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   Biography
   
   Ranulf de Wrenroc is the same person as Ranulf Peverel, who was formerly linked as his son, and the two should be merged. The merge should be delayed, however, until the appropriate LNAB can be established.
   
   Name
   
   Cawley presents documentation for Ranulf Peverel of Hatfield, Essex. [1]
   
   1020 Birth
   
   Wolcott has estimated 1020 as an appropriate birth year because Ranulf's son Payne was old enough in 1086 to be holding land. [2]
   
   Legend of Ranulf Peverell's Welsh Ancestry
   
   Darrell Wolcott notes that there are persistent accounts that Ranulf de Wrenroc was a son of Rhys Sais, but no documentation for such a connection. The Rhy Sais who had a son Tudur and grandson Gronwy was born in 1030 [3], and the grandson Gronwy would not have fit the chronology Wolcott was trying to develop. Wolcott suggests an alternative account, to which references to Boyer have been added:
   1.Tudor Trevor (900-948) [3] Tudor Trefor married Angharad ferch Hywel Dda, and had three sons, Gronwy, Lludica, and Dingad.
   2.Gronwy ap Tudor Trevor, was born about 920 [2] or 930 [3]. Gronwy married Tangwystl ferch Dyfnwal. Wolcott, following Bartrum, lists only one child, a daughter, Gwen.
   3. Y Gwreng. (970- ) Y Gwreng is not named by Bartrum or Boyer [3] and should therefore be considered legendary. Wolcott suggests that Gronwy ap Tudor Trevor fathered a base son by an unidentified Saxon lady and that whatever birth name that child was given, he was simply called "Y Gwreng" (the commoner) by the noblemen of Wales who considered his mother a "commoner". [2]
   4.Pefr or Gronwy Pefr. (995- ) This person is also not shown in Boyer and should be considered legendary. Wolcott states that the son of that child was perhaps called "Pefr" not because he was actually "radiant", but as a means of rehabilitating his reputation; Gronwy Pefr was a character in the Mabinogion tale "Math vab Mathonwy", and while not cast in a hero role, at least he was considered a noble Welshman and not a commoner. [2]
   5.Ranulph Pefr --> Peverell. The son of this Gronwy was probably referred to as Ranulph Pefr until he was approached by the young Duke of Normandy, William the bastard in 1051. [2] Wolcott apparently has combined Ranulf Wrenroc and Ranulf Pevereall in the person of Ranulph Pefr.
   
   Wolcott provides a possible scenario to account for the various suppositions in a consistent timeline: The son of this Gronwy was probably referred to as Ranulph Pefr until he was approached by the young Duke of Normandy, William the bastard in 1051. The latter was betrothed to marry a Flanders princess, a connection vital to his standing in Normandy. But in his negotiations with Edward the Confessor regarding his succeeding the childless king as King of England, it was suggested William required a Saxon connection as well.
   
   His great aunt Emma had married Aethelred the Unready and now had a granddaughter, Maud. Both a comely and wealthy young lady, William agreed to bear her a son which would be his first-born and whom he would reward handsomely when he became King. But to keep the boy from bearing the bastard stigma he himself wore, William convinced the part-Welsh, part Saxon Ranulph Pefr to marry the pregnant lady and give his name to her child.
   
   As evidenced by Ranulph's extensive holdings cited in the Domesday Book, he was well rewarded for this act. Since the Welsh Pefr was not a suitable family name for the first-born child of William Duke of Normandy, it was given a Norman look as Peverel.
   
   And while this covering marriage "legitimized" the king's son, persistent rumors continued as to who was really his father. Having no way to be certain, historians are wholly silent on the matter. Nor do they offer any explanation how both Ranulph Peverel and his "son" acquired their extensive lands all across England or why the early Marcher Barons would freely give their daughters in marriage to Peverel men.
   
   Our conjecture is offered as one possibility. We doubt that William Peverel went to live in Normandy and returned with the 1066 invasion, but may well have joined Duke William in the battle at Hastings as a "Norman" already in England. [2] Note Wolcott's use of the word "conjecture": his intent was to create a narrative timeline that fit the legends, not to document them or assess their veracity.
   
   Wolcott has created a conjecture within which the notion of William Peverell's true parent being William, Duke of Normandy is plausible. Unfortunately no other documentation supports this legend of William's birth or Ranulf's ancestry.
   
