Family Tree Welborn » Nest Verch verch Rhys (± 1085-± 1136)
Données personnelles Nest Verch verch Rhys
- Elle est née environ 1085 dans Dynevor, Llandyfesisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
- Alternative: Elle est née en l'an 1073 dans Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales.
- Elle est décédée environ 1136 dans Hanging Marsh, Garth, Celyn, Aber Garth Celyn.
- Alternative: Elle est décédée en l'an 1163 dans Pembroke, Pembrokeshire, Wales.
- Un enfant de Rhys ap Tudur (Tewdwr) et Gwladys verch Rhiwallon
- Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 24 février 2021.
Famille de Nest Verch verch Rhys
(1) Elle est mariée avec Gerald Geraldus FitzWalter de Windsor.
Ils se sont mariés.
Enfant(s):
(2) Elle est mariée avec Henry I Beauclerc of England.
Marriage
Date: 1098
Place: Selby, Yorkshire, England
Marriage
Date: 1105
Place: Selby,West Riding,Yorkshire,England
Ils se sont mariés en l'an 1086 à Selby, Yorkshire, England.
Enfant(s):
- Alice Fitzroy of England 1099-1169
Notes par Nest Verch verch Rhys
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Nest verch Rhys is your 24th great grandmother.
You
‰ ᆒ Geneva Allene Welborn (Smith)
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith, R1b1a2a1a1b
her father ·Üí Edgar Jackson Smith
his father ·Üí Joseph Perry Smith
his father ·Üí Mary Smith
his mother ·Üí John Burke
her father ·Üí John Taylor Burke
his father ·Üí William Burke
his father ·Üí John Bourke
his father ·Üí Richard Bourke
his father ·Üí John Bourke
his father ·Üí Honora Bourke
his mother ·Üí Teige MacMurrough Mac Murrough O'Brien, Sherrif
her father ·Üí Eleanor O'Brien,
his mother ·Üí Reverend John fitz Thomas, 12th Knight of Glin
her father ·Üí Thomas fitz Philip, 10th Knight of Glin
his father ·Üí Philip fitz Thomas, 9th Knight of Glin
his father ·Üí Thomas fitz John, 8th Knight of Glin
his father ·Üí Sir John fitz Thomas
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas fitz John
his father ·Üí Sir John fitz John, 1st Knight of Glin
his father ·Üí John FitzGerald, 1st Baron of Desmond
his father ·Üí Thomas FitzGerald
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzMaurice FitzGerald, Baron of Kiltrany
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Lanstephan
his father ·Üí Nest verch Rhys
his mother
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Nest verch Rhys is your 23rd great grandmother.
You
‰ ‰ ᆒ‰ Geneva Allene Welborn (Smith)
your mother‰ ᆒ‰ Henry Loyd Smith, R1b1a2a1a1b
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Edgar Jackson Smith
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Joseph Perry Smith
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Mary Smith
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ John Burke
her father‰ ᆒ‰ John Taylor Burke
his father‰ ᆒ‰ William Burke
his father‰ ᆒ‰ John Bourke
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Richard Bourke
his father‰ ᆒ‰ John Bourke
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Honora Bourke
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Teige MacMurrough Mac Murrough O'Brien, Sherrif
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Eleanor O'Brien,
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Reverend John fitz Thomas, 12th Knight of Glin
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Thomas fitz Philip, 10th Knight of Glin
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Philip fitz Thomas, 9th Knight of Glin
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Thomas fitz John, 8th Knight of Glin
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir John fitz Thomas
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir Thomas fitz John
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir John fitz John, 1st Knight of Glin
his father‰ ᆒ‰ John FitzThomas, 1st Baron Desmond
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Thomas FitzMaurice, Lord of Connello
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Lanstephan
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Nest verch Rhys
his mother
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Nest verch Rhys is your 28th great grandmother.
You‰
‰ ‰ ᆒ‰ Geneva Allene Welborn‰
your mother‰ ᆒ‰ Alice Elmyra Smith‰
her mother‰ ᆒ‰ Nellie Mary Henley‰
her mother‰ ᆒ‰ John Merrit Wooldridge‰
her father‰ ᆒMerritt Wooldridge‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Chesley Wooldridge‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Edward Wooldridge, Jr.‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Mary Wooldridge‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Mary Flournoy‰
her mother‰ ᆒJane Gower‰
her mother‰ ᆒ‰ Marian Hatcher ???‰
her mother‰ ᆒ‰ Capt. Christopher Newport, Admiral of Virginia‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Dorothy Jane Newport‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Alice Hatton‰
her motherᆒ‰ Lawrence Saunders‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Edward Saunders‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Robert Saunders (1445)‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Joan Saunders, Heiress of Beddington‰
his mother‰ ᆒThomas Soldier & Navy Commander For Henry IV and Henry V Carew‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Nicholas de Carew, MP of Beddington Surrey‰
his father‰ ᆒNicholas de Carew, Keeper of the Privy Seal‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir Thomas Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Nicholas de Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir Nicholas de Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒWilliam de Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Nicholas de Carew, of Carews Castle‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ William Fitz Odo de Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Odo de Carew‰
his father‰ ᆒWilliam FitzGerald, Baron of Windsor and Pembroke‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Nest verch Rhys‰
his mother
Nest verch Rhys is your 26th great grandmother.
