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Kind(eren):

  2. Gauthier de Guise  ± 1015-± 1061 


Notities over Raoul II de Mantes (de Valois) Comte de Valois et d'Amiens



Raoul de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 985 Mantes, Normandy, France
Death:
ca 1060 (70-80) Unknown; may have been Castle at Crespy, Valois (now Oise), Picardy, France (Alt date 02/11/1030--need to resolve)

Immediate Family:
Son of Count of Vexin et d'Amiens Gautier II "le Blanc" de Mantes (du Vexin), comte d'Amiens et du Vexin, de Valois, de Mantes and Adela de Mantes (N.N.)

Husband of NN (possibly Adèle) de Breteuil

Father of Raoul III "le Grand" de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens et du Vexin

Brother of Dreux de Mantes, Comte du Vexin et d'Amiens

Half brother of Alix de Vexin; Fulk II, Bishop of Amiens and Unknown du Vexin

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Raoul de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens is your 28th great grandfather.
You
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her mother ·Üí Jannetje Aldertse Roosa
her mother ·Üí Captain Aeldert Hymansz Roosa
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his father ·Üí Gijsbert Goertzen Roosa
his father ·Üí Jutta van Heukelom, gezegd van Rosendael
his mother ·Üí Otto Ottensz van Heukelom
her father ·Üí Otto van Heukelom
his father ·Üí Otto Ottensz van Heukelom
his father ·Üí Aleid d'Avesnes
his mother ·Üí Guido (Gwijde Gui) d'Avesnes, bishop of Utrecht
her father ·Üí Aleid van Holland, comtesse de Hainaut
his mother ·Üí Floris IV, count of Holland
her father ·Üí William I, Count of Holland
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her mother ᆒ Elisabeth de Vermandois, dame de Crépy
her mother ᆒ Adèle de Vermandois, comtesse de Vermandois et Valois
her mother ·Üí Adelais de Valois et du Vexin, Countess of Valois
her mother ·Üí Raoul III "le Grand" de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens et du Vexin
her father ·Üí Raoul de Mantes, Comte de Valois et d'Amiens
his father

Raoul II de Vexin, comte de Valois is your 26th great grandfather.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
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his father ·Üí Francis "Fannie" Pernerviane Welborn
his mother ·Üí Primma M. Davis
her mother ·Üí Sarah Autra Pridgen
her mother ·Üí Maj. John Pitchlyn
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his mother ·Üí Marie Hickman
her mother ·Üí Janneke Hornbeck
her mother ·Üí Sarah (Zara/Sara) Kortright
her mother ·Üí Jannetje Aldertse Roosa
her mother ·Üí Capt. Aeldert Hymansz Roosa
her father ·Üí Heijmen Guijsbert Roosa
his father ·Üí Gijsbert Goertzen, gezegd Roosa
his father ·Üí Jutta van Heukelom, gezegd van Rosendael
his mother ·Üí Otto Ottensz van Heukelom
her father ·Üí Otto van Heukelom
his father ·Üí Otto Ottensz van Heukelom
his father ·Üí Aleid d'Avesnes
his mother ·Üí Guido (Gwijde Gui) d'Avesnes, bishop of Utrecht
her father ·Üí Jean I d'Avesnes, count of Hainault
his father ·Üí Bouchard IV, seigneur d'Avesnes
his father ·Üí Alix de Guise
his mother ·Üí Bouchard van Guise, seigneur de Guise
her father ·Üí Gui de Guise, seigneur de Lesquielles
his father ·Üí Geoffroi de Guise
his father ·Üí Gauthier de Guise
his father ·Üí Raoul II de Vexin, comte de Valois
his father


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his father ·Üí John Mansel
his father ·Üí Hawise de Somery
his mother ·Üí Hawise de Berkeley, Baroness Dudley
her mother ·Üí Lord Ralph Paynel, Lord of Dudley
her father ᆒ Béatrix FitzAnsculf de Picquigny, Dame of Dudley Castle
his mother ᆒ Clémence d'Abbeville
her mother ·Üí Adila (Ada/Ade) de Ponthieu (D'Amiens)
her mother ·Üí Drogon D'Amiens
her father ·Üí Dreux de Mantes, Comte du Vexin et d'Amiens
his father ·Üí Raoul II de Vexin, comte de Valois
his brother

