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Persoonlijke gegevens Joanna de Dinham 

• Zij is geboren rond 1248 in Hertland, Devonshire, England.
• Zij is overleden na 22 februari 1308 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England.
• Zij is begraven in St Mawgan-in-Meneage Churchyard, Magwan, Cornwall, England.
• Een kind van Geoffrey de Dinham en FNU LNU Wife of Geoffrey de Dinham, Knt.
• Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 15 november 2022.

Gezin van Joanna de Dinham

Zij is getrouwd met Roger "Crusader" de Carminow.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1273 te in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.

Kind(eren):

1. Joan de Whalesborough (de Carminow)  ± 1270-± 1349 
2. Matilda (Beatrice) de Carminow  ± 1271-???? 
3. John de Carminow  ± 1280-± 1332 

Notities over Joanna de Dinham

Joanna de Dinham
Gender:
Female
Birth:
before circa 1258
Buckland Dinham, Somerset, England
Death:
after 1321
Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
Place of Burial:
St Mawgan-in-Meneage Churchyard, Magwan, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom

Immediate Family:
Daughter of Geoffrey de Dinham, Knt. and Geoffrey de Dinham's wife

Wife of Sir Roger de Carminow, "Crusader"
and John Arundell

Mother of Sir Oliver Carminow, Knt.; Richard de Carminow; Minanus ·ÄòMarcian·Äô de Carminow; Matilda "Beatrice" de Ferrers (de Carminow); Sir John de Carminow, Knt.; and Joan de Whalesborough (de Carminow)

Sister of Oliver de Dinham, lord of Hertland

https://www.geni.com/people/Joanna-de-Dinham/6000000000652639672

Joanna de Dinham is your 21st great grandmother.
You ¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
his father ·Üí Younger Welborn, II
his father ·Üí William "Billy" Welborn
his father ·Üí Aaron W Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí James Welborn
his father ·Üí Ann Wellborn (Crabtree)
his mother ·Üí Jane Ann Pendleton Crabtree (Halstead)
her mother ·Üí Grace Halstead (Courtney)
her mother ·Üí John Courtenay of Molland, III
her father ·Üí Margaret Courtenay (Wyndham)
his mother ·Üí Sir John Wyndham
her father ·Üí Florence Wadham
his mother ·Üí Sir John Wadham of Merifield
her father ·Üí Joan Wadham (Hill)
his mother ·Üí Robert Hill, Esq., of Hounsdon
her father ·Üí Raulfe Hill, of Houndston
his father ·Üí Matilda Dabeney, dame Latimer
his mother ·Üí Alianore ·ÄòEleanor·Äô Daubeney (de Willington)
her mother ·Üí Isabel de Willington (de Whalesborough)
her mother ·Üí Joan de Whalesborough (de Carminow) <<<
her mother ·Üí Joanna de Dinham
her mother

Joanna de Dinham is your 22nd great grandmother.
You¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H Welborn
his father ·Üí Younger Welborn
his father ·Üí William "Billy" Welborn
his father ·Üí Aaron Welborne
his father ·Üí James Welborn
his father ·Üí Ann B. Wellborn
his mother ·Üí Jane Ann Crabtree
her mother ·Üí Grace Halstead
her mother ·Üí Mary Courtenay
her mother ·Üí John Stucley, of Affeton
her father ·Üí Frances Stukeley
his mother ·Üí Anthony Monke of Potheridge, Esq.
her father ·Üí Thomas Monke of Potheridge, Esq.
his father ·Üí Anthony Monke of Powdering, Esq.
his father ·Üí Mary Monk (Champernon)
his mother ·Üí Richard Champernoun, of Hunshaw
her father ·Üí John Champernowne of Insworth
his father ·Üí Katherine Champernon (Lady Daubeney)
his mother ·Üí Eleanor de Willington
her mother ·Üí Isabel de Whalesborough
her mother ·Üí Joan de Carminow <<<
her mother ·Üí Joanna de Dinham
her mother

Joanna de Dinham is your 21st great grandmother.
You¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Henry Marvin Welborn¬â€ 
your father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Calhoun H Welborn¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Younger Welborn¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·ÜíWilliam "Billy" Welborn¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Aaron Welborne¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ James Welborn¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Ann B. Wellborn¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Jane Ann Crabtree¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·ÜíGrace Halstead¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John Courtenay of Molland, III¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Margaret Courtenay¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir John Wyndham¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Florence Wadham¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·ÜíJoan Wadham¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Lady Jane Tregarthen¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Lady Elizabeth Trethurffe¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Margaret Courtenay¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Thomas Carminow, Esq.¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíSir William Carminowe¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir Walter Carminow¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John de Carminow¬â€  <<<
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Joanna de Dinham¬â€ 
his mother