   Maud/Ingelrica
   
   Cawley reports that Ranulf Peverel, of Hatfield, Essex, married Ingelrica, daughter of Ingelric, using the name Ingelrica rather than Maud. Cawley adds that Ingelric was a nobleman of Norman origin, and that his family background is unknown. [4]
   
   Ingelrica, wife of Ranulph, is named Maud by other sources. Jim Weber reports Maud's birth at 1032 [5] and Geni reports Maud's birth at 1033 [6]
   
   Ingelric of Wessex, who was previously considered Maud's father, is substantially a creature of legend. Todd A. Farmerie, in response to a query regarding Ingelric's relationship to Aethelred and Emma on SGM (soc.genealogy.medieval), responded, Complete fantasy. AEthelred and Emma had just three known children - AElfred, Eadweard, and Godgifu. Further every single one of AEthelred's children were named for prior kings of Wessex/England. AEthelred had no such son. In fact, I would be surprised if there ever was any Ingelric the Saxon. This man is completely invented, as is his supposed daughter Maud/Ingelrica. [7]
   
   There were other persons named Ingelric, one of whom was associated with Ranulph in property ownership in the 1086 Domesday book. What this person's relationship with Maud or Ingelrica is, is unknown.
   
   Geni is caught up in the legend, noting Maud as a daughter of Ingelric "The Saxon" and Adelaide of France [6]. Ingelric's association with Adelaide is not documented elsewhere. Wolcott's date estimates for Maud -- 1030 -- must be considered compromised by his intent of simply creating a chronology to organize the legendary material.
   
   Jim Weber, too, appears to be supporting the legend, joining in the assertion that Maud's father was Prince Ingelric of England, b. 1006 in St Martin's, London, Middlesex, England. Thus he joins in the assertion that Maud was the daughter of a powerful Saxon Lord, said to be a son of Aethelred "the Unready". [5] However, Renia Simmonds at the google Newsgroup soc.genealogy.medieval, on 8 April 2001 discounts the Saxon birth of Athelida. [5]
   
   Jim Weber refers to her as Maud (Athelida) de Ingelrica [5]
   
   Joining Wolcott's conjecture, Weber notes that "if Maud's father was a son of Aethelred (according to his likely date of birth, it would be by Emma of Normandy), then William's favoritism towards the Peverel family could easily be explained by the fact that Maud Ingelrica was his cousin.[5]
   
   Jim Weber [5] cites a newsgroup assertion that about 1048 Maud had an affair with William I "The Conqueror" King of ENGLAND b: 14 OCT 1027 in Falaise, Calvados, Normandy, France. The affair may have produced William "Elder" Peverel [8]
   
   Cawley notes the legend that Maud is said to have been the mistress of William I King of England. Cawley notes that Eyton states that, according to Dugdale, Maud's relationship with William (then Duke of Normandy) predated her marriage and that he was the father of her son William Peverel. [4] Cawley also notes that Dugdale records that Ingelrica, wife of Ranulf Peverell, had been a mistress to King William the Conqueror.[1]
   
   However, neither the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy [9] nor Douglas Richardson [10] in their discussion of William, on the other hand, address the possibility of any mistresses of William or natural children by him. Since both do so for other persons when there is documentation, an affair between Maud and William should be considered questionable absent any better documentation.
   
   Douglas Richardson's account of William the Conqueror [10] includes only children by William's wife Maud, and the omission of any discussion of children by others indicates that Richardson gave no credence to any such reports.
   
   1044 Ranulph's marriage to Maud
   
   Whatever her prior relationships, Maud and Ranulf were apparently married quite awhile before the conquest, as the age of their children would indicate.[5] Weber reports that Maud married Ranulf (Randolph) Peverel b: about 1030 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France[5]
   
   Geni also reports that Maud married Ranulph de Peverel, of Hatfield [6]
   
   The unanswered question here is that, if the marriage took place prior to the conquest, where were the parties based before the conquest, and how did the connection leading to marriage take place?
   