You
‰ ᆒ Geneva Allene Welborn
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.
her father ·Üí Edith Lucinda Smith
his mother ·Üí William M LEE, Will
her father ·Üí Britton Lee
his father ·Üí William Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Lemuel Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Edward Lee, I
his father ·Üí Mary Lee
his mother ·Üí William Bryan, I
her father ·Üí John Smith Bryan, of Nansemond
his father ·Üí William Bryan
his father ·Üí Sir Francis Bryan, II, Justicar of Ireland
his father ·Üí Lady Joan Fitzgerald, Duchess of Ormond
his mother ·Üí James FitzMaurice Fitzgerald, 10th Earl of Desmond
her father ·Üí Maurice Fitzgerald, 9th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Thomas FitzJames FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Gerald fitz Maurice, 3rd Earl Desmond
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, 1st Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald
his father ·Üí Maud FitzGerald
his mother ·Üí John de Barry
her father ·Üí David de Barry, II
his father ·Üí Sir David de Barry
his father ·Üí Philip de Barry
his father ·Üí Angharad FitzGerald
his mother ·Üí Nest verch Rhys
her mother
Nest verch Rhys is your 24th great grandmother.
You
‰ ᆒ Geneva Allene Welborn
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.
her father ·Üí Edith Lucinda Smith
his mother ·Üí William M LEE, Will
her father ·Üí Britton Lee
his father ·Üí William Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Lemuel Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Edward Lee, I
his father ·Üí Mary Lee
his mother ·Üí William Bryan, I
her father ·Üí John Smith Bryan, of Nansemond
his father ·Üí William Bryan
his father ·Üí Sir Francis Bryan, II, Justicar of Ireland
his father ·Üí Lady Joan Fitzgerald, Duchess of Ormond
his mother ·Üí James FitzMaurice Fitzgerald, 10th Earl of Desmond
her father ·Üí Maurice Fitzgerald, 9th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Thomas FitzJames FitzGerald, 7th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí James FitzGerald, 6th Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Gerald fitz Maurice, 3rd Earl Desmond
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, 1st Earl of Desmond
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas FitzMaurice FitzGerald
his father ·Üí Sir Maurice FitzJohn FitzGerald, Lord of Connello
his father ·Üí John FitzThomas, 1st Baron Desmond
his father ·Üí Thomas FitzMaurice, Lord of Connello
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Lanstephan
his father ·Üí Nest verch Rhys
his mother
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Nest verch Rhys is your 26th great grandmother.
You
‰ ᆒ Marvin "Toad" Henry Welborn, Jr.
your father ·Üí Heny Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
his father ·Üí Sarah Elizabeth Dikes
his mother ·Üí Benjamin Franklin Dykes, II
her father ·Üí William Dykes, Sr.
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his father ·Üí Edward George Dykes
his father ·Üí Edward Dykes
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his father ·Üí Leonard Dykes
his father ·Üí Isabelle Dykes
his mother ·Üí Mary Pennington
her mother ·Üí Mary Hudleston
her mother ·Üí Sir Henry Fenwick
her father ·Üí Margaret de Percy
his mother ·Üí Sir Henry Percy, 1st Earl of Northumberland
her father ·Üí Henry de Percy, 3rd Baron Percy
his father ·Üí Idonea de Clifford, Baronness Percy
his mother ·Üí Matilda (Maud) de Clare
her mother ·Üí Juliane FitzMaurice
her mother ·Üí Maurice FitzMaurice FitzGerald, 3rd Lord of Offaly, Justiciar of Ireland
her father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, 2nd Lord of Offaly
his father ·Üí Gerald FitzMaurice, 1st Lord of Offaly
his father ·Üí Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Lanstephan
his father ·Üí Nest verch Rhys
his mother
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Nest verch Rhys
French: Nest
Gender:
Female
Birth:
circa 1085
Dynevor, Llandyfesisant, Carmarthenshire, Wales (United Kingdom)
Death:
circa 1136‰ (42-60)
Hanging Marsh, Aber Garth Celyn, Gwynedd, Wales (United Kingdom)
Immediate Family:
Daughter of‰ Rhys ap Tudur, of Deheubarth‰ and‰ Gwladys verch Rhiwallon, Queen of Deheubarth
Wife of‰ Gerald FitzWalter Constable of Pembroke‰ and‰ Stephen de Marisco, Constable of Cardigan
Partner of‰ Henry I "Beauclerc", King of England‰ and‰ Owain ap Cadwgan