Joanna de Dinham is your 22nd great grandmother.
You¬â€  ·Üí Henry "Toad" Marvin Welborn, Jr.
your father ·Üí Heny Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
his father ·Üí GM Younger Welborn, II
his father ·Üí William "Billy" Welborn
his father ·Üí Aaron Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí James Welborn
his father ·Üí Ann B. Wellborn
his mother ·Üí William H. Crabtree
her father ·Üí James Thomas Crabtree
his father ·Üí Samuel Crabtree
his father ·Üí William Thomas Crabtree
his father ·Üí Grace Crabtree
his mother ·Üí George Courtenay
her father ·Üí John Courtney, MP, of Lanivet
his father ·Üí Richard Courtney
his father ·Üí Edmund Courtney
his father ·Üí Sir Philip Courtenay, of Powderham and Molland
his father ·Üí Joan Courtenay (Champernown)
his mother ·Üí Joan Champernowne
her mother ·Üí Martin Ferrers, of Newton Ferrers
her father ·Üí John de Ferrers
his father ·Üí Matilda (Beatrice) de Carminow <<<
his mother ·Üí Joanna de Dinham
her mother

https://www.geni.com/people/Joanna-de-Dinham/6000000000652639672

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Joanna de Dinham
Birth: 1248 in Buckland Dinham, Somerset, England
ALT birth: abt 1265 Hartland, Bideford, Devon, England
Death: after 22 Feb 1309 - Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
ALT death: after 1321 - Grey Friars, Bodmin, Cornwall, England
Burial: St Mawgan-in-Meneage Churchyard, Magwan, Cornwall, England, United Kingdom
Geoffrey de Dinham (d Dec 1258). No mother identified.
ALT father: Oliver de Dinham (d 1299) (otherwise her brother)
Family
Married
on 1273 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Sir Roger CARMINOWE Knight. Born 1240 and died August 1308, son of Roger de Carminowe (b abt 1210) & Sarah Harnacote.
after 1308 married to John Arundel.

They had the following children:
M i Sir Oliver CARMINOWE Sheriff of Cornwall was born 1274 and died 23 Dec 1343. Oliver- b. 1278, m.1. Elizabeth Pomeroy sister of John Holland, Duke of Exeter 2. Isolda daughter of Reginald Ferrers 3. about 1335 Sibell ______, d. 1345
M ii Sir John CARMINOWE Knight was born 1276 and died 2 Dec 1331. m. JANE (2) GLYNN, d. Nov. 1331
M iii Richard CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1279 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
M iv Minanus CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1282 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England. Married Thomasine. - d.s.p.
F v Matilda CARMINOWE was born 1285. Matilda- m. 1. Sir William Ferrers, 2. Baro de Slane, 3. John Bonville, 4. Champernon de Berr Ferris
F vi Joan CARMINOWE was born 1288 and died after 6 Nov 1348. Joanna- m. William de Wellesbro(14) (d. 1329) d. after 1332
Family note
She is shown as Johanna, no last name, but remarried to a John Arundell, in Parochial and and Family History of the Parishes of St. Teath and Temple in the County of Cornwall, page 70: < Archive.Org >

