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Données personnelles Matfrède [III] "Conte del Sacro Palazzo d'Italia - Count of the 'Sacred Place' in Italy. (c.850-d.886)" von Eifelgau Graf von Eifelgau 

• Le surnom est Conte del Sacro Palazzo d'Italia - Count of the 'Sacred Place' in Italy. (c.850-d.886).
• Il est né en l'an 850 dans Duitsland.
• Il est décédé en l'an 883 dans Duitsland, il avait 33 ans.
• Un enfant de Mattfried [II] von Eifelgau et Adelheid von Metz
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 22 janvier 2019.

Famille de Matfrède [III] "Conte del Sacro Palazzo d'Italia - Count of the 'Sacred Place' in Italy. (c.850-d.886)" von Eifelgau Graf von Eifelgau

Il avait une relation avec T (NN) van Neuchâtel.

Enfant(s):

1. Matfrède IV (Manfred VIII) Lombardia  ????-914 
2. Eberhard von Wied  < 878-???? 

Notes par Matfrède [III] "Conte del Sacro Palazzo d'Italia - Count of the 'Sacred Place' in Italy. (c.850-d.886)" von Eifelgau Graf von Eifelgau

[2522] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Wash Ah'tafel) # 558410068 = 29473540

{geni:about_me} ==THE MANFREDINGI==

===== Matfrid III, Graf von Eifelgau, (Matfrid I, von Wied / Widen / Wieden and Manfredo VII conte di Lodi e Milano, Conte del Sacro Palazzo d'Italia - Count of the 'Sacred Place' in Italy. [c.850-d.886] ) - Son of - Matfrid II, (Manfred VI) Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans =====

Manfredo VII conte di Lodi e Milano AKA: Manfredo, Marquis di Lombardia; AKA: Matfried I, Graf von Wied (AKA: Matfrède III, Graf von Eifelgau). Born about 85O in Italy, is presumed to have been at least 15 years of age by the time his son Manfredo was born. Married before 866. He died in 886 in Italy, rather he was beheaded in the year 886 by Lambert.

It took a while and many hours of frustration, prayer and persistence. Many times you want to throw your hands up in the air and just quit but that is when 'Passion' takes over. Genealogy, is mainly a jigsaw puzzle to be solved by logical and deductive reasoning.

After spending the past two weeks cross referencing every suggested, possible and/or logical relation, sifting historical data and crunching all the numbers... It finally became apparent, [http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-II-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000007151257772 Mattfrid II, Graf von Eifelgau-Orleans] was the only logical person to be the father of [http://www.geni.com/people/Matfr%C3%A8de-III-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000003051286591 Mattfrid I, von Wied (Same person as Matfrid III, Graf von Eifelgau)].

[http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-III-Graf-zu-Wied/6000000020802284608 Matfried III, von Wied (Engersgau, 1093-1123)], had, yet another road block, in this line. He ([http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-III-Graf-zu-Wied/6000000020802284608 Matfrid III]) had, from multiple sources, three fathers to chose from: [A] [http://www.geni.com/people/Ruckerus-von-Wied/6000000020814941815 Ruckerus von Wied]; [B] Wigger II von Engersgau; [C] [http://www.geni.com/people/Richwin-IV-Graf-von-Wied/6000000020802709328?through=6000000020814941815 Richwin IV, Graf von Wied].

Having dealt with [http://www.geni.com/people/Ruckerus-von-Wied/6000000020814941815 'Ruckerus'] and deduced that, while he could be father, it was more likely, [http://www.geni.com/people/Richwin-IV-Graf-von-Wied/6000000020802709328?through=6000000020814941815 Richwin IV, Graf von Wied], was his father. Then in the 'Medieval Duitsland: An Encyclopedia' (ref. 2b), it made the claim Mattfried III ( von Wied, also Engersgau ) was the son of Wigger II von Engersgau- to justify the 'Engersgau' surname. It also, 'suggested' (Pg. 824) that 'He' ([http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-III-Graf-zu-Wied/6000000020802284608 Mattfried III]) was related to the [http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-I-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000007151327775 Matfrid's (d'Orleans)] but through a matrilineal line.

This is ruled out, with all the evidence compiled, that it's not only likely but logical that [http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-III-Graf-zu-Wied/6000000020802284608 Mattfried III (von Wied-Engersgau)] was related to the [http://www.geni.com/people/Mattfried-I-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000007151327775 Matfrid's (d'Orleans)] but instead through the patrilineal line.

[http://www.geni.com/people/Matfr%C3%A8de-III-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000003051286591 Matfrid I, von Wied] and [http://www.geni.com/people/Matfr%C3%A8de-III-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000003051286591 Matfrid III von Eifelgau (d'Orleans)] dates are very similar.

Wikapedia states:'' "The third [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matfrid Matfrid], presumed son of the second, was active in the period 867 to 878"''
(ref. 1b)

In the, '[http://books.google.com/books?id=0Sdo1gNF4D8C&pg=PA1497&lpg=PA1497&dq=matfrid+III.+of+orleans&source=bl&ots=XlPqjnOKLf&sig=cfpqg_YVxnqBaFUvTGj-UpQo66A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3uqUej6C9DoiwKGs4DYBQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=matfrid%20III.%20of%20orleans&f=false Medieval Duitsland: An Encyclopedia]', it states: ''"Matfrid III, the son of Matfrid II, flourished 867-878 as a count in Lotharingia and also in Eifelgau. He appears to have property in the part of Lothar II's realm that went to Charles the Bald in 870, probably in the Waberngau and in the Verduner Gau. In 877, with other magnates he was appointed at Queirzy as counselor to Charle's son, as often as he should be in the Meuse region. Matfrid III followed his father as lay abbot St. Vaast, and died about 883." ''
(ref. 2b)

[http://www.geni.com/people/Matfr%C3%A8de-III-Graf-von-Eifelgau/6000000003051286591 Matfrid I, von Wied] is cited to have been born between 850-860 and that he died around 886 that is only a three year difference between both Matfrid's date of death. Neither Matrfrid (in question) has a specific or set date for their death. Due to the lack of information and/or evidence, there's really not a good reason, to believe they are or were different people.