Mother of‰ Henry FitzRoy;‰ David FitzGerald, Bishop of St. David'S;‰ Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Lanstephan;‰ William FitzGerald, Baron of Windsor and Pembroke;‰ Angharad FitzGerald;‰ Gwladys FitzGerald;‰ Robert FitzStephen, de Marisco‰ and‰ Maria de Marisco
Sister of‰ Arddun verch Rhys;‰ Hywel ap Rhys;‰ Gruffydd ap Rhys;‰ Cadwgan ap Rhys;‰ Llewelyn Ddiriaid ap Rhys;‰ Efa verch Rhys;‰ Gronwy ap Rhys;‰ Elinor verch Rhys;‰ Glewddwr ap Rhys;‰ Owain ap Rhys‰ and‰ Gwenllian verch Rhys
See Peter Bartrum,‰ https://cadair.aber.ac.uk/dspace/bitstream/handle/2160/5210/Bleddyn%20ap%20Cynfyn%2046.png?sequence=1&isAllowed=y‰ (June 19, 2017; Anne Brannen, curator)
NOTE; the following two sites show the improbability that Nest and Owain had children together:
Please see Darrell Wolcott: Owain ap Cadwgan and Nest ferch Rhys-an Historic Fiction?;‰ http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id160.html. (Steven Ferry, June 12, 2017.)
Please see Darrell Wolcott: The "Sons" of Owain ap Cadwgan ap Bleddyn;‰ http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id159.html. (Steven Ferry, June 13, 2017.)
Nest ferch Rhys (died after 1136) was a Welsh princess of Deheubarth who was renowned for her beauty. Nest was the daughter of Prince Rhys ap Tewdwr Mawr by his wife, Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon. After her father's death in 1093, Deheubarth was conquered by the Normans and King Henry I of England appointed himself her protector. Nest is thought to have borne him a son, Henry FitzRoy (1103-1158).
Around 1095 King Henry decided to marry Nest to one of his followers, Gerald de Windsor, whom he appointed Constable of Pembroke. Nest and Gerald had five children:
1. William FitzGerald (died 1173)
2. Maurice FitzGerald, Lord of Llansteffan (died 1 September 1177)
3. David FitzGerald, Archdeacon of Cardigan and Bishop of St David's
4. Angharad de Windsor, who married William de Barry
5. A daughter (possibly Gwladys), the mother of Milo de Cogan
During Christmas 1109, Nest and her husband were visited by her cousin, Owain ap Cadwgan, son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn, Prince of Powys. The story goes that Owain was so taken with Nest's beauty that he and fifteen companions attacked the castle of Cenarth Bychan (possibly Cilgerran Castle or Carew Castle, both in Pembrokeshire), seized Nest, and carried her and her children off.
Tradition also states that Gerald escaped by jumping down the garderobe (i.e. the lavatory chute) to get away. The children were later returned to Gerald. Nest is said to have borne Owain two sons, Llywelyn and Einion, before finally being returned to her husband.
This abduction earned Nest the nickname "Helen of Wales" because it led to civil war on a small scale. Owain ap Cadwgan left the country to avoid retribution, whilst Owain's father, Cadwgan ap Bleddyn, lost his own lands. Gerald waited for Owain to return to Wales, then ambushed and killed him. After Gerald's death, Nest became the lover of Stephen, Constable of Cardigan, by whom she had another son, Robert Fitz-Stephen who died in 1182.
Nest's daughter, Angharad, married William de Barry and had by him four sons: Robert; Philip, the founder of Ballybeg Abbey at Buttevant in Ireland; Walter; the historian Gerald of Wales. Her sons Philip and Robert campaigned in Ireland with Strongbow; Robert died there in 1182.
Robert and Philip were the founders of the family Walsh/Welsh of Kilkenny where they built a Castle known as Castle hale of Kilkenny, Ireland Castle Hale of the Walsh Mountains Kilkenny They conquered Kilkenny. They had become known as the "Welshies" rather than "Hywel" and thus named,they remain to this day; the name Hale being derived from Howell.
Therefore the Welsh and Walsh family of Kilkenny Ireland are also descended from Hywel Dda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nest_ferch_Rhys
The daughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr, a Welsh prince and Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon in sometime between 1095 and 1100
Gave the site of Carew Castle as a dowry
Had at least 5 children with Gerald de Windsor
Owain ap Cadwgan, Nest's cousin and son of another Welsh Prince, started a fire at Carew Castle in 1109
de Windsor escaped but Owain captured Nest
Had two children by Owain Glyn Dâµr
After Gerald de Windsor died, she married Stephen of Cardigan Castle
It is said that Nest's ghost haunts Carew Castle in the form of a gentle white lady.
