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Persoonlijke gegevens Margaret le Gras
- Zij is geboren rond 1170 in Wiltshire, England.
- Zij is overleden rond 1242 in Dudley, Worcestershire, England.
- Een kind van William le Gras Groos gras grace en Maud FitzJohn Marshall
- Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 3 augustus 2018.
Gezin van Margaret le Gras
Zij is getrouwd met Ralph II (De) Somery de Somery.
Zij zijn getrouwd.
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Notities over Margaret le Gras
Margaret le Gras is your 24th great grandmother.
You‰
‰ ‰ ᆒ‰ Geneva Allene Welborn‰
your mother‰ ᆒ‰ Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Edith Lucinda Smith‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ William M Lee, Will‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Britton Lee‰
his fatherᆒ‰ William Samuel Lee‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Lemuel Lee‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Edward Lee, I‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Mary Lee‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ William Bryan, I‰
her father‰ ᆒJohn Smith Bryan, of Nansemond‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Catherine Bryan (Morgan)‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Catherine Morgan‰
her mother‰ ᆒ‰ Nicholas Herbert‰
her father‰ ᆒMathew Herbert, of Swansea‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Elizabeth Herbert‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Sir Thomas Berkeley, Knight of Beverstone Castle‰
her father‰ ᆒ‰ Edward Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒSir Maurice Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir John de Berkeley, of Beverston, MP‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Thomas de Berkeley, 3rd Baron Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒMaurice de Berkeley, 2nd Lord of Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Thomas de Berkeley, 1st Baron Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒ‰ Sir Maurice "The Resolute" de Berkeley‰
his father‰ ᆒJoan de Berkeley‰
his mother‰ ᆒ‰ Margaret le Gras‰
her mother
Margaret le Gras is your 22nd great grandmother.
You
‰ ᆒ Geneva Allene Welborn
your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith, Sr.
her father ·Üí Edith Lucinda Smith
his mother ·Üí William M LEE, Will
her father ·Üí Britton Lee
his father ·Üí William Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Lemuel Samuel Lee
his father ·Üí Edward Lee, Sr.
his father ·Üí Mary Bryan
his mother ·Üí William Bryan, I
her father ·Üí John Smith Bryan
his father ·Üí William Bryan
his father ·Üí Sir Francis Bryan, II, Justicar of Ireland
his father ·Üí Sir Francis Bryan I "The Vicar of Hell", Lord Chief Justice of Ireland
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas Bryan, II, Kt.
his father ·Üí Thomas Bryan, Chief Justice of the Common Pleas
his father ·Üí Edmund Bryan, I
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas Bryan
his father ·Üí Guy de Brienne, 1st Baron of Bryan, KG
his father ·Üí Lord Brienne, Baron Chastel, Guy de Brien
his father ·Üí Sibil de Sully
his mother ·Üí Mabel de Sully
her mother ·Üí Roger de Somery, Baron Dudley
her father ·Üí Margaret le Gras
his mother
https://www.geni.com/people/Margaret-le-Gras/6000000003051263516
Margaret le Gras
Gender:
Female
Birth:
circa 1170
Wiltshire, England
Death:
circa 1242 (64-80)
Dudley, Worcestershire, , England
Immediate Family:
Daughter of William Le Gras and Maud FitzJohn Marshall
Wife of Maurice Gant (Fitzhardin and Ralph Ii de Somery
Mother of Roger de Somery, Baron Dudley; Ralph III de Somery; Joan de Berkeley; William Percival de Somery; Stephen de Somery; Maud de Somery and Isabel de Somery ¬´ less
Sister of William le Gras
Half sister of Edmund Le Gras
Complete Peerage erroneously calls her a sister of William le Marshal, Earl of Pembroke, not his sister. She was his niece. See the relevant discussion at soc.genealogy.medieval.
Historian Douglas Richardson bases his proposition on John Hunt's book, Lordship and the Landscape (1994), which discusses the early history of the Somery family. "On pages 34·Äì35," Richardson writes, "he presents concrete evidence from the Brooksby Cartulary that Ralph de Somery's wife, Margaret, was actually the daughter of William le Gras, which William is thought to have been married to a sister of Earl William Marshal. Thus, it would appear that Margaret de Somery was the Earl's niece,"
This makes the following models obsolete:
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Margaret MARSHALL [Pedigree]
Daughter of John FITZGILBERT (1106-1165) and Sybil de Salisbury (1120-)
Married Sir Ralph de SOMERY Baron Dudley (1151-1210)
Children: [listed under entry for Ralph de SOMERY]
Sources:
1. "Some Early English Pedigrees",
Vernon M. Norr.
2. "Ancestral roots of certain American colonists who came
to America before 1700",
Frederick Lewis Weis, 1992, seventh edition.
The earlier editions were called: "Ancestral roots of
sixty colonists who came to New England 1623-1650"
Margaret Marshal1
F, #129624
Last Edited=18 Sep 2004
Margaret Marshal is the daughter of John Marshal.1
Child of Margaret Marshal and Sir Ralph de Somery
Joan de Somery+1 d. a 1273
Citations
[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 127. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
Margaret Marshall was a sister of William Marshal, Earl of Pembroke.
She was born before 1165.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p54.htm#i8401 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
She was born before 1165.