Court Records
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dinham-6
Ped. fin. 14 Edw. II, No. 1, settles the land therein named as the marriage portion of Johanna, mother of Sir Oliver Carminowe, on Oliver and Elizabeth his wife and their heirs, in default remainder to John, Richard and Minanus brothers of Oliver, and in default then to William de Walesbro and Jane his wife, and in default to the right heirs of the said Oliver.
Scope and Content (Saturday St Peter's Chair, 2 Edw [II]); at Merthin
Agreement for assignment of dower
Oliver de Carmynou = (1)
Lady Joan who was wife of Roger de Carmynou, knight = (2)
Agreement between (1) and (2) for assignment of dower to (2) from the manors of Carmynou, Wynienton, Trezeued, Merthin, Kenel, Eglosros, Trelewith, Dysard, Resker and Hornicote, and the advowsons of the churches of Wyteston, Eglosros, Sanctus Rumon Maior and Sanctus Rumon Minor in Tyrhard.
(1) has assigned to (2) in name of dower the manors of Merthin and Wynienton, the whole land of Kenel, and £7 worth (librate) of land and rent in the manor of Eglosros, from the following tenements: of Trelong' £4 4s, vill of Trenustel 38s, tenement of John Boya in Penmene 10s, tenement of Alice de eadem 5s, tenement of John Batiz de Eglosros 2s, tenement of John Jacke de Eglosros 12d; for the advowsons of those churches he has assigned to her the advowson of the church of Eglosros with the advowson of the church of Eglosros [sic; read 'with appurtenances']. (2) shall hold all these of (1) during her life in name of dower.
Seal [of (2)? Good, showing arms of Carminow (a bend, without the label of three) and of Dinham (five lozenges); 'Sig... Carminno'].
Trezeued [= Tretheves, in Landewednack]
Trelewith [= Treloweth, in St Mewan]
Dysard [= Dizzard, St Gennys]
Resker [= Rosecare, in St Gennys]
Hornicate [= Hornacaott, in North Tamerton]
Wyteston [= Whitstone]
Eglosros [= Philleigh]
Sanctus Rumon Minor in Tyrhard [= Ruan Minor]
Carminno 1309 [seal]
Note on date: the clause is 'Die Sabbati in festo Beati Petri in Cathedra, anno regni Regis Edwardi secundo'; but 22nd Feb was not a Saturday in 1274, whereas it was so in 1309, so Edward II must be intended though not stated. In any case, Roger de Carminow died in 1308 (the writ for his Ipm. is dated 20th Dec 1308, and the inquisition 16th Jan 1309; [George] Oliver, [Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis] his son was then aged over 30). Joan de Carminow was still alive in 1321, Feet of Fines 467; W. Worcs saw her obit in Greyfriars, Bodmin, dated 1299 x 1329. The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known (though it is asserted, without authority, by J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundell, p. 257b)."

Origins
From https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dinham-6 last modified 12 Feb 2018
< Evidence that Joan was a Dinham >
In 1309 Joan, widow of Roger Carminow, made an agreement about her dower with her eldest son Oliver. The document has a seal with the arms of Carminow and Dinham together: "The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known (though it is asserted, without authority, by J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundell, p. 257b)." Quoted < here >, which goes on to say: "Oliver de Dinham held the lands of Roger de Carminow senior and the wardship of his heir in 1277, according to James Whetter's "Cornwall in the Thirteenth Century", page 151. Whetter goes on to name Joan, wife of Roger junior, as being a Dinham."
It appears that Oliver Dinham, guardian of the underage Roger Carminow and Roger's inheritance, arranged Roger's marriage to his daughter Joan, whose eldest son was named Oliver.

Extracted from W.C. Wade, Extinct Cornish Families, Part II (1891) < link >
The tomb at Mawgan-in-Menage is that of Sir Roger Carminow, the most distinguished member of his family. He was the grandson of Robert Carminow, of whom the first regular record is traceable in Col. Vivian and Dr. Drake's Cornish pedigrees. The surname of his wife, whose figure lies beside his, is lost; but her Christian name was Joanna, which seemed afterwards to have become a favourite one in this family.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91296452/roger-carminowe

Extracted from Sir Roger de Carminow, "Crusader"
In the Lady chapel are the effigies of Sir Roger De Carminow (A descendant of King Arthur) and his widow Lady Johanna. At the beginning of the reign of James I the effigies were removed from the thirteenth century Carminow Chapel. The life size freestone is in the wall recess under the window and shows the dress and equipment of a knight of the period. The effigy is badly worn and defaced, and the illustration is partly a reconstruction based on similar monuments elsewhere. His crossed legs reveal faith in the resurrection, and the fact he was a crusader, he was with Edward I in the last crusade of the Palestinian holy war, and in the 1296 Scottish war. he died in 1308. His Knights sword and shield display the bend of the Carminow arms. A small triangular shield with a plain "bend", or diagonal band.