From the Cadw guidebook for Cilgerran Castle
Nest, the daughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr and wife of Gerald of Windsor, was renowned for her beauty. As a princess of Deheubarth she was a notable 'catch' for Gerald in his bid to establish himself more firmly in Dyfed. There were three sons from the union and a daughter, Angharad, who became, in turn, the mother of Gerald of Wales.
The abduction of Nest in 1109 from the castle of Cenarth Bychan by her second cousin, Owain ap Cadwgan, is fully documented in the medieval 'Chronicle of the Princes'. According to the chronicle, when
'Owain had heard that Nest was in the castle, he went with but a few men in his company to visit her as a kinswoman. And after that he came of a night to the castle and but few men with him, about fourteen, unknown to the keepers of the castle. And then he came to the chamber in which Gerald and Nest were sleeping. And they raised a shout around and about the chamber in which Gerald was, and kindled tapers and set fire to the buildings to burn them. And when he heard the shout, Gerald awoke, not knowing what to do. And then Nest said to him, "Go not out to the door, for thine enemies await thee, but follow me".
And that he did. And she led him to the privy which adjoined the chamber. And there, as is said, he escaped by way of the privy hole. And when Nest knew that he had escaped, she cried out from within and said to the men who were outside, "Why do you cry out in vain? He whom you seek is not here. He has escaped". And when they did not find them, they seized Nest and her two sons and her daughter and another son of his by a concubine, and they sacked and plundered the castle'.
It was not the first, nor the last, of Nest's amorous adventures. She is reputed to have told Owain: 'If thou wouldst have me faithful to thee and keep me with thee, have my children escorted to their father'. It is impossible to know, at this distance of time, whether this was guile or a desire to stay with Owain. Nest became the mistress of a number of lovers, including King Henry I, earning herself notoriety as the 'Helen of Wales'.
Castle Wales
Deheubarth (literally, "south part") was a south-western kingdom or principality of medieval Wales.
Deheubarth was founded Circa. 920 by Hywel Dda ("Hywel the Good") out of the territories of Seisyllwg and Dyfed, both of which had come into his possession. Later on the Kingdom of Brycheiniog would also be added to its territorial boundaries. The chief seat of the rulers of Deheubarth and its traditional capital was at Dinefwr (,although Carmarthen and Cardigan also served as the Kingdoms capital at certain points).
Deheubarth, like several other Welsh kingdoms, continued to exist until the Norman Conquest of Wales, but constant power struggles meant that only for part of the time was it a separate entity with an independent ruler. It was annexed by Llywelyn ap Seisyll of Gwynedd in 1018, then by Rhydderch ab Iestyn of Morgannwg in 1023. Llywelyn ap Sisyll's son, Gruffydd ap Llywelyn again annexed Deheubarth and became ruler of most of Wales, but after his death the old Dinefwr dynasty regained power.
Deheubarth onWikipedia
From Medlands:
King Henry I had one illegitimate son by Mistress (13):
22. HENRY ([1105/09]-killed in battle 1157). Giraldus Cambrensis names "Henricusဦregi Henrici primi filiusဦex nobili Nesta, Resi filii Theodori filia" in South Wales[236]. He was killed during King Henry IIမs invasion of Anglesey[237]. m ---. The name of Henry's wife is not known. Henry & his wife had two children:
a) MEILER FitzHenry (-1220). The Expugnatio Hibernica names "Roberto Barrensi" and "Meilerius" as "Stephanidâ¶que alter ex fratre, alter ex sorore nepotes"[238]. He took a leading part in the invasion of Ireland and became one of the most powerful Anglo-Irish lords[239]. m [secondly?] ---, niece of HUGH de Lacy Lord of Meath, daughter of ---. The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not yet been identified. Meiler & his wife had one child:
i) MEILER ---. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified.
b) ROBERT FitzHenry. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. Living in Leinster about 1180, died soon afterwards. The Expugnatio Hibernica names "Henrici filius Robertus, Meilerii frater"[240]. m ---. The name of Robert's wife is not known. Robert & his wife had one child:
i) HENRY . The Expugnatio Hibernica names "Henrici filius Robertus, Meilerii frater"[241].
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This is not the same as Nesta d/o Gruffydd ap Llyewellyn & 2nd wife Ealdgyth of Mercia, who married Osbern FitzRichard and they had 3 children including Nesta who married Burnard de Neufmarche and they had 3 children including Sibylle who married Miles of Gloucester.