===== (Well, unless your a descendant of the Hapsburg's :P) =====

===== Reference 'Alternative Genealogy' Below =====

===Matfrid I, Matfrid II d'Orleans and Matfrid von Eifelgau (Wied) Descendant Chart ===

1) Famille et pouvoir dans le monde franc (VIIe-Xe siecle): Essai d'anthropologie sociale (Histoire ancienne et medievale) (French Edition)
By Regine Le Jan

===LINK:===

http://books.google.com/books?id=v8vwhSwhWogC&pg=PA444&lpg=PA444&dq=Matfrid+von+Eifel&source=bl&ots=SZxCf1Hm7s&sig=1BxDxTiZOL2vngYLkw_1qTlkDmw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=q3-pUaD2HIrlyAGQ64HABw&ved=0CFwQ6AEwBjgU#v=onepage&q=Matfrid%20von%20Eifel&f=false

2) Matfrid Wikapedia (Reference Matfrid III (d'Orleans) b. - + 883)

===LINK:===
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matfriede

=== Reference Sources ===

1aa) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/93TM-711 : accessed 2013-05-27), entry for Mattfried I von Wied.

=== General Reference Sources ===

1a) Regenten-Tabellen
By Max Wilberg

===LINK:===
http://books.google.com/books?id=WpdDAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA70&lpg=PA70&dq=Matfried+von+wied&source=bl&ots=4HhO--GPl5&sig=5fVCMI8q5lGE4kpRc1gCPxFUY_A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g9SvUZGiLqGDywHBxIDQBA&ved=0CDUQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Matfried%20von%20wied&f=false

2a) Geschichte der gräflichen und fürstlichen Häuser Isenburg, Runkel, Wied ...
By Johann Stephan Reck

===LINK:===
http://books.google.com/books?id=83BQAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA38&lpg=PA38&dq=Matfried+von+wied&source=bl&ots=696-XPsChI&sig=RRcozelQJIiU7_qKU23BE-0au5o&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g9SvUZGiLqGDywHBxIDQBA&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAjgK#v=onepage&q=Matfried%20von%20wied&f=false

3a) Die Grafen von Are, Hochstaden, Nurburg und Neuenare: ein Beitrag zur ...
By Anton Joseph Weidenbach

===LINK:===
http://books.google.com/books?id=s5dAAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=Matfried+von+wied&source=bl&ots=WIDRdimeYp&sig=h-PUHVmpkkXy0JTqVr_Vucx9TSI&hl=en&sa=X&ei=g9SvUZGiLqGDywHBxIDQBA&ved=0CGQQ6AEwCTgK#v=onepage&q=Matfried%20von%20wied&f=false

4a) Urkundenbuch zur Geschichte der, jetzt die Preussischen ..., Volume 2
By Heinrich Beyer

===LINK:===
http://books.google.com/books?id=pe0AAAAAcAAJ&pg=PR70&lpg=PR70&dq=Matfried+von+wied&source=bl&ots=kTwNOcLj7f&sig=3DIsXFkHReyRFR3ohZYchPXf7s0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=KtivUZP4DqaBywGUooGwBQ&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBTgU#v=onepage&q=Matfried%20von%20wied&f=false

5a) Unknown author, Europaische Stammtafeln by Isenburg, chart 116a, Vol. 4.

===LINK:===
http://habitant.org/tools/esnotes.htm

=== Alternative Genealogy ===

===== ( Mattfried I, Graf von Wied - Son of - Mattfried II, Comte d'Orleans - Son of - Mattfried I, Comte d'Orleans ) =====

1b) "Pedigree Resource File", database, FamilySearch (http://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.2.1/3M72-DQH : accessed 2013-05-28), entry for Mattfried I /VonWied/.

2b) Medieval Duitsland: An Encyclopedia
edited by John M. Jeep

===LINK:===
http://books.google.com/books?id=0Sdo1gNF4D8C&pg=PA1497&lpg=PA1497&dq=matfrid+III.+of+orleans&source=bl&ots=XlPqjnOKLf&sig=cfpqg_YVxnqBaFUvTGj-UpQo66A&hl=en&sa=X&ei=V3uqUej6C9DoiwKGs4DYBQ&ved=0CFoQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=matfrid%20III.%20of%20orleans&f=false

3b) Genealogy Online / Stamboom Kyle Wilempse : Wigger Ii von Engersgouw

===LINK:===
http://www.genealogieonline.nl/de/stamboom-kyle-willemse/I15810.php

=== Supplemental Resources ===

1) http://records.ancestry.com/Eberhard_Count_Von_Wied_records.ashx?pid=18301402

2) http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/getperson.php?personID=I76878&tree=00

3) http://www.ourfamilyhistories.org/getperson.php?personID=I120681&tree=00

4) http://www.dr-bernhard-peter.de/Heraldik/seiten/wied.htm

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