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- Zij is geboren rond 1182 in Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England.
- Zij is overleden rond oktober 1242 in Gressenhall, Mitford, Norfolk, England.
- Een kind van Hugh de Say, of Richard's Castle en Mabel Marmion
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Gezin van Margaret de Say of Richard's Castle, Baroness of Burford
(1) Zij is getrouwd met Robert de Mortimer.
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(2) Zij is getrouwd met William de Stuteville.
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Margaret de Say of Richard's Castle, Baroness of Burford is your 25th great grandmother.
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his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Margaret de Say of Richard's Castle, Baroness of Burford‰
her mother
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Margaret de Say of Richard's Castle, Baroness of Burford is your 23rd great grandmother.
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his father ·Üí Margaret de Say of Richard's Castle, Baroness of Burford
his mother
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Margery de Say, baroness of Burford
Gender:
Female
Birth:
between circa 1190 and 1196
Richard's Castle, Ludlow, Herefordshire, England
Death:
circa 1230 (29-48)
Gressenhall, Mitford, Norfolk, England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Hugh de Say, of Richard's Castle, 5th baron of Burford and Mabel Marmion
Wife of Hugh de Ferrieres, Lord of Lechlade / 6th Baron of Burford; Robert de Mortimer, lord of Richard·Äôs Castle and William de Stuteville, baron of Burford
Mother of Unknown Burford; Hugh de Mortimer of Richard's Castle, Baron of Burford; William de Mortimer, Knight; Robert de Stuteville and Margery de Stuteville
Sister of Lucy De Say and Hugh FitzHugh de Say
from fmgMedlands
a) MARGERY de Say ([1190/96]-1230). The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified. Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166 (but added later), record that "Robertus de Mortuo mari" held 23 knights·Äô fees "in honore Castelli Ricardi" with "filia Hugonis de Say hâ¶rede Osberti filii Hugonis" in Herefordshire[497]. The sheriff of Essex was ordered to cause "Margaret de Say, who was the wife of Robert de Mortimer" to have "the rightful dower of the lands formerly of Robert her former husband", dated to [Jul] 1219[498]. "Margareta de Say filia Hugonis de Sai, quondam uxor Roberti de Mortuomari" quitclaimed to the monks of Worcester Cathedral priory certain services due to her from their manor of Boraston by charter dated 1219[499]. Henry III King of England consented to the marriage of "Margaretam que fuit uxor Roberti de Mortuo Mari" and "Willelmus de Stutevill" dated 23 Nov 1219[500]. "William de Stuteville" paid a fine to marry "Margaret who was the wife of Robert de Mortimer", dated to [Nov] 1219[501]. The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1230 of ·ÄúMargerie de Say·Äù[502]. Inquisitiones dated 20 May 1259 record that "William de Scoteville" held the manors of Wychbold and Cotheridge in Worcestershire from "Margery his wife" and name "Sir Hugh de Mortuo Mari son of the said Margery" as her next heir and of full age[503]. m firstly (1197 or after) HUGH de Ferrers of Lechlade, son of WALKELIN de Ferrers & his wife --- (-1204). m secondly ([6 May 1209/Jun 1211]) ROBERT de Mortimer, son of ROGER [III] de Mortimer & his [second] wife Isabel de Ferrers (-before [Jul] 1219). m thirdly (Royal licence 23 Nov 1219) WILLIAM de Stuteville, son of WILLIAM de Stuteville & his wife --- (-before 20 May 1259).
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From http://www.rpi.edu/~holmes/Hobbies/Genealogy/ps25/ps25_451.htm
Cokayne, G.E. "Mortimer of Richard's Castle" in "The
Complete Peerage" Vol. IX, pp.258-261.
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MARGARET DE SAY, BARONESS OF BURFORD
IN 1197 Margaret Say married Hugh Ferrers AND TOOK THE BARONY OF BURFORD TO HIM IN MARRIAGE. Hugh was the son of Walkelin Ferrers of Oakham, in Rutland, and his sister, Isabella (d. 1253) was married to Margarets Say's neighbor, Roger Mortimer of Wigmore (d. 1214). However, his career as Lord of Burford proved short lived and he died probably in 1204, leaving Margaret as the widowed baroness of Richard's Castle and Burford.
Any such independence she did have was soon removed when King John granted her lands to the custody of Earl Thomas Galway of Athol, a commission he held until 30 June 1207, when King John ordered Thomas to surrender the castles of Stapleton and Richard's Castle back to the hands of royal bailiffs. Thomas was later disgraced.
