Ancestral Glimpses » John Crouch (± 1724-1800)

Données personnelles John Crouch 

• Il est né environ 1724 dans Somerset County, Maryland, British America.

  Mary Stephenson Sailors book, The Ancestors and Descendants of Thomas Jefferson Crouch, page 19, states John Sr. was born about 1724.

• Profession: le 1750–1756 longhunter.

  John Crouch was a longhunter. "John Crouch Sr. made his living by the range and the gun, and when the range was gone, he would pack up and move on." -Randy Elaine Stalnaker. The Stalnakers were early settlers on the Tygart Valley River.

• Il est décédé le 31 janvier 1800 dans Ross County, Ohio, Verenigde Staten.
• Un enfant de Richard Crouch et Judith Sampson
• Cette information a été mise à jour pour la dernière fois le 29 juillet 2013.

Famille de John Crouch

Il est marié avec Mary Ashby.

Ils se sont mariés estimé vers 1750.

Enfant(s):

1. Sarah Crouch  
2. Joseph Crouch  ± 1648-????
3. Johnathon Crouch  ± 1740-± 1786
4. John Crouch  1745-????
5. Andrew Crouch  ± 1750-1781 
6. Elizabeth Crouch  ± 1750-± 1830 
7. David Crouch  1767-± 1853 
8. Jacob Crouch  1776-± 1867

Notes par John Crouch

From: (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX) (Mrs. Randy Stalnaker)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003
Subject: John Crouch Sr, [from Wales]

I would appreciate it if you would post the following on the John Crouch Sr. Family, there is a lot of confusion on this family, and several documents have recently been located that prove that Maxwell's History of Randolph County, WV, on the Crouch Family was incorrect, and that the information he gives listing John, Andrew, and James as brothers is wrong.

Several documents have been found which contradict some of the assumptions made by Hu Maxwell, [History of Randolph County, WV] and Homer Fansler, [History of Tucker County, WV], about the family of John Crouch Sr. One document in particular is a record of an interview with David Crouch, son of John Crouch Sr, which substantiates and contradicts
Fansler's information, [David Crouch Interview, Draper Collection Manuscripts, Volume 12CC225-29, Nicholas County, Kentucky] Fansler had no information showing where John Crouch Sr. lived prior to his settlement on Cheat River in present Tucker County. David Crouch stated that his father lived some years on the South Branch, went from there to the Carolinas, lived two or three years on the Yadkin in the same section with Boone, then came back again to the South Branch.

David described their settlement as being 50 miles from the South Branch with five mountains to cross going there that were so steep a horse could hardly carry a man over them.

David also said that "he was born in August 1767 on the heads of the Monongahela in Randolph County, Virginia and that his father was one of the first settlers there. His father came to Tygart's Valley when David was 3 years old." This part of his statement appears to be in agreement with Fansler's article. John Crouch's settlement in 1766 on the Cheat River, in present Tucker County, WV, would be considered on a head of the Monongahela.

According to David his father moved to the Tygart's Valley in 1770 and not 1772 as Fansler concluded.

Maxwell's and Fansler's theory that John Crouch Sr., Andrew Crouch and James Crouch were brothers and that Andrew had a mature son Joseph before coming to the area appears to be totally incorrect.

The name James Crouch first appears in Alexander Scott Wither's account of an Indian Ambush which occured in Tygarts Valley,[ Withers, Alexander Scott, Chronicles of Border Warfare, 1895, pg. 287]. Withers states in his book that James Crouch was wounded during an Indian ambush in March 1780 when John Nelson, John McLean and James Ralston were killed. David Crouch named the same men as being killed in an ambush during which his brother Jonathon Crouch was shot through the arm. The name James Crouch does not appear in any of the early records of Randolph County.

During the interview David does not mention his father by name, however he does say that "the Commisoners appointed to adjust land claims sat a day or two at my Father's." The records of the Commissioners show that they met at John Crouch's on March 23 and 24 in 1780. David stated that Joseph Crouch was his older brother, therefore Joseph was a son of John Crouch and not Andrew Crouch as Fansler assumed.

Fansler's account of the circumstances surrounding the death of John Crouch Sr., also appears to be false. He states that John Crouch Sr. was killed by a rattlesnake bite at his home in Randolph County in 1787.

David said that his father lived in Tygart's Valley for seventeen years and that he and his father came to Kentucky in 1787. David also said that when his father came to Kentucky, he bought 5 miles this side of Lexinngton, moved to Bourbon and from there to Ohio where he died. Fanler's reference to Deed Book 6, pages 659,663, and 665 for information on John Crouch Sr was found to be incorrect. These deeds were recorded in 1815 from John Crouch, [son of Andrew Crouch and Judith Westfall] Sheriff of Randolph County, and do not provide any information about John Crouch Sr. as Fansler states.

A petition by the inhabitants of the Tygart's Valley in 1776 shows John Crouch Sr, John Crouch Jr, Joseph Crouch, Jonathan Crouch, and Andrew Crouch were all living in the valley at the time. Records also show that Joseph Crouch was born in 1748, and Andrew was born in 1750, which also shows that they were brothers, not father and son.

In the first census of Harrison County in 1785 the following were listed as living in the Tygarts Valley between Petty's Ford [near present day Valley Bend] and the County line, John Crouch Sr., John Crouch Jr., Jonathon Crouch, Jacob Crouch, Judy Crouch and Joseph Crouch.

