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Données personnelles Gilbert (Giselbert) "Count De Roucy" de Roucy Comte de Roucy, Vicomte de Reims 

• Noms alternatifs: Count Gislbert of Roucy, Gilbert de Roucy
• Le surnom est Count De Roucy.
• Il est né environ 952 TO ABT 956 dans Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France.
• Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 27 janvier 1936.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 12 juin 1992.
• Alternative: Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ le 12 octobre 1994.
• Professions:
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  {geni:job_title} Comte, de Reims, de Roucy, 973, Sieur, de Marle, Vidame, de Reims

• Il est décédé le 29 APR 991 TO ABT 1000 dans Reims, Marne, Champagne, France.
• Il est enterré le 19 avril 990 dans Basilique Saint-Remy, Reims, France.
• Un enfant de renaud 1° conde palatin Of Rheims de Rheims et Alberade (Aubree) de Lorraine
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 31 décembre 2011.

Famille de Gilbert (Giselbert) "Count De Roucy" de Roucy Comte de Roucy, Vicomte de Reims

Il est marié avec NN de Poitiers.

Ils se sont mariés environ 970.

Enfant(s):

1. Ebles I de Reims de Roucy  ± 1012-1033 
2. Judith de Roucy  ± 985-± 1090 

Notes par Gilbert (Giselbert) "Count De Roucy" de Roucy Comte de Roucy, Vicomte de Reims

GIVN Gilbert de
SURN Roucy
AFN FLHB-6M
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:34

GIVN Gilbert de
SURN Roucy
AFN FLHB-6M
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:34

Weis, p. 133 - Count of Roucy

Name Prefix: Count

Name Prefix: Count

Greve av Roucy.

[2478] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 17441692 = 919564, d 999/1000

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# Name: Gilbert Ier DE ROUCY 1 2 3 4
# Sex: M
# Birth: 951 in of, Reims, Marne, France 1 2 3 4
# Death: 19 APR 990 in ,Reims, 51 1 2 3 4
# Burial: 990 Abbey of St. Remi, Rheims, Marne, France 1 2 3 4
# Change Date: 15 JAN 2004 4
# Change Date: 25 NOV 2001 2 3 4
# Note:

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#Générale# Comte de Reims et de Roucy.

OCCU Count of Roucy ...
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 127;
HAWKINS.GED;www.public.asu.edu/bgertz/family ;
gendex.com/users/daver/rigney/D0001 says 956, France
SOUR COMYNI.GED (Compuserve) says ABT 996; www.rootsweb.com/gumby says ABT 985;
AVESNE.TXT (Compuserve) says 991-1000;
Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart, p. 127 says 991/1000
SOUR Royalty for Commoners, Roderick W. Stuart
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S. de Marle, Count de Rouci, Count of Rheims - COMYNI.GED (Compuserve); V. of
Rheims; aquired lordship of Marle ante 956; wife possibly a dau of Aubri [C.
of Macon] (d. ante 984), as her son was named Lietaud, which is distinctive in
this family - AVESNE.TXT (Compuserve)

Father: Renaud DE ROUCY b: 926 in Roucy, Aisne, France Abt 937
Mother: Alberade de LORRAINE b: ABT 930 in of, Lorraine, France

Marriage 1 Miss de AQUITAINE b: ABT 956 in of, Reims, Marne, France

* Married: 972 1 2 3 4

Children

1. Has No Children Yvette DE ROUCY b: ABT 970 in ROUCY, FRANCE
2. Has No Children Nétard Ier Ou Lieutaud DE ROUCY b: 975
3. Has Children Count Of De Roucy EBLES I b: 982 in Montdidier, Somme France
4. Has Children EBLES I, Count Of De Roucy b: 982 in Montdidier, Somme France
5. Has No Children Seigneur Of Marle LIETAUD I b: 985
6. Has Children Judith DE ROUCY b: 990

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GIVN Gilbert de
SURN Roucy
AFN FLHB-6M
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:34

#Générale##Générale#Profession : Comte de Reims et de Roucy.

{geni:occupation} Comte, de Reims, de Roucy, 973, Sieur, de Marle, Vidame, de Reims

{geni:about_me} http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#GiselbertRoucydied9911000B:

'''GISELBERT [de Roucy]''', son of '''RENAUD Comte [de Roucy] & his wife Alberade de Hainaut''' ([948/55]-19 Apr [991/1000], maybe 997, bur Abbaye de Saint-Rémy). The Acta Concilii Remensis ad Sanctum Basolum (dated to 991) quotes Bruno Bishop of Langres referring to "unicum fratrem meum comitem Gislebertum…"[1176]. '''Comte de Roucy. Vicomte de Reims'''. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "XIII Kal Mai" of "Gisbertus comes"[1177].

