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  • Baptisé (à 8 ans ou plus tard) par l'autorité de la prêtrise de l'église SDJ.
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    • Comte, de Vermandois, de Beaune, de Valois.
  • Il est décédé environ 23 février 1080 dans Tarsus, Cilicia, Asia Minor (now Turkey).
  • Un enfant de Eudes de Vermandois et Pavie de Ham
  • Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 26 décembre 2019.

Famille de Herbert IV (vi) "Heribert" de Vermandois comte de Vermandois

Il est marié avec Adelais de Valois et du Vexin.

Ils se sont mariés en l'an 1068 à France.


Enfant(s):

  1. Adèle de Vermandois  1065-1120 


Notes par Herbert IV (vi) "Heribert" de Vermandois comte de Vermandois

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!COUNT OF VERMANOIS[Brøderbund WFT Vol. 2, Ed. 1, Tree #1241, Date of Import: May 8, 1997]

!COUNT OF VERMANOIS
Herbert IV of Vermandois
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois. He was son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

[edit]
Family and children
He was married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube. Their only child was Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois.

Preceded by:
Otto Count of Vermandois
1045–1080 Succeeded by:
Eudes I l'Insensé
[2571] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 4360430

"Our Royal Descent from Alfred 'the Great' ..." in Steve Clare papers, Count Vermandois
Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).
!Title; Herbert V, Count of VERMANDOIS.
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'''Herbert IV (VI) of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois''' (called Herbert IV in Wikipedia and Herbert VI in the FMG MedLands database), was the son of Eudes/Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia)

=Family and children=

He married '''Adele of Valois''', daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had the following children:

'''* Adele of Vermandois''', married to Hugh of Vermandois
* '''Eudes (Odo) "l'Insensé"''' (+ after 1085)

==According to the [http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands FMG Medieval Lands database]==

'''HERIBERT [VI'''] ([1032]-[1080]).
* He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois.
* He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife.
* "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358].

m ([1059 or before]) '''ADELAIS de Valois''', daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077).

* The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
* '''Ctss de Valois'''.
* "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360].

Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) '''EUDES “l’Insensé”''' (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[NOTE- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) '''ADELAIS de Vermandois''' ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]).
* The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363].
* The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364].
* She succeeded her father in [1080] as '''Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy'''.
* m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia.
* m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].

==[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_IV_of_Vermandois Wikipedia on Herbert IV de Vermandois]==

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

=Family and children=

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

1. Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois.
2. Odo, Count of Vermandois (+ after 1085), married to Hedwig. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.

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10. HERBERT (VI) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 1032, d. 1080, m. Adèle (Alix) de Crepy, b. 1032, d. 1118

Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1060

Alice (ou Adele) de Vermandois

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Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy[edit]

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin,
His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

Family[edit]

Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children:
Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1]
Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1]
Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1]
Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1]
Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1]
Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10]
Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_IV,_Count_of_Vermandois
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Herbert IV (VI) of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois (called Herbert IV in Wikipedia and Herbert VI in the FMG MedLands database), was the son of Eudes/Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia)

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had the following children:

* Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois

Eudes (Odo) "l'Insensé" (+ after 1085)
According to the FMG Medieval Lands database

HERIBERT [VI] ([1032]-[1080]).

He succeeded his father in 1045 as Comte de Vermandois.
He succeeded as Comte de Valois in 1077, by right of his wife.
"Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1358].
m ([1059 or before]) ADELAIS de Valois, daughter of RAOUL [III] Comte de Valois, de Crépy et de Vitry & his first wife Aelis de Bar-sur-Aube (-after 1077).

The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam…Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[1359]. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.
Ctss de Valois.
"Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[1360].
Comte Héribert [VI] & his wife had two children:

a) EUDES “l’Insensé” (-after 1085). The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that Eudes was "fatuus et indiscretus" but that his brother-in-law gave him "filiam cuiusdam militis Viromandensis" as a wife[1361]. He was disinherited by his father. m HADWIG, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified.

[NOTE- SEIGNEURS de SAINT-SIMON. The descent of the family of Saint-Simon from Eudes "l'Insensé" de Vermandois was fabricated in the 17th century to flatter Claude Rouvroy de Saint-Simon, favourite of Louis XIII King of France[1362]. On the basis of this genealogy, the senior branch of the family of Rouvroy adopted the name "Saint-Simon de Vermandois".]

b) ADELAIS de Vermandois ([1065]-28 Sep [1120/24]).