It appears that Judith Crouch, [Judy] was the widow of Andrew Crouch who died or was killed prior to 1782. The exact date and circumstances surrounding the death of Andrew Crouch is not known. The records show that the estate of Jonathon Crouch was settled in 1786 and it was Jonathon, not John Sr. that was killed by a rattlesnake bite as the legend states. Based on the David Crouch interview and deeds recorded in Randolph County all of the Crouch families, except the family of Andrew and Judith Crouch, moved from Tygart's Valley to Kentucky prior to 1800. The 1802 tax records of Randolph County shows only John Crouch, and Andrew Crouch as being heads of households and Jacob Crouch was living with Andrew Crouch, [ John, Andrew, and Jacob were all children of Andrew Crouch and Judith Westfall ].

On June 7, 1786 John Crouch, son and heir of Andrew Crouch recieved 210 acres of land in Randolph County, [Randolph County Deed Book 1 page 15]. John would have been about 12 years of age at that time and this conveyance may have been the land transfer, under the law of "primogenetin" [ giving all of the property to the eldest son ], that Fansler was referring to in his book. On March 28, 1801 John Crouch and wife Mary Nelson Crouch, [ daughter of Charles Nelson Sr. and Elizabeth Fore ] conveyed this same 210 acres of land in Randolph County to Jacob and Andrew Crouch, [ John's brother's ]Fansler states in his book that John Crouch's son, Major John Crouch, was the first white child born in what is now Randolph County. The census records show that Major John was born in 1774, however other recorded documents show that John Crouch's sons, John Jr. and Jonathon, were both born prior to his moving to Tygart's Valley. Their names appearing on the petition in 1776 would indicate that they were both over sixteen years of age at that time.

Records show that the following were the children of John Crouch Sr.:
Joseph Crouch, married to Elizabeth Warwick
Andrew Crouch married to Judith Westfall
Elizabeth Crouch, married to Henry DeLay
Eleanor Crouch, married to Chalres Nelson Jr.
John Crouch Jr., married to Sarah Nelson
Jonathon Crouch, died 1786 unmarried
Jacob Crouch
Sarah Crouch, married to John Ryan
David Crouch, married to Elizabeth Cassity.

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Clarification on Ole John Couch

21 August 2010

David Couch - Aug 21, 2010 Viewers
Reply to this item Brenda:

Thanks for the update. I did not know that the Mormon Chruch had sold Ancestry.com. Guess that is why there is a greater focus on Ancestry.com making as much money as they possibly can, and that expains why there is no longer a free World Trees site.

I am with you. I don't understand why some folks do not want to share their genealogy information. Like you, anything I have, I am willing to share it. Also, anything that I post, pictures, genealogy information, etc. I give persmission for all our cousins to copy and pass around.

To my knowledge, no one has made a lot of money on genealogy. Jerry Benedict and I have not come close to breaking even on our book, but we were both delighted to spend hundreds of hours preparing it. There are, of course, a few errors in the book, but nothing major. The most significant error was found by Calvin Dorris, and I really appreciate his diligence in finding the error. He found that Pruitt made an error in his land grant/deed transcriptions.

In the digital copy or Jerry Benedict's and my book, I have placed this correction:

"Nov 8, 1792, F-437, or 8, p 437-438, (Pruitt), John Cannon & wife Rebecahah (Spartanbugh) to Benjamin Couch (same), for 20~ sold 50 ac on N side Enoree R; border Edward Lyaeh's Spring Br, part of 300 ac grant in 1773 Gov William Bull to John Couch who sold to Addam Garman who Sold to John Cannon. Wit: Henry Meredith & Addam Garmon. Signed John Cannon & Rebecahah's mark. Wit Oath Jul 17, 1799 Henry Meredith to A Casey Rec Apr 10, 1800. Note: Pruitt has an error in his book, in that the 1773 grant of 300 acres in 1773 by Gov William Bull mentioned here reads “JAMES COUCH”, not “JOHN COUCH” in the orginal document. An extraction from the original document is shown below. Calvin Dorris discovered Pruitt’s error."

Calvin sent me a copy of this deed record, and it clearly indates "... 300 ac grant in 1773 Gov William Bull to James Couch" not John Couch.

Calvin's finding of this error was significant to me for these reasons:
(1) The John Couch mentioned is John Couch (b: ca. 1745) who married Ann Meredith
(2) This John Couch is my 3rd great grandfather, and is also, your ancestry grandfather, Brenda.
(3) This error cleared something up for me because I always thought that my John Couch (b: ca. 1745) did not leave Orange County, North Carolina, until his father's will was probated in 1784 (his father was Ole Thomas Couch).
(4) I think that John Couch (b: ca. 1745) remained in Orange Co, NC, and departed there for the Old Ninety Six District, South Carolina, in about 1784/1785 -- the same time that his brother-in-law, Revolutionary War Veteran, Captain Henry Meredith, left Orange Co, NC and purchased land in the Old Ninety Six District, SC, adjacent to the land of Ole Mathew Couch.
(5) I think it possible that Captain Henry Meredith and John Couch (b: ca. 1745) traveled together to the Old Ninety Six District, South Carolina.

So, one error by someone with a tremendous reputation for accuracy like Pruitt can make a major difference in our genealogy assumptions. This may well be the only transcription error Pruitt ever made.

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