m --- [de Poitiers]. Père Anselme states that the wife of "Gilbert Comte de Reims et de Roucy…semble avoir été de la maison de Poitiers" and that the couple were parents of Ebles, Liétard and Judith, shown below[1178]. The primary source on which this is based is not known. However, it is doubtful whether it can be correct in all its details. In particular, Judith Ctss de Rethel (alleged daughter of Gislebert & his wife, see below) must have been born in [1020/30] for chronological consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants, which excludes her being Giselbert's daughter. In addition, the origin of the names Ebles, Liétard and Judith is unclear among the family of Giselbert Comte de Roucy. Jean-Noël Mathieu suggests that Giselbert died childless and that the father of these children was Ebles de Poitou, son of Guillaume IV "Fier-à-Bras" Duke of Aquitaine [Guillaume II Comte de Poitou] & his wife Emma de Blois, based partly on onomastics and partly to explain how the territories of Rumigny-en-Porcéan and Coucy (under the suzerainty, respectively, of the abbey of Saint-Nicaise de Reims and the church of Saint-Rémi de Reims, and thereby closely connected with the family of the Comtes de Blois-Champagne) came into the family[1179]. J-N. Mathieu also suggests that the mother of these children was an otherwise unknown daughter of Ermentrude de Roucy, sister of Comte Giselbert, by her first husband Aubry [II] Comte de Macon who, in the ordinary course of events, would have been heiress of Roucy if Giselbert had died childless. The suggestion appears consistent from a chronological point of view. However, more research is needed to establish the original source on which the affiliation from Giselbert is based. Another possibility is that Ebles and Eudes were sons of Giselbert, but that Lietaud and Judith were children born from a second marriage of their mother.

Comte Giselbert & his wife had [four possible children]:

1. EBLES (-11 May 1033). The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio"[1180]. Comte de Roucy 997. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines records the succession in 1023 as archbishop of Reims of "Ebalus qui fuit comes de Roseio"[1181]. Archbishop of Reims 1021. m (divorced before 1021) as her first husband, BEATRIX de Hainaut, daughter of REGINAR IV Comte de Hainaut & his wife Hedwige de France (after [996]-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Beatricem" as daughter of "Rainero comiti de Hainaco" & his wife Hedwige, naming her husband "Ebalus de Roceio"[1182]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis gives more details, naming "Beatricem" daughter of "Hadevidem…comitissam Hainonensium" and specifying that she married "Ebalus de Roceio, cuius frater fuit Lebaldus de Malla et soror Iveta comitissa de Roitest" and later "Manasses cui agnomen Calva-asina"[1183]. She married secondly ([1021]) Manassès de Ramerupt "Calva-asina" [Montdidier]. Comte Ebles & his wife had two children:

>a) ADELAIDE de Roucy ([1015/20]-1062). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Aelidam et Hadewidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife, specifying that "omnes comites de Roceio et de Arceis sive de Ramerupt vel de Brena super Albam" descended from Adelaide[1184]. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem et Hadevidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio " and his wife Beatrix, specifying that "secunda filia…soror…Hadevidis nupsit Helduino comiti de Ramerut[1185]. Her birth date is estimated from her mother's estimated birth date and the fact that Adelaide herself gave birth to her youngest child in [1060]. m HILDUIN [IV] Comte de Montdidier Seigneur de Ramerupt, son of HILDUIN [III] Seigneur de Ramerupt & his wife --- (-1063).

>b) HEDWIGE de Roucy (-1070 or after). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Aelidam et Hadewidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife, specifying that Hedwige married "Godefridus frater episcopi Gerardi Cameracensis"[1186], although the bishop in question was the uncle of Hedwige's husband not his brother. The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem et Hadevidem" as the two daughters of "Ebalus de Roceio" & his wife Beatrix, specifying that Hedwige married "Condefrido de Ruminiaco" by whom she had "filium nomine Nicholaum et filias, quarum una peperit ex Radulfo de Veteri-villa Ebalum de Flurines et Ermentrudem, matrem Guilelmi de Birbais; secunda filia Hadevidis de Rumiaco ex Godefrido de Ranst peperit filios Iohannem et Nicholaum, qui Nicholaus Arnulfum et Godefridum procreavit; tercia filia iam dicte Hadevidis copulate domino de Granci peperit ei Ebalum eiusdem loci dominum"[1187]. m GODEFROI [IV] de Florennes, son of GODEFROI [III] Seigneur de Florennes [Rumigny] & his wife Gisela ---. 1066/78.

2. EUDES "le Fort/fortis" (-27 Aug after 1021). The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "VI Kal Sep" of "Odo fortis frater domini Ebali archiepiscopi"[1188].