References
Parochial and and Family History of the Parishes of St. Teath and Temple in the County of Cornwall, ·ÄúPedigrees of the Families of Carminow, Hornicote, Bloyou, and Tinten.·Äù Page 70: < Archive.Org >
The Visitations of Cornwall: Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573 & 1620, p. 72 < GoogleBooks > လ Roger de Carmynowe married Joanna, [Ped.fin.14, Edw. II, No. 1] Obit. Grey Friars', Bodmin, between 1299 and 1329, dominæ de Kaermynaw. William of Worcester.
Journal of the Royal Institution of Cornwall, by Royal Institution of Cornwall. (1864). ·ÄúEarly Pedigree of Carminow, of Carminow (corrected)·Äù. Page 149. < Archive.Org >
Hal Bradley - လSelected Families and Individuals.ဝ < link > (လJoan de Dinham, b 1248, daughter of Sir Geoffrey de DINHAM Knightဝ ဦ ) cites
1. MacLean, John, The Parochial and Family History of the Deanery of Trigg Minor, in the County of Cornwall (London: Nichols & Son, 1873-1879.), 3:158, Family History Library, 942.37 K2ma.
2. Vivían, John Lambrick, The Visitations of Cornwall: Comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573 & 1620 (Exeter: Pollard, 1887.), p. 72, Los Angeles Public Library, Gen 942.37 V858.
3. The National Archives, AR/35/1 - 2
Medievalist Ronny Bodine at soc.genealogy.medieval has her a generation later, as daughter of Geoffrey·Äôs son Oliver (d 26 Feb 1299) and sister of Josce/Joyce de Dinham (died 30 Mar 1301). https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/5_L4n1kMODc/m/.... ·Äú From the foregoing and the apparent chronology provided therein, and by Ronny Bodine in prior SGM posts [2], it would appear most likely that Joan, wife of Roger de Carminow and mother of (A) Oliver de Carminow and (B) Joan de Carminow, wife of William de Whalesborough, was a sibling of Sir Josce de Dinham (fl. ca. 1273-1300) and a daughter of Sir Oliver de Dinham of Hartland, Nutwell and Ilsington, Devon, Buckland Denham, Somerset and Cardinham, Cornwall (d. 26 Feb 1298/9). This would add a bit to the ancestry of the Carminow and Whalesborough families.
http://powys.org/pl_tree/ps21/ps21_394.html ·ÄúJoan de Carminow was still alive in 1321, Feet of Fines 467; W.Worcs saw her obit in Greyfriars, Bodmin, dated 1299 x 1329. The arms on the shield suggest that Joan was a Dinham by birth, which seems not to be otherwise known (though it is asserted, without authority, by J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundell, p. 257b)."[1]
[1] PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice [AR/17 - AR/50], AR/35/1] Note: the notation calling Oliver de Carminow "George Oliver, Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis" [bracketed above] is a recurrent transcription error in the Arundell files on the PRO.
J.P. Yeatman, The Early Genealogical History of the House of Arundel (1882) < FamilySearch book link>, p. 257b. < link >; p. 264 ·ÄúThe Dinham Family.·Äù < link >
John Pym Yeatman (1830·Äì1910) was a barrister and influential proponent of British Israelism. He has been described as "outspoken, quarrelsome, no respecter of rank and reputation and cursed with a self-destructive streak".[1]
WRIGHT, C. J. ·ÄúTHE MAN WHO WROTE ON THE MANUSCRIPTS IN THE BRITISH MUSEUM.·Äù The British Library Journal, vol. 12, no. 1, 1986, pp. 76·Äì85. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/42554234. Accessed 14 Nov. 2022. Yeatman, a barrister, is mentioned on page 78.
http://powys.org/pl_tree/ps21/ps21_393.html Notes for Sir Roger de Carminowe: ·ÄúIPM Chan. 2 Edw II, No 72.·Äù
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwfurtaw&...
https://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p1617...
https://www.our-royal-titled-noble-and-commoner-ancestors.com/p482.... cites
[S1401] Unknown author, The Complete Peerage, by Cokayne, Vol. IV, p. 369, notes; Wallop Family, p. 275.
[S16] Douglas Richardson, Magna Carta Ancestry, 2nd Edition, Vol. I, p. 535-536.
[S4] Douglas Richardson, Royal Ancestry, Vol. II, p. 320
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/91296651/joanna-carminowe
https://www.werelate.org/wiki/Person:Joanna_Dinham_(1)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Dinham-6 cites
Gen-Medieval on rootsweb - 30 April 2004 posting of Mary Harry (dunsland. yahoo.com) re: Roger de Carminow and his wife Joan (de Dinham); 18 April 2004 posting John P. Ravilious (therav3 .com) re: Roger de Carminow and his wife Joan (de Dinham) (ref: PRO, Cornwall Record Office: Arundell of Lanherne and Trerice, [AR/17 - AR/50], AR/35/1]. Note: the notation calling Oliver de Carminow "George Oliver, Monasticon Dioecesis Exoniensis" [bracketed above] is a recurrent transcription error in the Arundell files on the PRO.)
https://www.genealogics.org/getperson.php?personID=I00561596&tree=LEO (No parents listed)
http://www.cybergata.com/roots/21666.htm (Lists as daughter of Oliver de Dinham, lord of Hertland by unknown 1st wife)
https://www.stirnet.com/genie/data/british/cc4aq/carminowe1.php (No parents listed)
·ÄúRoger de Carminow and his wife Joan (de Dinham)·Äù SGM, John P. Ravilious et al, Apr 19, 2004. https://groups.google.com/g/soc.genealogy.medieval/c/5_L4n1kMODc/m/...
·ÄúCarminowe·Äù < link > https://sites.rootsweb.com/~mainegenie/CRM.htm