This is of the line line which is Various Welsh unpronouncable names leading to Tewdr Mawr f/o Rhys ap Tewdr who married Gwladus. They had 4 children including Nest who married Gerald FitzWalter of WIndsor and who was also mistress to Henry I King of England and Stephen Constable of Cardiff Castle by whom she had a child RObert FitzStephen.
Summing up Sybil was the daughter of Nest and Bernard but not of Nest and Henry I.
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Name: Nesta Verch Rhys 1 2 3
Sex: F
Name: Nesta Of Wales 2 1 3
Birth: ABT 1080 in Dynevor Castle, Carmarthenshire, Wales 1 3
Death: ABT 1163 1 2 3
Event: TITL Princess Of Wales 2 3
Reference Number: 8835
Note:
Nest or Nesta flourished 1106 as mistress of Henry I. She was the daughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr, who died 1093, King of Dehenbarth, by Gwladys, daughter of Rhywallon. Rhys was made King of South Wales by England in 1063. Nesta received as her marriage portion the lordship of Carew, and about 1095, or soon afterwards, married Gerald de Windsor, Constable of Pembroke Castle, a loyal and prudent man. She was clever and beautiful. About 1106 her cousin Owen, son of Cadwgan, visited the castle by night, and in order to get to the room where she and her husband were set fire to the castle. Nesta pulled up a board and let her husband into the drain, by which he escaped. She was carried to Poys, together with two of her sons by Gerald and two of his children by another woman. Cadwgan was angry at his son's act for he feared the wrath of the English, and begged him to send Nesta back, but he would not. However, she persuaded him to send her husband's children back to him. Her abduction led to a war, in which Gerald took a conspicuous part. After a time she rejoined her husband, who appears to have died before 1136. She was also the wife of Stephen, Constable of Cardigan. In the list of her children, given by her descendant, Giraldus Cambrenses, the names of the three fathers, to whom the greater number of them are assigned, stand in order as Gerald, Stephen and King Henry. Indeed, it seems that her eldest son was by Gerald. It is probable that her connection with Stephen did not begin before 1110, and that she bore a son to Henry in 1114. Seven of her sons became lords of Cantreds in South Wales, and from her descended some of the most famous of the conquerors of Ireland. Her children by Gerald of Windsor were William FitzGerald, her eldest son, Maurice, David, and a daughter, Angharad, and two other sons.
Reference Dictionary of National Biography, Vol. 40, pp. 228/9. See Generation No. 4. Gerald of Windsor or Gerald FitzWalter, who married Nesta.
From Tompsett : "Known as the most beautiful woman in Wales. She had many lovers. In Christmas 1108 Owain ap Cadwgan of Cardigan came to visit Gerald and Nesta. He so lusted after her that he, that night, attacked the castle and carried her off and had his way with her. This upset Henry I so much that the incident started a war."[JohnFaye (8 Jun 05).FTW]
Nest or Nesta flourished 1106 as mistress of Henry I. She was the daughter of Rhys ap Tewdwr, who died 1093, King of Dehenbarth, by Gwladys, daughter of Rhywallon. Rhys was made King of South Wales by England in 1063. Nesta received as her marriage portion the lordship of Carew, and about 1095, or soon afterwards, married Gerald de Windsor, Constable of Pembroke Castle, a loyal and prudent man. She was clever and beautiful. About 1106 her cousin Owen, son of Cadwgan, visited the castle by night, and in order to get to the room where she and her husband were set fire to the castle. Nesta pulled up a board and let her husband into the drain, by which he escaped. She was carried to Poys, together with two of her sons by Gerald and two of his children by another woman. Cadwgan was angry at his son's act for he feared the wrath of the English, and begged him to send Nesta back, but he would not. However, she persuaded him to send her husband's children back to him. Her abduction led to a war, in which Gerald took a conspicuous part. After a time she rejoined her husband, who appears to have died before 1136. She was also the wife of Stephen, Constable of Cardigan. In the list of her children, given by her descendant, Giraldus Cambrenses, the names of the three fathers, to whom the greater number of them are assigned, stand in order as Gerald, Stephen and King Henry. Indeed, it seems that her eldest son was by Gerald. It is probable that her connection with Stephen did not begin before 1110, and that she bore a son to Henry in 1114. Seven of her sons became lords of Cantreds in South Wales, and from her descended some of the most famous of the conquerors of Ireland. Her children by Gerald of Windsor were William FitzGerald, her eldest son, Maurice, David, and a daughter, Angharad, and two other sons.
Rootsweb
Princess of Deheubarth
She was given to Gerald by King Henry 1st She was his concubine #13
Nest was briefly one of the numerous concubines of Henry I, to whom she bore a son.
She was heiress of the lands of Carew, near Milford Haven, Pembrokeshire. She was also known as Nest of Wales. She gained the title of Princess Nesta of Deheubarth.