   Dugdale records that Ingelrica…is stated to have founded…in the time of King William Rufus a college of secular canons dedicated to St Mary Magdalen" at Hatfield Peverell which she entered and stayed until her death "about the year 1100"[312]. He does not reproduce the primary source which provides the basis for this information. [1]
   
   Geni reports that Maud died November 2, 1083 in Caen, Calvados, Normandy [6]. Only Geni gives a date and place for Maud's death, and does not explain why she died in Normandy.
   
   1056 St. Martin's Le Grand Church
   
   Both Jim Weber and Geni report an association with St. Martin's le Grand, London.[6] but do not explain or document the connection with the St. Martin's parish.
   
   About 1056, during the reign of Edward the Confessor, the collegiate church and monastic precinct of St. Martin's was rebuilt or founded by two brothers, Ingelric and Girard. [11]
   
   The precinct was within the City of London but not subject to its jurisdiction. According to a somewhat dubious tradition, the church dated to the 7th or 8th century and was founded by King Wihtred of Kent. [11]
   
   In 1068, the church's foundation was confirmed by a charter of William the Conqueror, dating to 1068. The church was responsible for the sounding of the curfew bell in the evenings, which announced the closing of the City's gates. It was dissolved by King Henry VIII and demolished in 1548. [11]
   
   Pamela Taylor provides further detail about the Ingelric mentioned at the Foundation of St. Martin in a scholarly article: [12]
   
   1085 Death of Ranulf
   
   Ranulf Peverel died after 1085 [1]
   
   1086 Domesday Land Holdings
   
   Cawley notes that the Domesday Book records “Ranulph Peverel” holding Ewelme in Oxfordshire; and numerous properties in Essex. [1]
   
   Wolcott notes a Ranulph Peverel as holding any tracts of land throughout England. [2]
   
   Issue
   
   Ranulf and Maud had the following children. There are questions about the paternity of the first William, raised by the legend that the first William was really sired by William of Normandy. There are always questions when a later child is given the same name as an earlier one, and this question affects the second William.
   1.William "The Elder" Peverel , of Nottingham b: ABT 1050 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children [5]. Cawley gives no birth, but shows 28 Jan 114 as a death date. [4] Said to be the son of Maud and William the Conqueror. Ingelrica (Maud) is said to be the mother of William Peverel. [4][13] William is one of three children named by Cawley. Named by Wolcott as son of Maud and King William I, born 1046. [2]
   2.Pagan (Pain) Peverel , of Brunne b: ABT 1060 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children [5]. Not named by Cawley. [4] Named by Wolcott as Payne, son of Ranulph, born 1054. Wolcott noted he was old enough in 1086 to be mentioned as holding land on that date. [2]
   3.Robert Peverel , of Bourne b: ABT 1065 in Vengeons, Manche, Normandy, France. Has children [5]. Cawley reports that Robert died after 1103. Henry I King of England confirmed the donation of the church of Lenton to Cluny, by charter dated to [1103/14], which records “Willelmo Peverello cum uxore sua Adaleida et filio suo Willelmo” as founders of the church and is subscribed by “…Roberti fratris Willelmi Pevrelli…”. [4] Not named by Wolcott.
   4.Hamon Peverel , of Brunne b: ABT 1067 in Bourn (Brunne), Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England. Has children [5]. Not named by Cawley. Named by Wolcott as Hamo, born 1050. [2]
   5.Emma Peverel b: ABT 1069 in Bourn, Caxton, Cambridgeshire, England. Has children [5]. Not named by Cawley.
   6.Ranulph Peverel; [6]. Not named by Weber. Cawley reports his death after 27 Jan 1091. "…Ranulfus Peverellis…" witnessed the charter dated 27 Jan 1091 under which William II King of England confirmed the status of Bath abbey[2357]. Assuming that the dates attributed to William, son of Ranulf Peverel, are correct as shown above, it is unlikely that Ranulf who witnessed this charter was William´s father. It is assumed therefore that he was another younger brother of William who is unrecorded elsewhere.] [4]
   7.William, born 1052. Named by Wolcott as William of Dover, of William fitz Ranulf, son of Ranulph and Maud, making this the second child of Maud named William. Not named by the others. [2]
   
   Research Notes
   
   Disambiguation
   
   Information related to two Gronwys, two Mauds, and two husbands of Maud is mixed both on WikiTree and the sources. The two Gronwys are:
   •Gronwy ap Tudur ap Rhys Sais ap Ednyfed, shown with life (1076-1110) but Boyer, p. 358, estimates birth 1100. Son of Tudur ap Rhys and Sionet ap Rhys. Married Maud ferch Indelric. Father of Sir Roger Powys and his brother Jonas. (Bartrum, via Boyer). Considerable data related to a wife Maud and her father Ingelric has been moved to Research Notes.
   •Gronwy Pefr, born, say, 995. No parents, spouse or children. Save profile in case ap Tudor-15 needs to be divided in two.
   