Raoul II de Mantes, du Vexin, de Valois, d'Amiens, de Crepy
b. after 974, d. 1040
Father Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens b. circa 944, d. 1027
Mother Adèle NN [S204 gives her name as Adele de Senlis b. circa 944, while FMG says that her identity is unknown]
Also called Raoul II de Valois. Raoul II de Vexin was born after 974 at Vexin, Normandy, France. He was the son of Gautier II "the White", comte de Vexin, Valois, et Amiens and Adèle de Senlis. Raoul II de Vexin married Adelaide de Breteuil, daughter of Hildouin de Breteuil, before 1025. Raoul II de Vexin may have married Emeline de Chartres, daughter of Foucher de Chartres, after 1025. [S204] Raoul II de Vexin died in 1040.
the following updated September 2019:
https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/nfravalver.htm
A. COMTES de VALOIS et du VEXIN
RAOUL de Mantes, son of GAUTHIER [II] "le Blanc" Comte dမAmiens et du Vexin, Comte de Mantes & his wife Adela --- (-1060). "Walterius comes" donated property "prope nostrum castellumဦMedanta" to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the soul of "coniugis mee Adelidis filiorumque meorum", by charter to [1006], signed by "Walterii comitis, Rodulfi filii eius, Drogonis filii eiusဦ"[1]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rodulfum" as son of "Gauterus Albus de Albamarla"[2]. Robert II King of France confirmed to the abbot of Saint-Germain and Saint-Vincent that he had forced လnoster comes Drogo...cum duobus fratribus Fulcone...et Rodulfo necnon uxore cum filiis supramemorati Drogonisဝ to renounce rights to revenue from လin villa...Domni Martini...ဝ to Saint-Germain-des-Prés by charter dated [1 Jan/1 Mar]1031[3]. Comte de Valois et d'Amiens.
m [--- de Breteuil, daughter of HILDUIN [Gilduin] de Breteuil Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Emmeline de [Ch%C3%A2teaudun] (-11 Sep 1051). The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified. Du Chesne states that "Raoul frere de Dreux Comte de Vexin" married ·Äúla fille de Gelduin ou Hilduin Comte de Breteuil et de Clermont en Beauvoisin·Äù who brought ·Äúla terre de Nanteuil surnomm√©e de là Nanteuil le Hildouin en m√©moire du Comte Hilduin son pere·Äù but does not cite the corresponding primary source[4]. Du Chesne does not name her.]
Comte Raoul & his wife had one child:
1. RAOUL [III] လle Grandဝ de Valois (-Péronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Crépy-en-Valois, église collégiale Saint-Arnoul).
The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rodulfum" as son of "Rodulfum [filii Gauteri Albus de Albamarla]"[5].
He succeeded [1030/35] as Comte de Valois. He headed the resistance to Henri I King of France from the death of Eudes II Comte de Blois in 1038, and as such led the campaigns of Beauvaisis in 1041[6].
He succeeded his cousin Gauthier [III] as Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin.
"Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simonဦ" donated property to Montiérender by undated charter[7].
First conseiller in the royal council, he was one of the most powerful and influential nobles in the kingdom. He was excommunicated because of the scandal of his third marriage, he reappeared at court only in 1070.
"RodulphusဦAmbianensis comes" donated property လad Conteiense castellumဝ to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Radulphus comes, Anna uxor eius, Gualterus Tirelli filius, Symon comitis filius..."[8]. The consent given by Gauthier Tirell suggests that he and Comte Raoul [III] held an interest in the property at Conty jointly, but if this is correct the family relationship between them has not been traced.
"Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfiဦcomitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Radulfus comes" died "VIII Kal Mar"[9].
m firstly ([1041/45]%29 as her fourth husband, AELIS de Bar-sur-Aube, widow firstly of RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, secondly of RENARD Comte de Joigny and thirdly of ROGER [I] avoué de Vignory, daughter and heiress of NOCHER [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube et de Vitry-en-Perthois & his wife --- (([1020/25]-11 Sep 1053).
The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adala" wife of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and mother of "Symonem et filiamဦAdala", but does not give her origin[10].
The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Rodulpho (Simonis genitori)" married three wives, firstly "Adela, Nocheri Barrensis ad Albam comitis filia, Notheri comitis Suessionum neptis, Archardi proneptis" who had previously married "Rainaldum de Sinemuro, Rainardum comitem de Jooniaco, Rotgerium de Wangionis ripa"[11].