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OWAIN ap CADWGAN and NEST ferch RHYS - AN HISTORIC FICTION?
‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ By Darrell Wolcott‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Most casual students of Welsh history are familiar with the story of Owain and Nest,‰ where a young nobleman's infatuation for a beautiful married woman led to his kidnapping the lady to have her for himself.‰ But how much of the tale is actually true?
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ We should begin our analysis by identifying the principals involved and placing it within its contemporary environment in the early 12th century.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Cadwgan ap Bleddyn ap Cynfyn was, in 1109, the oldest of the sons of Bleddyn then alive[1].‰ As such, he held the "kingship" of Powys which Bleddyn had ruled until he was killed in 1075.‰ Born c. 1055, he had been too young to succeed his father, but when the interim Powys king Trahaearn ap Caradog[2] was slain in 1081, the brothers Cadwgan, Madog and Rhiryd ap Bleddyn appear to have divided Powys among themselves.‰ But in 1088, Madog and Rhiryd were killed when the three brothers attempted to wrest Deheubarth from Rhys ap Tewdwr.‰ Thus, Cadwgan ap Bleddyn emerged as the head of Bleddyn's family entitled to rule Powys.‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ About 1083, Cadwgan had married Gwenllian ferch Gruffudd ap Cynan[3] ap Idwal (i.e. Gruffudd nephew of Iago); she was the niece of Maredudd ap Cynan, a man trained as a cleric under Sulien the Wise at Meifod and chosen by Cadwgan as his household priest or offeiriad[4]. She was born in Ireland about 1070 and may have joined her uncle in Powys after her father went missing soon after 1081[5].‰ The first child of this marriage was‰ a son named Owain, born c. 1085.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Owain ap Cadwgan is first mentioned in the Brut in 1106, when he killed two sons of Trahaearn ap Caradog.‰ It is not known if his father sent him on that mission, but since the slain men were both noblemen of Powys and distant kinfolks we should doubt the young man acted without Cadwgan's consent.‰ Perhaps those men, Meurig and Gruffudd ap Trahaearn, sought some claim to Powys as their birthright since Trahaearn had been king before Cadwgan, and it was young Owain earning his spurs as a warrior by being sent to suppress that threat.‰ But it is the second mention of Owain in 1109 where we find the "love story" about Nest ferch Rhys ap Tewdwr.‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Rhys ap Tewdwr was a direct descendant of Hywel Dda,‰ and he‰ assumed his birthright as king of Deheubarth in 1079.‰ About 1080, he married Gwladys ferch Rhiwallon ap Cynfyn[6], a niece of Bleddyn ap Cynfyn and first-cousin of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn.‰ Among their children was a daughter, Nest, born c. 1085.‰ The following chart shows the relationship of Owain and Nest:
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ______l_________‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Cadell‰ 980
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ 1025‰ Bleddyn‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ 1024‰ Rhiwallon‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Tewdwr‰ 1015
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ 1055‰ Cadwgan‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ 1060‰ Gwladys======Rhys‰ 1045
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ 1085‰ Owain‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Nest‰ 1085
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ In 1093, Rhys ap Tewdwr‰ died on the battlefield in Brycheiniog assisting its king, Bleddyn ap Maenyrch, against the invasion of the Norman‰ marcher knight Bernard Newmarch.‰ ‰ Then a child under 10 years old, Nest was eventually removed from her home by the English and found herself at the court of King William Rufus as a young lady about‰ 14.‰ There she was seduced by the king's brother, Henry, soon to be king himself.‰ After bearing a son to Henry I, Nest was later given to the king's man in Dyfed...Gerald of Windsor...as his wife.‰ ‰ Merely a loyal‰ employee of‰ the king and not a landed baron, Gerald was happy to receive the beautiful girl even though she was not a virgin.‰ In 1108, he built his own castle at Cenarth just across the Teifi River which separated Dyfed from the lands of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn in Ceredigion, in which he housed his wife and children.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ This brings us to the year 1109 and the story of Owain and Nest.‰ ‰ In the words of‰ one‰ chronicler[7]:
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ "Cadwgan ap Bleddyn prepared a royal feast for the leading men of his land (here read Ceredigion).‰ And he invited Owain his son from Powys to the feast...and when the feast was ended, Owain heard that Nest, daughter of the lord Rhys ap Tewdwr, wife of Gerald the officer, was in the said castle (Cenarth).‰ And when he heard, he went....to visit her a though she were a kinswoman--and so she was...And after that, at the instigation of the Devil, he was moved by passion and love for the woman, and with...about 14 men, he made for the castle by night.‰ And unknown to the watchers, he came into the castle over the wall and the ditch surrounding the building where Gerald and Nest, his wife, were sleeping.‰ And he raised a shout around the building and set fire to the (other) buildings"
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ The account continues with the manner in which Nest helped her husband escape "via the privy hole" and then admitted Owain and his men to her chamber, telling them Gerald was not there.‰ It continues:
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ "And then they came inside and searched for him everywhere. And when they did not find him, they seized Nest and her two sons, and the third son whom Gerald had by a concubine, and a daughter.‰ And they utterly pillaged the castle and burned it.‰ And he violated Nest and lay with her and then returned home...And when Cadwgan heard that story, he was grieved and was frightened for two reasons: because of the violation of the lady, and because of fear of King Henry on account of the injury to his officer....He sought in every way to restore the woman and the spoil, but he was not allowed.‰ And Owain, because the woman was forever saying unto him 'if thou wilt have me true and keep me for thyself, release my sons to their father'--and in infatuation for the woman, he released the two sons and the daughter."