In June 1211 Robert Mortimer of Essex married the widowed Margaret Say and consequently held Richard's Castle for the rest of his life in right of his wife, although he only seems to have managed to acquire 5 1/2 fees of the barony initially. Robert Mortimer died in the summer of 1219, around the same time as he was presented by Margaret Say with a son and heir, Hugh Mortimer (d. 1275).
On 23 November 1219 Margaret married her third and final husband, William Stuteville, who was to hold Richard's Castle and Burford until his death in 1259, much to the eventual chagrin of Margaret's son and heir, Hugh Mortimer. William Stuteville's career as Lord of Burford does not seem to have been very eventful, and we can expect that little capital was expended on the borough or castle, as it was to be held only for William's lifetime and was repeatedly claimed by William's son-in-law, Hugh Mortimer. By holding the castles of Richard's Castle, Stapleton, and mayber Bleddfa, William Stuteville was a marcher baron and, as such, it is no surprise to find Robert Bund receiving 6d from the king on 1 October 1226 for going to visit Hugh Mortimer (of Wigmore) and William Stuteville.
At Easter 1242, Hugh, the son of Robert Mortimer, launched a determined attempt to gain his mother's lands, probably on the occasion of her death. The attempt failed, but in 1243 Hugh was granted his mother's hereditary lands of Homme (Hamme) and Clifton on Teme in Worcestershire and Cascob (Cascope) in Radnorshire as a settlement by his father-in-law. It is interesting that no castle was mentioned at Homme and it may be presumed that the old motte of Richard Fitz Scrope set in the now peaceful Worcestershire had long been derelict. The same is probably also true of Tenbury, or Burford motte, the town of Tenbury Wells offering far better accommodation to the Lord of Burford than an ancient and obsolete castle.
William Stuteville died before 20 May 1259 when Sir Hugh Mortimer, aged 40, inherited Richard's Castle and the BURFORD BARONY.
www.castles99.ukpring.com/Essays/richards.html
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm#MargerySaydied1230
Hugh de Say [I] adopted the name Say from his motherမs family, as can be seen for example in the [1172/85] charter which is quoted below.‰
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HUGH de Say [I], son of HUGH FitzOsbern & his wife Eustachia de Say (-1190).¬â ·ÄúOsbertus filius Hugonis·Äù donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, at the request of ·Äúdomini Walteri de Clifford·Äù for the souls of "uxoris suⶠMargaretⶠet·Ä¶Rosamundⶠfiliⶠsuâ¶", with the consent of "Hugonis fratris mei", by undated charter[486].¬â "Osbertus filius Hugonis" confirmed the settlement of his dispute with the monks of Worcester Cathedral priory concerning the boundaries of their woods at Cornwood by charter dated to [1170], witnessed by "Hugone de Sai fratre meo·Ä¶"[487].¬â "Osbern fitz Hugh" donated a virgate at Richard·Äôs Castle to Haughmond Abbey by charter dated to [1172/85], witnessed by "Walter de Clifford, Walter his son, Hugh de Say and Lucie his wife"[488].¬â ·ÄúWalterus de Clifford·Äù donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, for the souls of "uxoris meⶠMargaretⶠde Clifford et filiⶠnostrⶠRosamundâ¶", by undated charter witnessed by "Osbertus filius Hugonis, Hugo de Sey·Ä¶"[489].¬â "Osbern de Say and·Ä¶his brother Hugh" confirmed a charter of Baldwin Bishop of Worcester, dated to after Aug 1180[490].¬â
m as her first husband, LUCY, daughter of WALTER Clifford & his wife Margaret ---.¬â "Hugh de Say and Lucia his wife, daughter of Walter de Clifford, son of Richard fitz Poncius" donated the mill of Rocheforde to Haughmond Abbey by undated charter, witnessed by "Walter de Clifford de Clifford junior, Richard de Clifford his brother", later confirmed by "Walter de Clifford, son of Walter, son of Richard fitz Poncius" who names Hugh de Say·Äôs wife as his sister, witnessed by "Hugh de Say and Richard de Clifford"[491].¬â ·ÄúOsbertus filius Hugonis·Äù donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, at the request of ·Äúdomini Walteri de Clifford·Äù for the souls of "uxoris suⶠMargaretⶠet·Ä¶Rosamundⶠfiliⶠsuâ¶", with the consent of "Hugonis fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Waltero de Clifford, Ricardo filio suo et Lucia filia sua·Ä¶"[492].¬â "Osbern fitz Hugh" donated a virgate at Richard·Äôs Castle to Haughmond Abbey by charter dated to [1172/85], witnessed by "Walter de Clifford, Walter his son, Hugh de Say and Lucie his wife"[493].¬â She married secondly Bartholomew de Mortimer.¬â "Lucia de Say daughter of Walter de Clifford" donated land in Rocheforde to Haughmond Abbey, with the consent of "her son Hugh de Say", by undated charter, witnessed by "Hugh de Say, Walter de Clifford", but later released claims of the abbey to land in Rochford with the consent of "Bartholomew de Mortimer her husband"[494].¬â