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Joanna de Dinham
born 1248 in Buckland Dinham, Somerset, England
died 3 after 22 Feb 1309
Father: Geoffrey III DE DINHAM b: Abt 1200 in "Of" Hertland, Devonshire, England
Mother: unknown

Married
on 1273 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England to Sir Roger CARMINOWE Knight. He was the son of Roger de Carminowe (b abt 1210) & Sarah Harnacote.
They had the following children:
¬â€  M i Sir Oliver CARMINOWE Sheriff of Cornwall was born 1274 and died 23 Dec 1343.
¬â€  M ii Sir John CARMINOWE Knight was born 1276 and died 2 Dec 1331.
¬â€  M iii Richard CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1279 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
¬â€  M iv Minanus CARMINOWE 1, 2 was born 1282 in Carminowe, Cornwall, England.
¬â€  F v Matilda CARMINOWE was born 1285.
¬â€  F vi Joan CARMINOWE was born 1288 and died after 6 Nov 1348.

The Visitation of the county of Cornwall in 1530
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hwbradley/aqwg180...
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=rwfurtaw&...

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Father: Geoffrey De Dinham b: ABT 1200 in Buckland Dinham, Somerset, England
Marriage 1 Roger Carminow Lord of Trelowith b: ABT 1240 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
* Married: ABT 1266 in Hartland, Devon
Children
1. Has No Children John De Carminow b: ABT 1268 in Trenowyth, Cornwall, England
2. Has Children Joan Carminow b: ABT 1270 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
3. Has No Children Maud De Carminow b: ABT 1271 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
4. Has No Children Margaret De Carminow b: ABT 1272
5. Has No Children Minanus De Carminow b: ABT 1274
6. Has No Children Richard De Carminow b: ABT 1276
7. Has Children Oliver Carminow Lord of Trelowith b: ABT 1284 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England
8. Has No Children Reginald De Carminow b: ABT 1280
9. Has No Children Roger III De Carminow b: ABT 1282
10. Has No Children Thomas De Carminow b: ABT 1284
11. Has No Children Walter De Carminow b: ABT 1288
12. Has No Children John De Carminow b: ABT 1290 in Trenowyth, Cornwall, England

Born: 1248, Buckland Dinham, Somerset, England
Alternate Birth; 1244, Hartland, Devonshire, England.
Marriage Information: Married: Abt 1266, Hartland, Devonshire, England
Joanna married Sir Roger DE CARMINOW Lord of Trelowith, son of Roger CARMYNOWE and Sarah DE HORNACOTE, about 1266 in Hartland, Devonshire, England. (Sir Roger DE CARMINOW Lord of Trelowith was born in 1240 in Trelowith Manor, St Mewan, Cornwall, England 2362 and died in 1308.)

CHILDREN OF Joanna de Dinham and Sir Roger DE CARMINOW Lord of Trelowith;
Margaret CARMINOW
Sir Oliver DE CARMINOW+
Sir John CARMYNOWE Kt.+
Joane CARMINOW(E)+
Richard CARMINOWE
Minanus CARMINOWE
Matilda CARMYNOWE+
Reginald CARMINOW
Roger CARMINOW
Thomas CARMINOW
Walter CARMINOW

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