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Données personnelles Bertha "Bertha of Luni" of the Obertenghi of Milan of Luni 

• Le surnom est Bertha of Luni.
• Elle est née environ 997.
• Profession: duchess of Turin .
• Résidant: Italy.
• Elle est décédée environ 29 décembre 1037.
• Un enfant de Oberto II count of Luni count of Luni et Railinde Ripondo
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 30 avril 2020.

Famille de Bertha "Bertha of Luni" of the Obertenghi of Milan of Luni

Elle est mariée avec Ulric Manfred II of the Arduinici.

Ils se sont mariés environ 1006Turin
Piedmont Italy.

Enfant(s):

1. Immilla degli Arduinici  ± 1020-1078 
2. Adelaide of the Arduinici  1016-1091 
3. Berta di Susa  ± 1017-± 1050 

Notes par Bertha "Bertha of Luni" of the Obertenghi of Milan of Luni

Name Suffix: Of Luguria

Bertha og Olderik solgte 06.07.1021 alle sine besittelser i 14 grevskaper, bl.a. Este,
Ivrea, Torino, Alba og Auriate, for 100.000 pund sølvdinarer til presbytarianen Sigfridus.
Kjøpebrevet må anses å være en ren skinnoverdragelse.
Bertha døde etter 29.12.1037 ifølge et dokument av Konrad II.

#Générale#degli Obertenghi, dite d'Ivrée, de Ligurie orientale

{geni:about_me} -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_of_Milan

-https://web.archive.org/web/20140111021815/http://epistolae.ccnmtl.columbia.edu/woman/130.html#letterslist
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There are 2 distinct pages also on wikipedia, which however report the probability, which we also find on her father's Wiki https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otbert_II,_Margrave_of_Milan :
*half of the languages report the thesis of a single Berta. (the other half don't specify)
*MedLands simply quotes them in place 3) and 6) distinctly without specifications.

'''(it is certainly a beautiful coincidence that [https://www.geni.com/people/Arduino-d-Ivrea-re-d-Italia/6000000008630657317 King Arduin] is forced to abdicate and become a friar in exile in the mountains in 1013... and a sister of the same name from Berta is married in 1014... and Arduino dies in 1015... but what happened to the former Queen? :)'''

'''There is no document in MedLands that contradicts the thesis of a single Berta .. only the date of birth c.997 assigned to Berta(6) by whom or what?''' ''[and the "c." of MedLands are very elastic]''

-http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20ITALY%20900-1100.htm#ObertoIILunidiedafter1013B

>>> Oberto [II] & his wife had six children:

3) BERTA . "Ardoinus…rex" confirmed the rights of the church of Como in the bridges and county of Chiavenna "quæ Hicila filia comitis Ottonis in villa Slopence in pago Ratenzgowe et in comitatu Adalberti comitis habuit" by charter dated 25 Mar 1002 which names "Berta regina nostra coniunx nostrique regni consors"[341]. The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. '''m ARDOINO Marchese d'Ivrea''', son of DADO Marchese d'Ivrea & his wife [Bertrada ---] (-Fruttuaria Abbey 15 Dec 1015). He was crowned ARDOINO King of Italy at Pavia 15 Feb 1002.

6) '''BERTA''' ([997]-[29 Dec 1037/1040]). "Heinricus…imperator" confirmed the property of the abbey of Fruttuaria, referring to property donated by "Manfredus marchio et Berta uxor eius et fratres eiusdem Manfredi, id est Alricus episcopus et Oddo comes, et Ardoinus consobrinus eorum", by charter dated 1014[367]. "Oldericus Maginfredus marchio f. quondam…Maginfredi marchionis et Berta comitissa jugales filia q. Obberti marchionis" sold property "in comitatu Parmensi, Placensiensi, Ticinensi, Tortonensi, Vercellensi, Aquensi, Astensi, Eporediensi, Torinensi, Oradiensi, Albensi, Avigenensi, Aberganensi, Vigintimiliensi" to "Sigifredo presbitero filio q. Adelgisi", with "notitia propinquorum parentum suorum, id est Adalberti marchionis germani sui et Alberti infantis nepotis sui", by charter dated 6 Jun 1021[368]. Her parentage is confirmed by a charter dated 1029 under which "Alricus…Astensis Ecclesiæ Episcopus et Odelricus qui et Magenfridus…Marchio germanus et filii bone memorie itemque Magnifredi…Marchionis, et Berta…Comitissa, jugales, filia quondam Autberti…Marchionis" founded the monastery of Segusini Sancti Justi[369]. She inherited land in the counties of Tortone, Parma and Piacenza[370]. "Odelricus qui et Manfredus marchio f. quondam Manfredi marchionis et Berta comitissa jugales f. quondam Autberti marchionis" granted privileges "in comitatibus Taurinensi, Vercellensi, Iporiensi, Astensi, Albensi, Albiganensi, Vigintimiliensi, Parmensi, Placentinensi, Ticinensi, Aquensi" to the monastery of "S. Mariæ et Ss. Solutoris, Adventoris et Octavii braidam juxta Palatium" by charter dated 1031, signed by "Maginfredi march., Adalberti et Opizzoni utriusque marchionis qui Bertæ germane…Cuniberti et Wilelmi seu marchionis…"[371]. "Chuonradus Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed donations to the monastery of San Giusto at Susa made by "Mainfredus marchio nec non Berta comitissa", by charter dated 29 Dec 1037[372]. "Adaleida f. quondam Maginfredi marchionis et coniux Ermanni ducis et marchionis" donated property "in loco Porciana" to the monastery of San Stefano at Genoa by charter dated 4 Jul [1038], signed by "Bertæ comitissæ…"[373]. "Heinricus…Romanorum imperator augustus" confirmed the possessions of the church at Asti by undated charter placed in the compilation with other charters dated 1091, which notes among others the donations by "marchio Manfredus et Berta comitissa et Alricus episcopus"[374]. '''m ([1014]) MANFREDO UDALRICO Marchese di Susa and Turin''', son of MANFREDO [I] Marchese of Turin & his wife Prangarda di Canossa (992-Turin 29 Oct 1034, bur Turin, cathedral of San Giovanni).