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Another version of the Brut[8] recites much the same story of Owain's raid, but‰ initially says he "had intercourse with her and returned to his land" omitting any mention of an abduction of Nest or the children.‰ But later, when relating the reaction of Cadwgan, repeats almost word-for word the‰ story of Owain agreeing to release the children at Nest's request.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ The Brenhinedd y Saesson[9] cites a parallel account of the raid, but ends by saying Owain and his men plundered the castle then seized Nest and the children and went to Powys with the spoil.‰ There is no mention of sex with Nest.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ And in the Welsh Annals report[10], there is not even a mention of Nest or Gerald being present at their residence when Owain torched it.‰ We are merely told that Owain ap Cadwgan burnt the castle at Cenarth Bychan and as a result chose to leave home for Ireland:
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ "Castellum Chenarth Wechan ab Owino filio Cadugaun combustum est; pro quo facto ipse Owinus ad Hiberniam pulsus rediit"
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ In her 2007 biography of Princess Nest of Wales[11], the Welsh historian Kari Maund makes‰ this observation about the Owain story in the Bruts:
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ "It is an exciting story, but we should hesitate to take it at full face value.‰ In the first place....this section of the vernacular Welsh Chronicles shows signs of having been revised or rewritten at some later period to enhance the political standing of the dynasty of Powys....the account of the abduction of Nest, and the entries for several years on either side, are unusually detailed, including direct speech, giving them the form almost more of a prose tale than a record of events"
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Today, we would call that an "historical novel", not really meant to be true but what could‰ have happened, and told as‰ if an eyewitness had been there to tell what he observed and heard.‰ And it was penned by an author who had a motive to both demean Gerald and enhance the warrior reputation of Owain; he had Gerald escape through his privy hole while the hero of the story bedded his wife.‰ Seems bad enough to envision a man crawling through feces to escape, but what sort of man would simply run away and leave his wife to be ravished?
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ In the Brut entries for the 2/3 year period following Owain's raid on Castell Cenarth, we find both Owain and his father hiding out in Ireland to escape the English repercussions.‰ Then Cadwgan is readmitted to the king's favor by paying a fine and promising not to give Owain any aid nor permit him on his lands.‰ The scribe has Owain returning to Powys hopeful of reconciliation with Henry I, but unable to find anyone who would agree to intercede for him.‰ Owain next assembles a band of rebels and conducts looting and burning raids on various Norman manors in Wales, hiding in the mountains whenever being actively hunted down.‰ Later, he camped on part of his father's lands in Ceredigion to launch raids against the Flemish into Dyfed and to store the livestock and spoils his band took.‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ This got his father in trouble with King Henry, who took Ceredigion away from Cadwgan on the stated grounds "if you can't keep Owain off your lands, I'll give them to someone who can."‰ Owain again took shelter in Ireland without waiting to see who the king would next install in Ceredigion.‰ In 1111, Cadwgan was killed by a nephew seeking his realm of Powys; this Madog ap Rhiryd ap Bleddyn had also killed another uncle, Iorwerth ap Bleddyn, that same year.‰ At this point, we are told that Owain went to the king and obtained Powys by giving hostages and promising much money.‰ Thus, we are to believe that all of Owain's reputed transgressions against the king's subjects were forgotten.‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ In 1114, the chronicler tells us that Owain was again in trouble, accused of thefts in the lands of Gilbert fitz Richard, the man whom the king had installed in Ceredigion.‰ Henry I moved an army against the men of Powys and Gwynedd (where it's lord was also accused of crimes against the king). ‰ Maredudd ap Bleddyn, the youngest uncle of Owain, went over to the king's side while Owain hid out in Snowdonia.‰ But shortly afterwards, Maredudd persuaded his nephew to return to the king's peace.‰ According to the Brut author, the king received Owain joyfully, did him honor and praised him.‰ And raised him highest among his kin, took him on a royal trip to Normandy and made him a knight.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ One must now ask how much of this is history and how much is mere aggrandization of the Powys dynasty.‰ The chronicles for these years still read like a novel, including many direct quotations.