Hugh & his wife had three children:‰
1.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ HUGH de Say [II] ([1165/70]-killed in battle ([1196]).‰ "Lucia de Say daughter of Walter de Clifford" donated land in Rocheforde to Haughmond Abbey, with the consent of "her son Hugh de Say", by undated charter, witnessed by "Hugh de Say, Walter de Clifford"[495].‰ The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "Hugo de Say" paying "xxiii l, xxiii milites" in Herefordshire, and granted delay to pay in Berkshire[496].‰ m as her first husband, MABEL, daughter of ROBERT [IV] Marmion & his wife ---.‰ She married secondly (before Mar 1200) Reginald ---.‰ Hugh & his wife had one child:‰
a)¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â ¬â MARGERY de Say ([1190/96]-1230).¬â The primary source which confirms her first marriage has not yet been identified.¬â ¬â Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166 (but added later), record that "Robertus de Mortuo mari" held 23 knights·Äô fees "in honore Castelli Ricardi" with "filia Hugonis de Say hâ¶rede Osberti filii Hugonis" in Herefordshire[497].¬â The sheriff of Essex was ordered to cause "Margaret de Say, who was the wife of Robert de Mortimer" to have "the rightful dower of the lands formerly of Robert her former husband", dated to [Jul] 1219[498].¬â "Margareta de Say filia Hugonis de Sai, quondam uxor Roberti de Mortuomari" quitclaimed to the monks of Worcester Cathedral priory certain services due to her from their manor of Boraston by charter dated 1219[499].¬â Henry III King of England consented to the marriage of "Margaretam que fuit uxor Roberti de Mortuo Mari" and "Willelmus de Stutevill" dated 23 Nov 1219[500].¬â "William de Stuteville" paid a fine to marry "Margaret who was the wife of Robert de Mortimer", dated to [Nov] 1219[501].¬â The Annals of Worcester record the death in 1230 of ·ÄúMargerie de Say·Äù[502].¬â Inquisitiones dated 20 May 1259 record that "William de Scoteville" held the manors of Wychbold and Cotheridge in Worcestershire from "Margery his wife" and name "Sir Hugh de Mortuo Mari son of the said Margery" as her next heir and of full age[503].¬â m firstly (1197 or after) HUGH de Ferrers of Lechlade, son of WALKELIN de Ferrers & his wife --- (-1204).¬â m secondly ([6 May 1209/Jun 1211]) ROBERT de Mortimer, son of ROGER [III] de Mortimer & his [second] wife Isabel de Ferrers (-before [Jul] 1219).¬â m thirdly (Royal licence 23 Nov 1219) WILLIAM de Stuteville, son of WILLIAM de Stuteville & his wife --- (-before 20 May 1259).¬â
2.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ RICHARD de Say of Rochford (-after 1200).‰ "Richard de Say" donated property at Givele to Montacute priory, to keep the anniversary of "the lady Lucy the grantorမs mother", by undated charter which names "his brother Sir Gilbert"[504].‰
3.‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ ‰ GILBERT de Say (-after 1210).‰ "Richard de Say" donated property at Givele to Montacute priory, to keep the anniversary of "the lady Lucy the grantorမs mother", by undated charter which names "his brother Sir Gilbert"[505].‰ The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Gilbertus de Say" holding one knightမs fee "in Givele" in Dorset, Somerset in [1210/12][506].‰ m MATILDA de Clivedon, daughter of MATTHEW de Clivedon & his wife --- de Montagu (-after 1223).‰ Her parentage and marriage are confirmed by a claim dated 1223, noted by Bracton, by "Willelmus filius Drogonis de Monte Acutoဦinfra etatem" against "Matheum de Cliuedona" for "ecclesiam de Suttonaဦadvocacionem", the defendant claiming that "Willelmus de Monte Acuto avus predicti Willelmi" gave the advocacy to "Gilberto de Say inဦmaritagium cum Matillide nepte sua filia eiusdem Mathei"[507].‰
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