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• Hij is geboren in het jaar 1474 in England.
• Hij is overleden op 25 juni 1535 in England, hij was toen 61 jaar oud.
• Een kind van Henry VII Tudor. (Plantagenet) en FNU Breton Woman
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 13 juli 2023.

Gezin van Roland de Velville (de Vielleville, Veleville, Vieilleville). (Plantagenet) Constable of Beaumaris Castle

Hij is getrouwd met Agnes Velville (Griffith).

Zij zijn getrouwd.

Kind(eren):

1. Jane de Velville ( Plantagenet)  1525-1545 

Notities over Roland de Velville (de Vielleville, Veleville, Vieilleville). (Plantagenet) Constable of Beaumaris Castle

https://www.geni.com/people/Sir-Roland-Velville-of-Beaumaris/6000000000769936408

Sir Roland Velville, of Beaumaris
Gender:
Male
Birth:
1474¬â€ 
England
Death:
June 25, 1535¬â€ (61)¬â€ 
England
Immediate Family:
Son of¬â€ Henry VII of England¬â€ and¬â€ NN NN, Unknown Breton Woman¬â€ 
Husband of¬â€ Agnes Velville¬â€ 
Father of¬â€ Jane de Velville¬â€ and¬â€ Grace Glynn¬â€ 
Half brother of¬â€ Margaret Tudor, Queen Consort of Scots;¬â€ Henry VIII, King of England;¬â€ Elizabeth Margaret Tudor;¬â€ Mary Tudor, Queen of France;¬â€ Edmund Tudor, Duke of Somerset;¬â€ Arthur, Prince of Wales¬â€ and¬â€ Katherine Tudor¬â€ ¬´ less¬â€ 

Sir Roland de Vielville - Biography and Claims to being Edward's Son¬â€ http://www.peerage.org/genealogy/roland.htm

Sir Roland de Velville (1474-1535) 'A man of kingly line and of earl's blood' "...gwr o lin brenhinoedd ag o waed ieirll i gyd oedd,"
Extract from an elegy to Sir Roland de Velville by Daffyd Alaw (1535)
The home of Sir Roland de Velville's maternal family? The Chateau of Durtal, near Angers, from an old postcard.
Catherine of Berain - Sir Roland de Velville's grand-daughter. A slight resemblance to her contemporary, Elizabeth I?

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLAND,%20Kings%201066-1603.htm

http://www.thepeerage.com/p10142.htm#i101418

http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/aboutHenryVII.htm

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Sir Roland de Velville (also spelt Vielleville, Veleville or, probably more correctly, Vieilleville), Constable of Beaumaris Castle from 1509 to 1535 is reputed to have been a natural son of Henry VII, born to a Breton lady while Henry was in exile in Brittany between 1471 and 1485. In the past those historians or writers who have mentioned Velville have, as far as I can see, either accepted him as such or have referred to him as a 'reputed natural son' of Henry VII. I have found no indication that Velville was believed not to be a natural son of Henry VII prior to 1967, over 400 years after his death. Even today he continues to be accepted as a natural son of Henry VII, the most recent example being Alison Weir in her book 'Britain's Royal Families' (Pimlico, 1996). Even such an authoritative source as the Dictionary of Welsh Biography refers to Velville as 'a natural son of Henry VII' (under the entry for Katheryn of Berain).
In 1967 the late Professor S. B. Chrimes of Cardiff University, author of a major biography of Henry VII ('Henry VII', Eyre Methuen, 1972), published a short paper in Welsh Historical Review in which he put forward the opinion that Velville was not a natural son of Henry VII. This view was echoed in 1985 by Professor R. A. Griffiths of University College, Swansea, in his book 'The Making of the Tudor Dynasty'. In 1991 a further, much longer paper on the subject, by W. R. B. Robinson, was published in Welsh Historical Review. While Robinson identifies a number of significant errors and omissions in Chrimes earlier paper he nonetheless states that 'the review of available evidence tends to support Professor Chrimes scepticism about Velville's supposed Tudor origins'. This statement means, of course, that Robinson agrees that the available evidence is insufficient to establish de Velville's paternity beyond doubt, which is a very different thing from saying that the available evidence establishes beyond doubt that de Velville was not a son of Henry VII, which, of course, it does not do - as you will see.
A number of interesting questions about Velville still remain to be addressed, as follows:-
·Ä¢Why has Velville been attributed with a quartered coat of arms, which would seem to indicate that both his father and mother were known? Can his arms be traced in French sources and what link is there, if any, between Velville and the de Vieilleville family, Counts of Durtal? (Durtal is near Angers in France.) Was Velville's mother a daughter of this family?
·Ä¢What was Velville's date of birth? My family tree says 1474 but I don't know where this information came from.
·Ä¢Is it possible that Henry VII was actually married to Velville's mother (who may have died shortly after the marriage or in childbirth)? After all, Henry VII was 28 in 1485 and it was very unusual at that period for a man of that age to remain unmarried. In addition, prior to 1483 Henry had, on the face of it, virtually no prospect of succeeding to the throne of England, since there were several legitimate heirs living at that time, and even very little prospect of ever returning to that country - at least alive. He therefore had almost no incentive to remain unmarried and could have considered himself, as a penniless and untitled exile (he was plain 'Henry Tudor' at that stage) with a price on his head, quite lucky to marry into a good French family. The possibility should not be excluded.
For what it is worth, I am reasonably certain, on the basis of the evidence outlined below, that Roland de Velville was Henry VII's son. If you read the article by Professor Chrimes and the extracts from' The Making of the Tudor Dynasty' by Professor Griffiths, both Professors of Welsh History, you will be struck not only by the appalling standards of scholarship (the rudimentary errors of fact, the fundamental errors of logic, the assertions made without any evidence) but also by the manner in which one historian is clearly quite happy to follow blindly the obviously flawed arguments of another. In such a manner are errors and misconceptions perpetuated.
More than this, you will be struck by the tone of their arguments, which are dismissive to a degree which must make the fair-minded reader question their motives. Did Professor Chrimes seriously believe that Henry VII would have recognised a bastard son when the country had just emerged from a protracted, ruinous and bloody civil war (The Wars of the Roses), which were caused by the recognition of the bastard children of John of Gaunt? Did he think really think that Henry VII, notorious as the most cautious, crafty and secretive person ever to occupy the throne, would simply (and immediately) repeat the same mistake? Has Professor Griffiths (a Professor of Welsh history and an expert in the period) really never heard of the most powerful family in North Wales at the time, the Griffiths of Penrhyn?
If anyone manages to find out any more about these matters I will be very grateful to hear from them.
Graham Milne
July 1997
http://www.peerage.org/genealogy/roland.htm
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