See "My Lines"
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p54.htm#i8401 )
from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA
( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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From Medlands:
RALPH [II] de Somery (-[Jan/Jul] 1210). m (before 1194) as her first husband, MARGARET Crassus, daughter of WILLIAM [III] Crassus & his wife [--- Marshal] (-after 14 Jun 1247). Her parentage and first marriage are confirmed by a charter [dated to before 1194] under which ·ÄúWilliam le Gros·Äù gave land at Little Dalby to ·ÄúRalph Somery·Äù as part of the marriage contract for his daughter Margaret[1322].
[The Complete Peerage names ·ÄúMargaret m 1stly Ralph de Somerey, 2ndly Maurice de Gaunt·Äù as the first daughter of John FitzGilbert ·Äúthe Marshal·Äù and his second wife[1323]. If right, this would mean that she was Margaret Marshal, daughter of John Marshal & his second wife Sibyl of Salisbury. From a chronological point of view, it cannot be correct. The births of the children of John FitzGilbert and his second wife can be dated to [1145/55]. Concerning Margaret·Äôs first marriage, the chronology suggests that the children of Ralph de Somery and his wife were born in the late 1190s or the early years of the 13th century. Concerning the second marriage, Maurice de Gant·Äôs wife is recorded as living in 1247. As can be seen, none of these dates is compatible with Margaret having been the daughter of John FitzGilbert.]
The Pipe Roll 1210 records that "Margareta que fuit uxor Radulfi de Sumeri" arranged to pay an instalment of her fine for the assignment of her dower in Berkshire in midsummer[1324].
Margaret married secondly ([1220/21]) as his second wife, Maurice de Gant. This second marriage is indicated by two sources relating to Staffordshire, where Ralph [II] de Somery had been granted land by King John (see above). Firstly, King Henry III ordered the sheriff of Staffordshire to permit ·ÄúMaurice de Gant·Äù to collect scutage from knights·Äô fees he holds in his bailiwick of the land ·Äúhe holds in dower of Margaret his wife·Äù, dated [Sep] 1224[1325]. Secondly, the Assize Rolls for 1228 record that eight persons were summoned to show cause why they intruded into ·Äúa carucate of land which Alan de Englefeld held, the custody of whose lands after his death belonged to Maurice de Gant and Margaret his wife...the land formed part of the dower of Margaret·Äù[1326]. Alan de Englefield was Margaret·Äôs son-in-law (see below).
Several other sources have been identified which name Margaret, none of which makes the connection between Ralph de Somery and Maurice de Gant. Three of these sources clearly refer to the widow of Ralph de Somery: (1) ·ÄúRoger de Sumeri·Äù confirmed an agreement between ·ÄúMargaret his mother·Äù and ·ÄúWilliam de Englefeld·Äù [his nephew, son of his sister Isabel] concerning a grant and exchange of lands ·Äúat Bradfield·Äù, Berkshire[1327], undated, but presumably dateable to after Roger·Äôsuccession to the family estates following the death of his nephew Nicholas (before 4 Jul 1229); (2) and (3) two sets of entries in the Testa de Nevill, Berkshire fees in [1235/36] which include " i.m de i. feodo in Englefeud de feodo de Sumeri et...quarta parte unius feodi Nicholai le Butiler de eodem honore [=honore de Walingeford?] et i.m de i. feodo Margerie de Sumery in Cumton Beucamp de eodem honore et i.m. de i. feodo eiusdem Margerie in Idesleg...et...in Adecote...Watindeden...Stanford...Yngelpenne de eodem honore"[1328], and Berkshire fees in [1242/43] which name "Rogerus de Sumery in Bradefeld i. feodum...Margareta de Sumeri in Bradefeld unum feodum predicti Rogeri...Willelmus de Englefeld in Englefeld unum feodum de eodem feodo"[1329]. Two further sources clearly refer to the wife of Maurice de Gant: firstly, Henry III King of England ordered the sheriff of Somerset, notwithstanding the order of seisin in favour of "Walter de Everm", to give seisin of "maneriis de Cantokesheved et de Hivis [Quantockshead and Huish]...que fuerunt Mauricii de Gant quondam viri sui" to "Margarete de Sumery" as dower, by order dated 1231[1330], and secondly ·ÄúMargaret de Somery·Äù reached agreement with ·ÄúHenry de Gaunt rector of the almonry of St Mark·Äôs Hospital, Billeswick·Äù on the tithes of the mill of East Quantoxhead, Somerset and other matters by charter dated 14 Jun 1247[1331]. Two more sources are inconclusive: the Plea Rolls for 1233 include a claim in Oxfordshire by ·ÄúJohn de Beauchamp·Äù against ·ÄúMargery de Sumery, in a plea of land and wardship·Äù[1332], and an undated order, in 1237, records ·ÄúAssizes taken...in...Worcestershire·Äù from ·ÄúMargaret de Somery·Äù[1333].
Thomas Stapleton made a detailed study of the life of Maurice de Gant in the mid-19th century but all the sources to which he refers are inconclusive regarding the parentage of Maurice de Gant·Äôs second wife[1334]. It is somewhat surprising that Maurice would have married the widow of Ralph [II] de Somery who, although she had proven her child-bearing capacity, must have been nearly 40 years old by [1220]. Stapleton dates the Margaret de Somery/Maurice de Gant marriage to ·Äúprior to the fifth year of Henry III [Nov 1220/Nov 1221] when Maurice de Gaunt paid scutage of Byham for the manor of Bradfield in Berkshire to Percival de Sumery·Äù[1335].
Ralph [II] & his wife had [five] children:
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