Her marital history is recorded in the Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois: after the death of her first husband, "Rodulfus comes Calvimontis Vallis Cassini" [identified as her future fourth husband] visited "castellum Barri" who proposed marriage, the ceremony to take place after his return from a pilgrimage to Rome, but as the proposal displeased "primoribus terræ illius" they married her during Raoulမs absence to "Rainardo comiti de Jooniaco".
After Raoul returned, he besieged "Jooniacum castellum" and abducted Aelis to "castello Firmitatis", wanting to assure himself that she was not pregnant before marrying her.
While there, the inhabitants of Bar-sur-Aube married her again to "Rotgerio de Wangionis ripa", after which Raoul ravaged the countryside until they returned Aelis to him[12].
Her son "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfiဦcomitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[13].
"Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfiဦcomitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Adelina comitissa" died "III Id Sep"[14].
m secondly (repudiated 1060) ---["Haquenez"], daughter of ---. Europäische Stammtafeln names လHaquenezဝ as second wife of Raoul [III], adding that she was repudiated and died after 1061[15].
The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified. She is named as such in numerous secondary sources published over the last two centuries, which sometimes also call her လEléonoreဝ, but none has been found which cites a primary source providing the basis for these names.
Pope Alexander II wrote to Gervais Archbishop of Reims in 1062 recording that "comes Radulfus" had repudiated his (unnamed) wife on false charges of adultery and requiring him to take her back[16].
m thirdly ([1061]%29 as her second husband, ANNA Iaroslavna, widow of HENRI I King of France, daughter of IAROSLAV I Vladimirovich "Mudriy/the Wise" Grand Prince of Kiev & his second wife Ingigerd Olafsdottir of Sweden (1036-5 Sep ([1075/78], bur Abbaye Villiers near La-Ferté-Alais).
The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "filiam regis Russorum Annam" with King Henri[17].
The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Anna filia Georgii regis Sclavonum" as wife of King Henri[18]. Consecrated Queen Consort at Reims on her wedding day. Queen Anna caused a scandal in France by her second marriage and was forced to leave the court, although she returned after her second husband's death in 1074[19].
The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "Anna, Henrici relicta" and "Rodulfo comitis"[20].
"RodulphusဦAmbianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[21].
Comte Raoul III & his first wife had five children:
a) GAUTHIER de Valois (-killed in battle 6 Sep [1065/1067]). "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simonဦ" donated property to Montiérender by undated charter[22]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfiဦcomitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Walterius comes" died "VIII Id Sep"[23]. Comte [de Bar-sur-Aube]. As his father was still alive at the time, it is supposed that Gauthierမs county was Bar-sur-Aube, inherited from his mother, but this is not beyond all doubt.
b) SIMON de Valois (-Rome [30 Sep/1 Oct] 1080, bur 1082 Rome St Peter). "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon·Ä¶" donated property to Monti√©render by undated charter[24]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[25]. "Rodulphus·Ä¶Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[26]. Comte de Valois, d'Amiens, et de Montdidier, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube. The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum names "Symon filius eius" as successor of "Vadensium comes Rodulfus", recording that he resigned the county and went on a pilgrimage to Rome where he died and was buried "in portico sancti Petri"[27]. He was educated by Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, but rejected the betrothal to his daughter[28]. "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[29]. He resigned his counties in 1077 and became a monk. "Symon comes·Ä¶effectus monacus" is named in a charter dated [1076?] under which Philippe I King of France confirmed his donations to Cluny[30]. He went on pilgrimage to Rome where he died[31]. The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "Kal Oct" of "Simon comes"[32]. [Betrothed ([after 1069]) to AGATHE de Normandie, daughter of WILLIAM I King of England & his wife Mathilde de Flandre ([1064]-before 1074, bur Bayeux Cathedral). The Vita