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Données personnelles Rotrude /Caroling "Chrodtrudh" ien daughter of Charlemagne & Hildegard 

• Le surnom est Chrodtrudh.
• Elle est née environ 775 TO ABT 768 dans Aachen, Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany.
• Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 14 avril 1928 dans Mesa Arizona Temple, Mesa, Maricopa, Arizona, Verenigde Staten.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 14 avril 1928.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 14 avril 1928.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 14 avril 1928.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 10 octobre 1941.
• Professions:
• dans Faremoutiers, Île-de-France, France.
• dans Faremoutiers, A#le-de-France, France.
• dans Abbess of Faremoutiers.
• Elle est décédée le 6 juin 810 dans Comté du Maine, Neustria (Present France), Frankish EmpireNeustria (Present France).
• Un enfant de Charles / Carolus Magnus / Karl der Große Emperor of the West et Hildegard von Vinzgau
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 31 décembre 2011.

Famille de Rotrude /Caroling "Chrodtrudh" ien daughter of Charlemagne & Hildegard

Elle avait une relation avec Roricon I partner of Rotrude Caroling/ian & father of Roricon II du Maine.

Enfant(s):

1. Roricon II Roricon av Maine  ± 810-± 866 
2. Rotrudis du Maine  ± 805-± 860 

Notes par Rotrude /Caroling "Chrodtrudh" ien daughter of Charlemagne & Hildegard

REFERENCE: 1962

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Facts about this person:

Fact 1
Abbess of Faremoutiers

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Father: Gui GUIDO , Count Of Hornbach b: 753

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

1. Has Children Lambert II DE NANTES b: 795

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Research by Ron Myers copyright 1999, 2000, all rights rese rved. This information is provided for private personal us e only.

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PLAC Count de Hornbach

OCCU Ct. of Hornbach

OCCU Count of Hornbach ...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 149, 194, 235, 238 says BEF 761;
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart says liv 760-783
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Lord of Hornbach; liv 760-783 - Royalty for Commoners,Roderick W. Stuart,p149;
Count and Lord of Hornbach, 760-c783 - p. 194, 235, 238

Father: Gui DE TREVES b: ABT 695 in France

Marriage 1 Spouse Unknown

Children

1. Has Children Gui GUIDO , Count Of Hornbach b: 753
2. Has Children Waldrat VON HORNBACH b: ABT 765
3. Has Children Guiboar VON HORNBACH b: 785
4. Has No Children Lord Of Hornbach WERNER b: 787 in Aachen, Prussia

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!Name is; Rotrud, Princess Of The /HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE/

Rotrude (v.775-? 6 juin 810). Fille de Charlemagne et de Hildegarde de Vintzgau (cf. Agilolfing), promise à Constantin VI, l'impératrice Irène, mère de Constantin, fit rompre en 788 les fiançailles de son fils.
Devenue libre, Rotrude devint la maîtresse du comte Rorgon Ier du Maine. De cette liaison illégitime naquit un fils Louis, (v. 800 -? 867), qui devint abbé de Saint-Denis et chancelier de Charles le Chauve

#Générale##Générale#vve de Constantin IV de Byzance

{geni:occupation} Abbess of Faremoutiers Princess, abdis van Faremoutiers, (Chrotrudis (Carolingien))(Rotrudis (Carolingien))(Rotrude (Carolingien))(Rotrou (Carolingien))

{geni:about_me} =[http://www.geni.com/projects/Charlemagne-Emperor-of-the-West Rotrude, daughter of Charlemagne & Hildegard ]=

Please see [http://www.geni.com/projects/Charlemagne-Emperor-of-the-West Charlemagne Project] for Source Details

Note: A further debate needs to occur about whether this Rotrude was Abbess of Faremoutiers, or whether that was a half sister by Madelgard, a concubine of Charlemagne. Charles Cawley's Medlands & one of the Wikipedia entries below appears to suggest this, but not indisputably. Sharon Doubell