The De Genere Comitum Flandrensium, Notæ Parisienses names "Odonem et Adelam sororem" as the two children of "comes Herbertus", specifying that the husband of Adela was "Hugoni le Magne" and referring to her second husband "comes de Claromonte" and specifying that her daughter by the latter married Charles Count of Flanders[1363].
The Genealogiæ Scriptoris Fusniacensis names "Adelidem comitissam Viromandensium, defuncto priore viro, scilicet Hugone Magno" as wife of "comes Rainaldus [de Claromonte]"[1364].
She succeeded her father in [1080] as Ctss de Vermandois, de Valois et de Crépy.
m firstly ([1080]) HUGUES de France, son of HENRI King of France & his second wife Anna Iaroslavna of Kiev (1057-Tarsus in Cilicia 18 Oct 1102, bur Tarsus church of St Paul). Comte de Vermandois et de Valois by right of his wife. Leader of the French contingent in the First Crusade Aug 1096 returning to France after the victory of Antioch 1098 to raise another army. He set out again Mar 1101 but died from wounds received fighting the Greeks at Tarsus in Cilicia.
m secondly (1103) as his first wife, RENAUD de Clermont, son of HUGUES de Clermont [en-Beauvaisis] dit de Mouchy & his wife Marguerite de Roucy [Montdidier] (-before 1162). He took the title Comte after his marriage[1365].
Wikipedia on Herbert IV de Vermandois

Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 – 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

Family and children

He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

1. Adelaide, Countess of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois. 2. Odo, Count of Vermandois (+ after 1085), married to Hedwig. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.

-------------------- 10. HERBERT (VI) DE VERMANDOIS, b. 1032, d. 1080, m. Adèle (Alix) de Crepy, b. 1032, d. 1118

Eudes de Vermandois, b. 1060

Alice (ou Adele) de Vermandois

-------------------- Herbert was the son of Herbert I of Vermandois.[1] He was apparently well aware of his descent from Charlemagne.[2] Herbert inherited the domain of his father and in 907, added to it the Abbey of St. Medard, Soissons. He took the position of Lay abbot entitling him to the income of those estates.[1] His marriage with a daughter of king Robert I of France brought him the County of Meaux.[3]

In 922, when Seulf became Archbishop of Rheims, in an effort to appease Herbert II Seulf solemnly promised him he could nominate his successor.[4] In 923, Count Herbert took the bold step of imprisoning King Charles III, who died still a captive in 929.[a][3] Then, on the death of Seulf in 925, with the help of King Rudolph, he acquired for his second son Hugh (then five years old) the archbishopric of Rheims.[5] Herbert took the additional step of sending emissaries to Rome to Pope John X to gain his approval, which that pope gave in 926.[4] On his election young Hugh was sent to Auxerre to study.[2]

In 926, on the death of Count Roger of Laon, Herbert demanded this countship for Eudes, his eldest son.[6] He took the town in defiance of King Rudolph leading to a clash between the two in 927.[2] Using the threat of releasing King Charles III, who he held captive, Herbert managed to hold the city for four more years.[2] But after the death of Charles in 929, Rudolph again attacked Laon in 931 successfully defeating Herbert.[2] The same year the king entered Rheims and defeated archbishop Hugh, the son of Herbert.[7] Artaud became the new archbishop of Reims.[7] Herbert II then lost, in three years, Vitry, Laon, Château-Thierry, and Soissons.[8] The intervention of his ally, Henry the Fowler, allowed him to restore his domains (except Rheims and Laon) in exchange for his submission to King Rudolph.

Later Herbert allied with Hugh the Great and William Longsword, duke of Normandy against King Louis IV, who allocated the County of Laon to Roger II, the son of Roger I, in 941. Herbert and Hugh the Great took back Rheims and captured Artaud.[9] Hugh, the son of Herbert, was restored as archbishop.[9] Again the mediation of the German King Otto I in Visé, near Liège, in 942 allowed for the normalization of the situation.

Death and legacy[edit]

Herbert II died on 23 February 943 at Saint-Quentin, His vast estates and territories were divided among his sons.[10] Vermandois and Amiens went to the two elder sons while Robert and Herbert, the younger sons, were given the valuable holdings scattered throughout Champagne.[10] On Robert's death his brother's son Herbert III inherited them all. Herbert III's only son Stephen died childless in 1019–20 thus ending the male line of Herbert II.[10]

Family[edit]