Simonis records a ficitional speech of William I King of England in which he offers his (unnamed) daughter's hand to Simon, specifying that she had previously been betrothed to "regis Hispaniarum Anfursi et Roberti principis Apuli√¶"[33]. The supposed betrothal to Robert of Apulia (which would have to be Robert "Guiscard" Duke of Apulia) is unrecorded in the numerous other sources dealing with his life and is probably pure fiction. This does not inspire confidence with respect to the historical accuracy of the whole passage, but if it is correct the daughter in question would presumably have been Agatha whose betrothal to "Amfursio regi Gallici√¶" (presumably Alfonso VI King of Galicia and León, later King of Castile) is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[34].] Betrothed (before 1077) to --- de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche et du P√©rigueux & his wife Ponce ---. The Vita Simonis, interpolated in the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, records the betrothal of "comes Symon" and "filiam comitis Hildeberti de Alvernis", specifying that Simon fled "ad monasterio de Casa Dei" without his father's knowledge before the marriage[35].
c) ADELAIS de Valois (-after 1077). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiamဦAdala" as children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[36]. Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenemဦBartholomeum"[37]. Ctss de Valois. "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis meæ", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that Héribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[38]. m ([1059 or before]) HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois, son of EUDES Comte de Vermandois & his wife Pavia --- ([1032]-[1080]).
d) [ADELA [Alix] de Valois (-12 May [1093/1100], bur Saint-Faron). It is unclear whether the [second/third] wife of Thibaut III Comte de Blois could have been the daughter of Comte Raoul [III]. The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Alaydis soror sancti Symonis" as wife of "comiti Campanie Theobaldo", although he confuses her with her supposed niece Adelais, daughter of Héribert [IV] Comte de Vermandois, saying that she married "Hugoni fratri regis Philippi" after the death of her husband[39]. The difficulty with Albericမs statement is an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenemဦBartholomeum"[40]. If the wife of Comte Thibaut III had been another daughter of Raoul [III], it is unclear why he would have been omitted from this document which appears to indicate clearly that Raoul had only two sons-in-law. Nevertheless, a close relationship with the family of the comtes de Valois is indicated by a charter dated to [1077/81] under which "Teobaudus comes palatinusဦcum mulierum Adelaide" donated property to Montiérender, naming "bone memorie predecessorumဦpatris sui Odonis comitis et Heriberto cognomento seniorisဦcomes Rodulfus predecessor suus et propinquus"[41], the latter presumably referring to Comte Raoul [III]. In addition, Comte Thibaut acquired the county of Bar-sur-Aube. If he had not been Raoulမs son-in-law, the basis for this acquisition is unclear. "Adeladis comitisse" subscribed the donation to Cluny by "Rotrocus castri Mauritanie comes atque Dunensis castri vicecomes" dated 11 Jan 1078, immediately after "Tetbaldi comitis, Stephani comitis"[42], it being assumed that she was the wife of the former not the latter. The necrology of Saint-Loup, Troyes records the death "XII Mai" of "Aalais uxor Theobaudi comitis Campaniæ" and her burial "in monasterio Sancti Faronis"[43]. m (before 1061) as his [second/third] wife, THIBAUT III Comte de Blois, Chartres et Champagne, son of EUDES II Comte de Blois, Chartres, Troyes et Champagne & his second wife Ermengarde d'Auvergne ([1010]-29/30 Sep 1089).]
e) [ELISABETH] de Valois (-[12 May 1093/1101]). The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois records that "Aaliz" daughter of Raoul Comte de Valois and his first wife married "Bartolomeus, juvenis de Breias" by whom she was mother of "Hugonem Bardoul"[44]. It is unclear from the text whether this statement is based on primary source data. It is assumed that the name "Aaliz" is an error as the couple is already recorded elsewhere with daughters named Adelais, Adela/Alix. Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-Rémy, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenemဦBartholomeum"[45]. Dame de Châteauvillain et d'Arc-en-Barrois. m BARTHELEMY Seigneur de Broyes et de Beaufort, son of HUGUES [I] "Bardoul" Seigneur de Broyes, de Beaufort et de Pithiviers & his wife --- (-after 1072).