3. LETAUD de Marle . The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio"[1189]. m MATHILDE, daughter of ---. "Albericus de Cociaco…cum Adela uxore sua et matre eius Mathilde" granted privileges to the monastery of Nogent-sous-Coucy by charter dated 1059[1190]. Létaud & his wife had one child:
>a) ADA de Marle . The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Letaldus de Marla…filiam nomine Adam" as mother of "Thomam de Marla"[1191]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "filia…Letardi domni de Marla… Ada" as mother of "Thomam de Cocy"[1192]. "Albericus de Cociaco…cum Adela uxore sua et matre eius Mathilde" granted privileges to the monastery of Nogent-sous-Coucy by charter dated 1059[1193], although the primary source which confirms that she was the daughter of Létaud, as well as the same daughter who later married Enguerrand de Coucy, has not yet been identified. Vicomtesse de Coucy. m firstly (divorced 1059) AUBRY [de Beaumont-sur-Oise] Vicomte de Coucy, son of [IVO [II] Comte de Beaumont & his wife Emma ---] (-before 1095). m secondly (repudiated) as his first wife, ENGUERRAND [I] Comte d´Amiens Seigneur de Boves et de Coucy, son of DREUX Seigneur de Boves & his wife --- (-1116).

4. [JUDITH . The Genealogiciæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Lebaldus de Malla et…Iveta comitissa de Retest" as brother and sister of "Ebalus de Roceio" and, in a later passage, "Iuetta soror…Letaldi de Marla" as mother of "Hugonem comitem de Retest"[1194]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "comitissa de Reitest, uxor comitis Manesserii Iutta” as sister of "fratres Ebalus comes de Roceio et Letardus domnus de Marla"[1195]. Hugues de Rethel names his parents Manassès and Judith in a charter dated 1081 for the church of Braux[1196]. However, Judith Ctss de Rethel must have been born in [1020/30] for chronological consistency with the estimated birth dates of her descendants, which excludes her being the daughter of Giselbert Comte de Roucy. It is possible, as suggested above, that she was the uterine half-sister of Ebles Comte de Roucy, born from their mother's second marriage. m MANASSES [III] Comte de Rethel, son of [MANASSES [II] Comte de Rethel & his wife ---] (-1081 or after).

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Gilbert de Roucy was born about 956 in Reims, Marne, France. Gilbert's father was Renaud de Roucy and his mother was Alberade de Lorraine. His maternal grandparents were Gilbert Duke of Lorraine and Gerberge Queen of France. He had a sister named Ermentrude (Irmtrude). He was the older of the two children. He had a half-brother named Rainer II. He died about 985 in Reims, Marne, France. His burial was in Rheims, Marne, France.

http://familytrees.genopro.com/454373/Roelofs/default.htm?page=ROUCY-GilbertDe-I3587.htm
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See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p329.htm#i7075 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Giselbert Comte de Roucy, & Rheims 1 2

Born: ABT 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France 2

Died: AFT 19 APR 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 3 4

Died: 990 5

Father: Renaud I Comte de Roucy, & Rheims b: ABT 925 in Roucy, Marne, Champagne, France

Mother: Alberade (Alverade) de Lorraine b: ABT 930 in Lorraine, France

Marriage 1 __________ de Macon b: ABT 970 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France

Children:

Ebles I Comte de Rheims & Roucy b: 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Lietaud I de Roucy, Seigneur de Marle b: ABT 990 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Judith de Roucy b: BEF 991 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France

Yvette de Roucy b: ABT 992

Sources:

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 103a-23

Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org

Page: Giselbert Comte de Roucy

Title: Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com

Page: Alan B. Wilson, 30 Dec 1998

Text: 19 Apr 991/1000

Title: Leo's Genealogics Website (Leo van de Pas), www.genealogics.org

Page: Giselbert Comte de Roucy

Text: aft. 991

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 151-20

Source: THE RUFUS PARKS PEDIGREE by Brian J.L. Berry.

Page 55 chart: Giselbert, C. of Roucy

!Availability: The libraries of Ken, Karen, Kristen, Kevin, Brian, Amy, Adam and FAL

Ancestral File Number: FLHB-6M

comte de Roucy et comte de Reims

27724524. Grev Giselbert (Gilbert) REINALDSON Roucy was born before 956. (5805) He died after 991.(5806) He was a Greve in Roucy.(5807)

Weis' "Ancestral Roots . . ." (103A:23), (151:20).Stuart's "Royalty For Commoners" (170:33) says he married N.N. de
Poitiers, possibly dau Aubri, Count of Macon (RIN 1392).

SOURCE NOTES:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/edw3chrt.html

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COUNT OF ROUCY

1 NAME Gilbert /De Roucy/ 1 BIRT 2 DATE ABT. 965 2 PLAC Reims, Marne, France 1 DEAT 2 DATE ABT. 985 2 PLAC Reims, Marne, France

from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

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