Herbert married Adele, daughter of Robert I of France.[11] Together they had the following children: Eudes of Vermandois, Count of Amiens and of Vienne, (c. 910–946)[1] Adalbert I, Count of Vermandois (c. 915–987), married Gerberge of Lorraine[1] Adela of Vermandois (910–960), married 934 Count Arnulf I of Flanders[1] Herbert 'the Old' (c. 910–980), Count of Omois, Meaux and Troyes, and abbot of St. Medard, Soissons, married 951 Eadgifu of Wessex daughter of Edward the Elder King of England and widow of Charles III King of France.[b][1] Robert of Vermandois, Count of Meaux and Châlons († 967)[1] Luitgarde of Vermandois (c. 915-20–978), married 940 William I, Duke of Normandy;[1] married secondly, c. 943–44, Theobald I of Blois[c][12] Their son was Odo I, Count of Blois.[10] Hugh of Vermandois (920–962), Archbishop of Reims[1]

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HUBERT, Count Vermandois and Troyes
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- https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erberto_IV_di_Vermandois
Ancestral File Number: 9G81-VP

HM George I's 17-Great Grandfather.
Lady Diana's 25-Great Grandfather.
PM Churchill's 24-Great Grandfather.
Geo Washington's 19-Great Grandfather.
Fourth Count of Vermandois & Tryoes, France.
All notes of this line;
Ancestral Roots of Sixty Colonists by Frederic Lewis Weis
Eight lines of descent of John Prescot, founder of Lancaster, Mass
by Frederick Lewis Weis
Some Magna Carta Barons and Other royal Linages by Dorothy a. Sherman Lainson;B.A.; M.N.

Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists(7th Ed) by Frederick Lewis Weis, Th.D.; F.A.S.G.

Ancestral Roots of Certain american Colonists, 7th Ed, Weis (line 53)
!Count of Vermandois

!BIRTH: "Royal Ancestors" by Michel Call - Based on Call Family Pedigrees FHL
film 844805 & 844806, Family History Library, Salt Lake City, UT. Copy of
"Royal Ancestors" owned by Lynn Bernhard, Orem, UT.

Data From Lynn Jeffrey Bernhard, 2445 W 450 South #4, Springville UT 84663-4950
email - (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)
Ancestral File Number: 9G81-VP

Ancestral File Number: 9G81-VP

5/11/2001. I am not pursuing these lines further.
Line 2516 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
NAME Herbert V Count Of /VERMANDOIS/
Wikipedia entry
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=cbe0fb3b-e8f5-48c3-883c-a7a22da8a538&tid=8976248&pid=-845748271
_P_CCINFO 2-2438
COUNT OF VERMANDOIS & VEXIN
4th Count de Vermandois and Troye, aka Hubert IV. [BROOKES.GED]

Also have birth as ca 1032 in France. [Betz homepage http://info.lu.farmingdale.edu/~betzja/gene]
Also have birth as 1045.
Vermandois
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=605e088f-edd0-45b3-a5f8-a0bed7a40b3f&tid=10145763&pid=-675636813
Vermandois
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=image&guid=605e088f-edd0-45b3-a5f8-a0bed7a40b3f&tid=10145763&pid=-675636813
Line 2516 from GEDCOM File not recognizable or too long:
NAME Herbert V Count Of /VERMANDOIS/
Irish Pedigrees, Vol. II, p. 47
Herbert IV of Vermandois (1028 - 1080), Count of Vermandois, was the son of Otto of Vermandois and Pavia (or Patia).

Family and children
He married Adele of Valois, daughter of Raoul III of Valois and Adele de Bar-sur-Aube, and had:

Adele of Vermandois, married to Hugh of Vermandois
Eudes (Odo)"l'Insensé" (+ after 1085) oo Hadwige. Later became Lord of Saint-Simon by marriage. The last Carolingian.
Irish Pedigrees, Vol. II, p. 47
Herbert
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=d47f379d-910e-49a9-a3bd-1ad49852d2fb&tid=1173601&pid=-1493736113
He was the fourth Earl of vermandois. Hugh, Isabel's husband inherited the
right to the earldom through her.
Herbert
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=d47f379d-910e-49a9-a3bd-1ad49852d2fb&tid=1173601&pid=-1493736113

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Ancêtres (et descendants) de Herbert IV (vi) de Vermandois

Herbert de Vermandois
????-± 993
Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine
± 960-1035
Évrard II de Ham
± 948-????
Évrard II de Ham
Jehanne de Coucy
975-1031
Pavie de Ham
± 990-1058
Pavie de Ham

Herbert IV (vi) de Vermandois
± 1032-± 1080

Herbert IV (vi) de Vermandois

1068

Adelais de Valois et du Vexin
± 1034-1080

Adèle de Vermandois
1065-1120
Adèle de Vermandois

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