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RAOUL de Mantes, son of GAUTHIER [II] "le Blanc" Comte d·ÄôAmiens et du Vexin, Comte de Mantes & his wife Adela --- (-1060).¬â€  "Walterius comes" donated property "prope nostrum castellum·Ä¶Medanta" to "Carnotensi monasterio Sancti Petri", for the soul of "coniugis mee Adelidis filiorumque meorum", by charter to [1006], signed by "Walterii comitis, Rodulfi filii eius, Drogonis filii eius·Ä¶"[1].¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rodulfum" as son of "Gauterus Albus de Albamarla"[2].¬â€  Robert II King of France confirmed to the abbot of Saint-Germain and Saint-Vincent that he had forced ·Äúnoster comes Drogo...cum duobus fratribus Fulcone...et Rodulfo necnon uxore cum filiis supramemorati Drogonis·Äù to renounce rights to revenue from ·Äúin villa...Domni Martini...·Äù to Saint-Germain-des-Pr√©s by charter dated [1 Jan/1 Mar]1031[3].¬â€  Comte de Valois et d'Amiens.¬â€ 
m [--- de Breteuil, daughter of HILDUIN [Gilduin] de Breteuil Vicomte de Chartres & his wife Emmeline de [Ch√¢teaudun] (-11 Sep 1051).¬â€  The primary source which confirms her parentage and marriage has not been identified.¬â€  Du Chesne states that "Raoul frere de Dreux Comte de Vexin" married ·Äúla fille de Gelduin ou Hilduin Comte de Breteuil et de Clermont en Beauvoisin·Äù who brought ·Äúla terre de Nanteuil surnomm√©e de là Nanteuil le Hildouin en m√©moire du Comte Hilduin son pere·Äù but does not cite the corresponding primary source[4].¬â€  Du Chesne does not name her.]¬â€ 
Comte Raoul & his wife had one child:¬â€ 
1.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  RAOUL [III] ·Äúle Grand·Äù de Valois (-P√©ronne 23 Feb or 8 Sep 1074, bur Montdidier, later transferred to Cr√©py-en-Valois, √©glise coll√©giale Saint-Arnoul).¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Rodulfum" as son of "Rodulfum [filii Gauteri Albus de Albamarla]"[5].¬â€  He succeeded [1030/35] as Comte de Valois.¬â€  He headed the resistance to Henri I King of France from the death of Eudes II Comte de Blois in 1038, and as such led the campaigns of Beauvaisis in 1041[6].¬â€  He succeeded his cousin Gauthier [III] as Comte d'Amiens et du Vexin.¬â€  "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon·Ä¶" donated property to Monti√©render by undated charter[7].¬â€  First conseiller in the royal council, he was one of the most powerful and influential nobles in the kingdom.¬â€  He was excommunicated because of the scandal of his third marriage, he reappeared at court only in 1070.¬â€  "Rodulphus·Ä¶Ambianensis comes" donated property ·Äúad Conteiense castellum·Äù to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Radulphus comes, Anna uxor eius, Gualterus Tirelli filius, Symon comitis filius..."[8].¬â€  The consent given by Gauthier Tirell suggests that he and Comte Raoul [III] held an interest in the property at Conty jointly, but if this is correct the family relationship between them has not been traced.¬â€  "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Radulfus comes" died "VIII Kal Mar"[9].¬â€  m firstly ([1041/45]) as her fourth husband, AELIS de Bar-sur-Aube, widow firstly of RENAUD de Semur-en-Brionnais, secondly of RENARD Comte de Joigny and thirdly of ROGER [I] avou√© de Vignory, daughter and heiress of NOCHER [II] Comte de Bar-sur-Aube et de Vitry-en-Perthois & his wife --- (([1020/25]-11 Sep 1053).¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Adala" wife of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and mother of "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala", but does not give her origin[10].¬â€  The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois, based on an undated manuscript of the abbey of Saint-Claude, records that "Rodulpho (Simonis genitori)" married three wives, firstly "Adela, Nocheri Barrensis ad Albam comitis filia, Notheri comitis Suessionum neptis, Archardi proneptis" who had previously married "Rainaldum de Sinemuro, Rainardum comitem de Jooniaco, Rotgerium de Wangionis ripa"[11].