=From Medlands=
King Charles I & his second wife [Hildegard] had nine children[90]:
[one of whic was] 3. HROTHRUDIS [Rotrud] ([775]-6 Jun 810[105]). Betrothed (781, contract broken 787[119]) to Emperor KONSTANTINOS VI, son of Emperor LEON IV & his wife Eirene (14 Jan 771-Prinkipo Island [15 Aug 797/before 806][120], bur Constantinople, Monastery of St Euphrosyne). Mistress: ([800]) of RORICO [I], son of GAUZLIN & his wife Adeltrudis --- (-after 1 Mar 839 [840], bur Abbaye de Saint-Maur de Glanfeuil, Anjou). He lived at the court of Charlemagne. Comte de Rennes 819. Comte du Maine [832].
[http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192

[King Charles had Rothildis by] Mistress (3): [MADELGARD] ---. Settipani names Madelgardis as the mistress of King Charles, and mother of Rothildis abbess of Faremoutiers[86]. However, he cites no primary source on which this is based, apart from a reference to an early 9th century list of nuns at Faremoutiers which includes the name. No reference has been found to her in any of the sources so far consulted. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192]
Mistress (2):Einhard refers to "Ruodhaidem" as the daughter of King Charles and an unnamed concubine[85]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192]

=From Wikipaedia=
3. His second wife was Hildegard (757 or 758–783), married 771, died 783. By her he had nine children:
- Charles the Younger (ca. 772–4 December 811), Duke of Maine, and crowned King of the Franks on 25 December 800
- Carloman, renamed Pippin (April 777–8 July 810), King of Italy
- Adalhaid (774), who was born whilst her parents were on campaign in Italy. She was sent back to Francia, but died before reaching Lyons
- '''Rotrude (or Hruodrud) (775–6 June 810)'''
- Louis (778–20 June 840), twin of Lothair, King of Aquitaine since 781, crowned Holy Roman Emperor in 813, senior Emperor from 814
- Lothair (778–6 February 779/780), twin of Louis, he died in infancy[37]
- Bertha (779-826)
- Gisela (781-808)
- Hildegarde (782-783)

7. His second known concubine was Madelgard. By her he had:
- Ruodhaid (775–810), abbess of Faremoutiers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne

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Abbess of Faremoutiers Abbey (French: Notre-Dame de Faremoutiers) was founded circa 620 by Burgundofara (Saint Fara). It formed an important link between the Merovingian Frankish Empire and the southern Anglo-Saxon kingdoms of Kent and East Anglia.

The abbey was a dual monastery, that is it had separate accommodations for monks and nuns. It was established following the strict Rule of Saint Columbanus. Originally named Evoriacum, it was renamed in Burgundofara's honour.

The modern village of Faremoutiers grew up around the abbey which was endowed with lands by Saint Fara.

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From the Wikipedia page of Rotrude:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotrude

Rotrude (or sometimes referred to as Hruodrud) (775 - June 6, 810) was the second daughter of Charlemagne from his marriage to Hildegard.

Early life

Few clear records remain of Princess Rotrude's early life. She was educated in the Palace School by Alcuin, who affectionately calls her Columba in his letters to her.[1]

When she was six, her father betrothed her to Constantine VI of Byzantium, whose mother Irene was ruling as regent. The Greeks called her Erythro and sent a scholar monk called Elisaeus to educate her in Greek language and manners.[2]

However, the alliance fell apart by 786 when she was eleven and Constantine's mother, Irene, broke off the engagement in 788.

She then became the mistress of Rorgo of Rennes and had one son with him, Louis, Abbot of Saint-Denis (800–9 January 867). She never married.

Later life

Rotrude eventually became a nun, joining her aunt Gisela, abbess of Chelles. The two women authored a letter to Alcuin of York, who was at Tours at the time, requesting that he write a commentary explaining the Gospel of John.[3] As a result, Alcuin eventually produced his seven-book Commentaria in Johannem Evangelistam, a more accessible companion to the gospel than St. Augustine's massive and challenging Tractates on St. John. Commentators have dated the letter to the spring of 800, four years before Alcuin's death and ten before Rotrude's. [4]

In contemporary views of history, most scholars discriminate between the two phases of Rotrude's life. Political histories of Charlemagne her father discuss her as a princess who was potentially a pawn and a woman of questionable morals [5], while religious histories discuss her as the second nun in the letter from Chelles.