   The two Mauds are a generation apart, however a number of facts which may be applicable to one may be attributed to the other:
   •Maud de Ingelrica Peverel born, say, 1032, daughter of ingelric, wife of William Peverell.
   •Maud ferch Indelric, born, say 1083. No parents linked, but daughter of Ingelric and born about 1060, wife of Gronwy ap Tudur, born Wales 1076, or wife of Tudor ap Rhys Sais
   •It is unlikely that Maude, daughter of Ingelric and born about 1083, wife of Goronwy ap Tudor is the same person as Maude, daughter of Ingelric and born about 1032, wife of William Peverell.
   
   The husbands of Maud are:
   •Gronwy ap Tudur, born, say 1100, above.
   •Ranulf Wrenroc, born, say, 1009. Same as Ranulf de Peverel, but no merge until data cleaned. A search reveals no documentation for the word "Wrenroc" except in legends; it does appear in modern commercial establishments.
   •Ranulf de Peverel, born say 1020 in Normandy, France. Died England 1072. Same as Ranulf Wrenroc, but no merge until data cleaned. Married to Maud 5 Peverel children.
   •Tudor ap Rhys Sais
   
   Sources
   1.↑ 1.0 1.1 1.2 1.3 1.4 Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. PEVEREL FAMILIES of HATFIELD, ESSEX and NOTTINGHAM Accessed December 8, 2017. jhd
   2.↑ 2.00 2.01 2.02 2.03 2.04 2.05 2.06 2.07 2.08 2.09 2.10 Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. Welsh Origins of the Peveral Family Wolcott notes: Much of the genealogical data contained herein is of late, unproven origin and should not be relied upon. The purpose of this paper is primarily to examine what others claim to be true about the family, and create a timeline which will show the chronological errors contained in those accounts, and suggest a pedigree which eliminates earlier anachronisms. Accessed December 20, 2017. jhd
   3.↑ 3.0 3.1 3.2 3.3 Carl Boyer III. Medieval Welsh Ancestors of Certain Americans. By the author. Santa Clarita, California, 2004. Pages 356-358
   4.↑ 4.0 4.1 4.2 4.3 4.4 4.5 4.6 Charles Cawley. Foundation for Medieval Genealogy. Medieval Lands Database. William Peverel Accessed December 20, 2017 jhd
   5.↑ 5.00 5.01 5.02 5.03 5.04 5.05 5.06 5.07 5.08 5.09 5.10 5.11 5.12 Jim Weber. The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest Maud (Athelida) de Ingelrica Updated June 11, 2015. Accessed December 20, 2017. jhd
   6.↑ 6.0 6.1 6.2 6.3 6.4 6.5 Geni. Athelida de Ingelrica Added by: Dean Ronald Tanner, Sr. on May 12, 2007. Managed by: Henrik Nissen Sætness and 81 others. Curated by: Janet Palo-Jackson. Accessed December 20 2017. jhd
   7.↑ TAF (Todd A. Farmerie) 16 Feb 2007 msg to SGM, Subject: 2 questions re INGELRIC the Saxon (of England) cited by Curt Hofeman, Note to Jim Weber. The Phillips, Weber, Kirk, & Staggs families of the Pacific Northwest. Ingelric of England May 4, 2007. Accessed Dec 9, 2017 jhd
   8.↑ Newsgroup: soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com. Page: Leo van de Pas, 1 Jan 2001. Cited by Weber.
   9.↑ Charles Cawley, Foundation for Medieval Genealogy, Medieval Lands Database William the Conqueror
   10.↑ 10.0 10.1 Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Volume I, page 1-8
   11.↑ 11.0 11.1 11.2 Wikipedia. St. Martin's Le Grand Accessed Dec 22, 2017. jhd
   12.↑ Pamela Taylor Anglo-Norman Studies
   13.↑ Wikipedia. [1]
   

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