¬â€  Her marital history is recorded in the Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois: after the death of her first husband, "Rodulfus comes Calvimontis Vallis Cassini" [identified as her future fourth husband] visited "castellum Barri" who proposed marriage, the ceremony to take place after his return from a pilgrimage to Rome, but as the proposal displeased "primoribus terr√¶ illius" they married her during Raoul·Äôs absence to "Rainardo comiti de Jooniaco".¬â€  After Raoul returned, he besieged "Jooniacum castellum" and abducted Aelis to "castello Firmitatis", wanting to assure himself that she was not pregnant before marrying her.¬â€  While there, the inhabitants of Bar-sur-Aube married her again to "Rotgerio de Wangionis ripa", after which Raoul ravaged the countryside until they returned Aelis to him[12].¬â€  Her son "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[13].¬â€  "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Adelina comitissa" died "III Id Sep"[14].¬â€  m secondly (repudiated 1060) ---["Haquenez"], daughter of ---.¬â€  Europ√§ische Stammtafeln names ·ÄúHaquenez·Äù as second wife of Raoul [III], adding that she was repudiated and died after 1061[15].¬â€  The primary source which confirms her name has not been identified.¬â€  She is named as such in numerous secondary sources published over the last two centuries, which sometimes also call her ·ÄúEl√©onore·Äù, but none has been found which cites a primary source providing the basis for these names.¬â€  Pope Alexander II wrote to Gervais Archbishop of Reims in 1062 recording that "comes Radulfus" had repudiated his (unnamed) wife on false charges of adultery and requiring him to take her back[16].¬â€  m thirdly ([1061]) as her second husband, ANNA Iaroslavna, widow of HENRI I King of France, daughter of IAROSLAV I Vladimirovich "Mudriy/the Wise" Grand Prince of Kiev & his second wife Ingigerd Olafsdottir of Sweden (1036-5 Sep ([1075/78], bur Abbaye Villiers near La-Fert√©-Alais).¬â€  The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "filiam regis Russorum Annam" with King Henri[17].¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Anna filia Georgii regis Sclavonum" as wife of King Henri[18].¬â€  Consecrated Queen Consort at Reims on her wedding day.¬â€  Queen Anna caused a scandal in France by her second marriage and was forced to leave the court, although she returned after her second husband's death in 1074[19].¬â€  The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum records the marriage of "Anna, Henrici relicta" and "Rodulfo comitis"[20].¬â€  "Rodulphus·Ä¶Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[21].¬â€  Comte Raoul III & his first wife had five children:
a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GAUTHIER de Valois (-killed in battle 6 Sep [1065/1067]).¬â€  "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon·Ä¶" donated property to Monti√©render by undated charter[22].¬â€  "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter, the entry stating that "Walterius comes" died "VIII Id Sep"[23].¬â€  Comte [de Bar-sur-Aube].¬â€  As his father was still alive at the time, it is supposed that Gauthier·Äôs county was Bar-sur-Aube, inherited from his mother, but this is not beyond all doubt.¬â€ 
b)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  SIMON de Valois (-Rome [30 Sep/1 Oct] 1080, bur 1082 Rome St Peter).¬â€  "Comes Rodulfus et filius meus Walterus et Simon·Ä¶" donated property to Monti√©render by undated charter[24].¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala" children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[25].¬â€  "Rodulphus·Ä¶Ambianensis comes" donated property to Sainte-Marie d'Amiens, with the consent of "Simon filius meus et Gualterus, Gualteri Tyrelli natus", by charter dated 1069, subscribed by "Anna uxor eius"[26].¬â€  Comte de Valois, d'Amiens, et de Montdidier, Comte de Bar-sur-Aube.