‰ The truth might well be surrounded with much fiction about Owain's activities from 1109 to 1114.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ We would see him as a Welsh nationalist, intent upon expelling the Normans from his homeland.‰ But a man receiving little or no support from his father; Cadwgan was then in his 50's and his passion for challenging Henry I had ebbed.‰ Suppose we posit that Owain, together with a few of his cousins, were not bandits and thieves at all but operating as a roving warband against the Norman men which had been installed in Wales.‰ Not numerous nor strong enough to meet the Normans in pitched battle, they merely engaged in a hit-and-run campaign chosing sparsely defended targets.‰ Whenever the English mounted serious campaigns to find him, Owain slipped away to Ireland until the organized efforts to locate him ceased.‰
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ For his part, Henry may have viewed him as a rebel but not as a thief or abductor of women.‰ Merely as a proud man whose birthright had been stolen by Henry's men and didn't intend to accept that fate willingly. Thus, when Owain finally elected to come to the king's peace, he was treated as a man of noble birth‰ who had honorably‰ fought to regain what had been his own lands.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ Nothing told about the activities of Owain following his 1109 raid on Gerald's castle at Cenarth Bychan is compatable with his having Nest, or any woman or small children, in tow.‰ He was a warrior without a safe home in which to house a family, constantly on the move to strike his targets of choice and then find a place to hide until the dust settled.‰ It would have been difficult for him to secure safe lodging with most of his elders as they feared losing their lands to the king if they sheltered his little warband.
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‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ It must be left an open question, then, whether or not Owain ever had a love affair with Nest.‰ Certainly if he had abducted her at all, he‰ had little means to keep her with him for any length of time. We do know that she had at least one more child by her husband Gerald after 1109 and that‰ after his death,‰ married‰ in succession two other Norman officers.‰ As for Owain, he was reportedly killed in 1116, while on a military mission for King Henry, by a band of Flemish men led by Gerald of Wales. Thus, the chronicler would have us believe that the same man Owain offended in 1109 was the eventual instrument of his death.‰ One might suspect this report was a dramatic way to end the whole Owain/Nest saga which had been related in words more akin to the novelist than the historian.
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NOTES:
[1] Bleddyn had‰ 4 sons (Rhiryd, Madog, Cadwgan and Llywarch) by his first unnamed consort.‰ ‰ Although Llywarch lived long enough to marry, no mention is made of him joining his brothers in battle nor seeking any share of Bleddyn's lands.‰ He may have been born with a disqualifying condition or perhaps chose the life of a cleric.‰ ‰ We do not know which of the 4 was the eldest, but both Rhiryd and Madog were killed in 1088.‰ Iorwerth‰ was probably the 5th son, killed‰ in 1111 when only‰ Cadwgan and the youngest, Maredudd, were yet alive.‰ ‰
[2] Trahaearn ap Caradog ap Gwyn, together with his first cousin, Cynwrig ap Rhiwallon ap Gwyn, were installed as interim kings of Powys and Gwynedd after Bleddyn was slain in 1075.‰ One may suggest their entitlement was derived by the marriage of‰ their grandfather, Gwyn ap Collwyn, to a granddaughter of former Powys king Cadell ap Brochwel...thus a sister of Cynfyn ap Gwerystan.‰ If so, the fathers of‰ Trahaearn and Cynwrig were first-cousins of‰ Bleddyn ap Cynfyn
[3] This marriage is cited in ABT 8i and Gwenllian must have been born c. 1070 in Ireland to the first Gruffudd ap Cynan, the nephew of Iago.‰ See "The Children of Gruffudd Nephew of Iago" elsewhere on this site.
[4]‰ See the paper "Who was Maredudd ap Cynan" elsewhere on this site
[5]‰ The first Gruffudd ap Cynan disappeared from history shortly after the 1081 Battle of Mynydd Cairn, likely at the hand of Robert of Rhuddlan when Gruffudd lodged a claim for the kingship of Gwynedd.‰ ‰
[6] The marriage is cited in ABT 10; Rhiwallon ap Bleddyn had another daughter,‰ Sioned, who married Tudor ap Rhys Sais of Maelor but is not known to have had any sons.
[7] The quoted account is from the Peniarth Ms 20 version of Brut y Tywysogyon; our omissions of non-relevant portions of that text‰ are indicated by "****"‰ ‰
[8] The Red Book of Hergest version
[9] The third version of the Brut from British Museum Ms Cleopatra B v
[10] Annales Cambria Rolls Edition edited 1860 by The Rev. John Williams ab Ithel under the unredacted date 1110
[11] "Princess Nest of Wales, Seductress of the English", a softcover book by Kari Maund. The story of Owain is found on pp 136-144
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