References

1.^ Gaskoin, C. J. B. Alcuin: His Life and His Work. New York: Russell & Russell, 1966

2.^ Runciman, Steven. "The Empress Irene the Athenian." Medieval Women. Ed. Derek Baker. Oxford: Ecclesiastical History Society, 1978.

3.^ "Epistola Christi Familarum Gislae atque Rechtrudae ad Albinum Magistrum." Patrologia Latina 100:738D-740C.

4.^ Ed. Dümmler, Monumenta Germanicae Historica: Epistolae aevi Carolini II, pp 323-325

5.^ rotrud_tochter_karls_des_grossen_+_810

6.^ Commentaria
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=Daughter of Charlemagne's Concubine, Madelgard; Abbess of Faremoutiers=

By Madelgard Charlemagne had:

'''5.1 Ruodhaid (775–810)''', '''Abbess of Faremoutiers''' [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne]
'''ROTHILDIS [Rouhaut] ([784]-24 Mar 852). Abbess at Faremoutiers from before Oct 840[157]. Her parentage is proved by the necrology of the abbey of Saint-Germain-des-Prés which records the death "XI Kal Apr" of "Rothildis abbatisse et monache filia regis magni Karoli"[158]. The necrology of the abbey of Saint-Denis records the death "XI Kal Mar" of "Rotildis abbatissa"[159].
and:
CHROTHAIS '''[Rotaïde] ([784]-after 800, maybe after 814). "Ruodhaidem" is named daughter of King Charles and an unnamed concubine by Einhard[155]. Theodulf's poem Ad Carolum Rege names (in order) "Berta…Chrodtrudh…Gisla…Rothaidh…Hiltrudh, Tetdrada" as daughters of the king[156].''' [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192]

Note: Wikipedia seems possibly to conflate what Charles Cawley sees as 2 mistresses and their respective daughters Ruodhaid / Chrothias / Rotaide / Ruodhaidem / Rothildis / Rouhaut, in a manner that seems worth considering. Although Cawley designates an unknown Mistress 2 before Madelgard - who he sees as Mistress 3, he lists the daughters of both mistresses as being born in 784. Despite this, he specifies that Madelgard’s daughter was Abess of Faremoutiers, - although Wikipedia sees her as being born in 775. The Wikipedia sources for this date weren’t apparent, but Cawley’s use of Theodulf's poem Ad Carolum Rege naming the daughters (supposedly in order) provides another form of data: "Berta…Chrodtrudh…Gisla…Rothaidh…Hiltrudh, Tetdrada" [156] As both Wikipedia & Cawley agree that Gisela was born 781, Hiltrude in 787 & Theodrata 785 (so much for correct order), this places one Rothaide - between 781 & 787,
so I am deferring to Cawley on the date, but going with Wikipedia in conflating the women whose children he has born in the same year, with names that are sufficiently similar as to be synonymous.

Compare:

Cawley: NN Mistress 2's daughter: 784. Ruodhaidem CHROTHAIS [Rotaïde].

Cawley: Madelgard - Mistress 3's daughter: 784. ROTHILDIS [Rouhaut]. Abbess.

Wikipedia: Madelgard's daughter:775.Ruodhaid. Abbess.

Mistress (3): [MADELGARD] ---. Settipani names Madelgardis as the mistress of King Charles, and mother of '''Rothildis abbess of Faremoutiers'''[86]. However, he cites no primary source on which this is based, apart from a reference to an early 9th century list of nuns at Faremoutiers which includes the name. No reference has been found to her in any of the sources so far consulted. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192]

Mistress (2):Einhard refers to '''"Ruodhaidem" as the daughter of King Charles and an unnamed concubine'''[85]. http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CAROLINGIANS.htm#_Toc240955192]

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Alt bith date: 775; Alt death date from merges: 852

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotrude

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