Although this identity is not directly documented, it is highly probable. See Werner's detailed discussion of Rothilde [Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)].

Date of birth: Unknown.

Place of birth: Unknown.

Date of death: Not long before 929.

Flodoard refers to her as recently deceased in the first entry of his annals for 929 ["Heribertus et Hugo comites contra Bosonem, Rodulfi regis fratrem, profiscuntur, propter quisdam Rothildis alodes nuper defunctae, quos a Bosone pervasos repetebat Hugo, gener ipsius Rothildis." Flodoard, Annales, s.a. 929, 44]. Some sources [e.g., the original version of this page; Auguste Longnon, in the preface to Obit. Sens, 1 (pt. 1): xx-xxi; Werner (1967), 428] have erroneously assigned her a death date of 22 March based on several necrologies, but those entries refer to another Rothilde, daughter of Charlemagne, and not to the present Rothilde. [This error was pointed out by Peter Stewart.]

Place of death: Unknown.

Father: Charles the Bald, d. 877, king of the Western Franks, Emperor.

As indicated above, Rothilde is called an amita of Charles the Simple by Flodoard. Since the name Rothilde is known among the Carolingians, the usual interpretation of the word amita as "paternal aunt" is probably correct.

Mother: Richilde, living 910, daughter of count Bivin.

Her mother is not explicitly identified, but chronology would seem to make her more likely as a daughter of Richilde. [see Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]

Spouse: Roger, d. before 31 October 900, count of Maine.

For the documentation of Rothilde's son Hugues as a son of count Roger of Maine, see the page of Hugues I.

Children:

MALE Hugues I, d. after 26 March 931, count of Maine.

[Latouche (1910), 16, n. 1; Werner (1967), 422-8 (Excurs I)]

FEMALE NN, m. Hugues le Grand, duke of France.

As indicated above, Flodoard refers to Rothilde as socrus of Hugues, and to Hugues as gener of Rothilde.

Commentary

Falsely attributed husband: Hugues, count of Bourges.

Conjectured daughter (unproven): Richilde, m. Thibaud, viscount of Tours (parents of Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois).

Based on the fact that Thibaud le Tricheur, count of Blois, had a mother named Richilde and a brother named Richard, Depoin assumed that Richilde was of the same family as Charles the Bald's second wife, the empress Richilde, who had a brother named Richard [Depoin (1908), 587-592]. He conjectured that the younger Richilde was a granddaughter of the empress Richilde, and that the intervening generation was the present Rothilde. At that time, Depoin was unaware that the Hugues of the 900 document was a count of Maine, son of Roger, and he conjectured that Hugues was son of another Hugues, count of Bourges. Although this conjectured husband of Rothilde can now be dismissed, it does not affect the onomastic argument which would make the younger Richilde a possible relative of the empress Richilde, so it remains possible (but still unproven) that the younger Richilde was a daughter of Roger and Rothilde. This connection has recently been accepted by Keats-Rohan [Keats-Rohan (1997), 194 (with a vague citation to Depoin); Keats-Rohan (2000), 65].

Bibliography

Depoin (1908) = Joseph Depoin, "Études préparatoires à l'histoire des familles palatines. III Thibaud le Tricheur - fut-il bâtard et mourut-il presque centenaire?" Revue des études historiques 74 (1908), 553-602.

Flodoard, Annales = Ph. Lauer, ed., Les Annales de Flodoard (Paris, 1905).

Keats-Rohan (1997) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, "'Un vassal sans histoire'?: Count Hugh II (c.940/955-992) and the origins of Angevin overlordship in Maine", in K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, ed., Family Trees and the Roots of Politics (Woodbridge, Suffolk, 1997): 189-210.

Keats-Rohan (2000) = K. S. B. Keats-Rohan, " 'Bilichildis' Problèmes et possibilités d'une étude de l'onomastique et de la parenté de la France du nord-ouest", in Keats-Rohan & Settipani, eds., Onomastique et Parenté dans l'Occident médiéval (Oxford, 2000), 57-68.

Latouche (1910) = Robert Latouche, Histoire du comté du Maine (Paris, 1910).

Obit. Sens = Obituaires de la Province de Sens (2 vols. in 3, Paris, 1902-6).

Werner (1958) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Untersuchungen zur Frühzeit des französischen Fürstentums (9.-10. Jahrhundert)", Die Welt als Geschichte 18 (1958): 256-289.

Werner (1967) = Karl Ferdinand Werner, "Die Nachkommen Karls des Großen bis um das Jahr 1000 (1.-8. Generation)", Karl der Große 4 (1967): 403-483.

Compiled by Stewart Baldwin

Uploaded 10 January 2008.

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Rothilde Carolingian Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree Click to view Rothilde Carolingian in the family tree in SVG format

Rothilde was born in year 0871 in Frankfort-am-Main, Germany.1

o Birth Notes

+ B: Abt. 871

Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She was the youngest of two children. She had a brother named Reheut. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde. She died, at the age of 56 years, on March 22nd, 0927.1

o Death Notes

+ D: 22 Mar 0927/28

Rothilde's family with Hugh II d' Alsace

They had a daughter named Richilde.

Female Richilde De Bourges

Richilde was born in year 0891 in Brouges, Alsace.2

+ Birth Notes

# B: Abt. 891

1 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I77032&style=TABLE

2 http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=tjglad&id=I69381&style=TABLE

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Rothilde Abbess of Chelles [Parents] 1, 2, 3 was born 871 in Paris, Ile-de-France, France. She died 22 Mar 928 in Chelles, Seine-et-Marne, France. Rothilde married Rodgar de MAINE Count of Maine on 890 in , Maine, France.

They had the following children:

M i Hugh I de MAINE Count of Maine was born 891 and died 931.

F ii Richilde de MAINE was born 893.

F iii Judith de MAINE was born 898 and died 925.
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Rothilde's father was Charles II (the Bald) Roman and her mother was Richaut Metz. Her paternal grandparents were Emperor Louis I (The Pious) Roman and Judith Bavaria; her maternal grandparents were Count of Autun and Metz Budwin de Autun & Metz and Richilde Of Arles. She had a brother named Reheut. She was the younger of the two children. She had a half-brother and four half-sisters, named Louis II (The Stammerer), Judith, Rothildis, Hersent and Godehilde
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Rothildis des Francs Occidental died between 928 and 929.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p318.htm#i7563 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )

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