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Ulric Manfred married Bertha (born 997) of the Obertenghi, daughter of Oberto II, in 1014. That year, the Emperor Henry confirmed their joint donation to the abbey of Fruttuaria. On 29 December 1037, the Emperor Conrad confirmed a donation to San Giusto expressly without her. She must therefore have died in the meanwhile. Other than his aforementioned heir, Adelaide, Ulric Manfred had two other daughters:

* Irmgard (also Emilia or Immula; died 28 January 1078), married Otto III, Duke of Swabia

* Bertha (died after 1050), inherited Vasto and Busco, married Otto, Marquis of Liguria (a great-grandson of Aleram) and was the mother of Boniface del Vasto

Notes:

The Obertenghi were a family of Italian nobility descended from Count Obert I of Luni, the first margrave of Milan and Eastern Liguria, a march called the marca Januensis, marca Obertenga or march of Genoa.

Early in 951, Berengar II of Italy finished the reorganisation of the Italian feudal structure begun by his predecessor Hugh. He named three new margraves to three new territories:

* Aleram, Count of Vercelli, he named margrave of Western Liguria: (Vercelli, Monferrato, Ceva, Acqui Terme, Oneglia, Albenga) (marca Aleramica);

* Arduin Glaber was elevated from count to margrave of Turin: (Torino, Ivrea, Maritime Alps, Nizza, Ventimiglia, Sanremo) (the marca Arduinica);

* Obert I margrave of Milan and count of Luni, was given the new marca Obertenga, Milan and Eastern Liguria. Eastern Liguria at this time contained the counties of Genoa, Luni, Tortona, Bobbio, Parma and Piacenza,Modena and Reggio Emilia, Ferrara, Ascoli Piceno.

The Obertenghi margraviate was the source of the fiefs of the Este, Pallavicini, Malaspina, Fieschi, Della Torre, Visconti of Gallura, Parodi, Pinelli, Lupi, Massa, Della Berardenga, Cavalcabò, Adalbertina, etc.

Sources

* Foundation for Medieval Genealogy: Northern Italy, 900–1100.

* Trillmich, Werner. Kaiser Konrad II und seine Zeit.

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The family of Udalrich Manfred MARKGRAFIN and Berta degli OBERTENGHI

[134961] MARKGRAFIN, Udalrich Manfred (..)

* married

OBERTENGHI (degli), Berta (..)

1) Adelheid, married about 1046 Odo de SAVOIE

Bibliographie : Europaische Stammtafeln

http://www.francogene.com/quebec--genealogy/134/134961.php

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Ulric Manfred II of Turin

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ulric Manfred married Bertha (born 997) of the Obertenghi, daughter of Oberto II, in 1014. That year, the Emperor Henry confirmed their joint donation to the abbey of Fruttuaria. On 29 December 1037, the Emperor Conrad confirmed a donation to San Giusto expressly without her. She must therefore have died in the meanwhile. Other than his aforementioned heir, Adelaide, Ulric Manfred had two other daughters:

Irmgard (also Emilia or Immula; died 28 January 1078), married Otto III, Duke of Swabia

Bertha (died after 1050), inherited Vasto and Busco, married Otto, Marquis of Liguria (a great-grandson of Aleram) and was the mother of Boniface del Vasto

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She died after 4 Nov 1037.

They had the following children:

Adelaide von SUSA was born 1018 and died 19 Dec 1091.

Ermengarde von SUSA was born 1020 and died 3 Dec 1077.

Berta von SUSA was born 1022.

Segundo o site Ancestors of Lazurus Long, Ulric Manfred II casou-se com
Bertha De IVREA she was born in 968 in Lombardy, Italy. Parents: Marquis Of Ivrea Adalbert I De IVREA and Princess Of Lorraine GERBERGE.
A wikipédia a coloca como filha de Oberto de Obertengh.

1 NAME Bertha D'Obertini /D'Este/ 1 NAME Bertha of /Este/ 1 BIRT 2 DATE 990 2 PLAC Este, France 1 DEAT 2 DATE 29 DEC 1037 2 PLAC Italy

Ancestral File Number: 9HMB-XH

110898783. Bertha OTBERTSDTR av Este(9822) died after 29 Dec 1037.(9823) Hun og hennes gemal 6.7.1021 selger til prstebyteren Sigfridus alle sine besiddelser i 14 revskaper (bl.a Este, Ivrea, Turin, Alba, Auriate) for 100.000 pund sølvdinarer. Kjøpebrevet må ansee som en ren skinnoverdragelse

from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

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