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Données personnelles Sir William [illegitimate] Argentein 

• Il est né environ 1350.
• Il est décédé entre le 22 janvier 1419 et le 8 février 1419.
• Un enfant de John de Argentein et Nn Nn
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 4 décembre 2022.

Famille de Sir William [illegitimate] Argentein

(1) Il est marié avec Isabel Kerdeston.

Ils se sont mariés

Enfant(s):

1. Elizabeth Argentein  ± 1372-1445 
2. John de Argentein  1382-1416 

(2) Il est marié avec Joan Hadley.

Ils se sont mariés apres 1399.

(3) Il est marié avec Margery Parlys.

Ils se sont mariés

Notes par Sir William [illegitimate] Argentein

http://www.historyofparliamentonline.org/volume/1386-1421/member/argentine-sir-william-1350-1419

b.c. 1350,1 illegit. s. of Sir John Argentine† of Halesworth and Great Wymondley. m. (1) c. May 1381, Isabel, da. of Sir William Kerdiston† of Kerdiston, Norf. by his w. Cecily, 2s. (1 d.v.p.); (2) aft. 1399, Joan (d. 21 Mar. 1410), da. and coh. of John Hadley* of London, wid. of Sir William Pecche* of Lullingstone, Kent, 1s. (?d.v.p.); (3) prob. aft. Mar. 1417, Margery (d. 28 Sept. 1427), da. of Ralph Parles* by his 1st w., wid. of John Hervy* of Thurleigh, Beds., ?1da. Kntd. by Jan. 1393.

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http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/families/arg/argbiog.shtml

The wives of William Argentein (d.1419)

Presumably William was married to Isabel, the daughter of William de Kerdeston, soon after his father received licence to entail property on the couple, in May 1381 (Patent Roll). Isabel is mentioned again as 'now the petitioner's wife' in a writ of plenius certiorari in April 1383 (Calendar of Inquisitions Post Mortem) and as William's wife in orders to the escheators of Hertfordshire, Cambridgeshire, Norfolk and Suffolk May 1384 (Close Roll). This is the last definite reference to Isabel, although one pedigree gives the gives the date 'Ao 5 H 4' 1403 or 1404) beneath her name, suggesting she was still alive at that date (Davy). If she were still alive at this date, she must have been the mother of William's son John (who fathered his eldest daughter in 1411). Unfortunately the source for the date is not stated, and it cannot be verified.

Around the same time, William Argentein was acting as a feoffee for the de Kerdeston family. In c.1394 he and Sir John Geneye released the manor of Oby to Cecilia, the widow of Sir William de Kerdeston (Blomefield, vol.11, p.177). In 1402, with Sir Miles Stapleton, he presented to the churches of Repham and Ashby, both in Norfolk, of which the advowsons belonged to the Kerdestons (Blomefield, vol.8, p.245; vol.10, p.95). But obviously, he may have continued to act as a trustee for his wife's family after her death, so these transactions do not prove she was alive at any of these dates.

Isabel certainly died within her husband's lifetime, and he had at least one more wife, for William left a widow Margery at his death in 1419. Indeed, he may have remarried more than once. In Philipot's pedigree, William's son John is given three wives: 'Isabell', 'Jane' and 'Margery d to Wm Calthorpe, Knight'. The final name is correct, but the first suggests that 'Isabell, Jane and Margery' have been transferred from the father to the son. However, Philipot's pedigree is far too unreliable and muddled for us to accept that William had a second wife, Jane, on this evidence alone. Another piece of evidence, a transcript by Cole of an order to give dower in a certain tenement in Newmarket to Margaret the widow of John de Argentein, seems to suggest that William had a wife called Margaret in January 1383. But this seems impossible to reconcile with the references mentioned above, which show Isabel living at least until May 1384. Probably the wife's name has been mistranscribed (the order cannot have been misdated by very much, as John's widow Margaret died in September 1383 - nor is it clear why such an order should be jointly addressed to William and any wife other than Isabel, on whom the Argentein estates had been entailed).

William's last wife, Margery, was identified by Hervey, on the basis of her will, the inscription and heraldry on her monument at Elstow, and the heraldry on John Hervey's monument at Thurleigh. This showed her to be the widow of John Hervey of Thurleigh, and the daughter of Ralph Parlys by his wife, who appears to have been of the family of Talbot of Richard's Castle, in Shropshire.

John Hervey seems to have been still living in 1407, and his monumental brass at Thurleigh can be dated to later than c.1410 on stylistic grounds (Hervey). William Argentein clearly married Margery late in life; certainly too late for her to be the mother of his son John.

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