¬â€  The Liber Modernorum Regum Francorum names "Symon filius eius" as successor of "Vadensium comes Rodulfus", recording that he resigned the county and went on a pilgrimage to Rome where he died and was buried "in portico sancti Petri"[27].¬â€  He was educated by Mathilde de Flandre, wife of William I King of England, but rejected the betrothal to his daughter[28].¬â€  "Symon comes Barrensium" donated property to the abbey of Molesme for the souls of "parentum suorum Radulfi·Ä¶comitis et Walterii fratris suis et matris sue Adele" by undated charter[29].¬â€  He resigned his counties in 1077 and became a monk.¬â€  "Symon comes·Ä¶effectus monacus" is named in a charter dated [1076?] under which Philippe I King of France confirmed his donations to Cluny[30].¬â€  He went on pilgrimage to Rome where he died[31].¬â€  The necrology of the Priory of Saint-Martin-des-Champs records the death "Kal Oct" of "Simon comes"[32].¬â€  [Betrothed ([after 1069]) to AGATHE de Normandie, daughter of WILLIAM I King of England & his wife Mathilde de Flandre ([1064]-before 1074, bur Bayeux Cathedral).¬â€  The Vita Simonis records a ficitional speech of William I King of England in which he offers his (unnamed) daughter's hand to Simon, specifying that she had previously been betrothed to "regis Hispaniarum Anfursi et Roberti principis Apuli√¶"[33].¬â€  The supposed betrothal to Robert of Apulia (which would have to be Robert "Guiscard" Duke of Apulia) is unrecorded in the numerous other sources dealing with his life and is probably pure fiction.¬â€  This does not inspire confidence with respect to the historical accuracy of the whole passage, but if it is correct the daughter in question would presumably have been Agatha whose betrothal to "Amfursio regi Gallici√¶" (presumably Alfonso VI King of Galicia and León, later King of Castile) is recorded by Orderic Vitalis[34].]¬â€  Betrothed (before 1077) to --- de la Marche, daughter of AUDEBERT [II] Comte de la Marche et du P√©rigueux & his wife Ponce ---.¬â€  The Vita Simonis, interpolated in the Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines, records the betrothal of "comes Symon" and "filiam comitis Hildeberti de Alvernis", specifying that Simon fled "ad monasterio de Casa Dei" without his father's knowledge before the marriage[35].¬â€ 
c)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  ADELAIS de Valois (-after 1077).¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Symonem et filiam·Ä¶Adala" as children of "comitis Veromandie [error for Valois] Rodolfi" and his wife Adela[36].¬â€  Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-R√©my, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem·Ä¶Bartholomeum"[37].¬â€  Ctss de Valois.¬â€  "Herbertus Vermandensium et Vadascorum comes" donated property to the church of Saint-Quentin and others, with the consent of "Alide coniugis me√¶", by charter dated 1059 (date unlikely to be correct, considering that H√©ribert did not succeed as Comte de Valois until 1077)[38].¬â€  m ([1059 or before])¬â€ HERIBERT [VI] Comte de Vermandois, son of EUDES¬â€ Comte de Vermandois & his wife Pavia ---¬â€ ([1032]-[1080]).¬â€ 
d)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  [ADELA [Alix] de Valois¬â€ (-12 May [1093/1100], bur Saint-Faron).¬â€  It is unclear whether the [second/third] wife of Thibaut III Comte de Blois could have been the daughter of Comte Raoul [III].¬â€  The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines names "Alaydis soror sancti Symonis" as wife of "comiti Campanie Theobaldo", although he confuses her with her supposed niece Adelais, daughter of H√©ribert [IV] Comte de Vermandois, saying that she married "Hugoni fratri regis Philippi" after the death of her husband[39].¬â€  The difficulty with Alberic·Äôs statement is an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-R√©my, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem·Ä¶Bartholomeum"[40].¬â€  If the wife of Comte Thibaut III had been another daughter of Raoul [III], it is unclear why he would have been omitted from this document which appears to indicate clearly that Raoul had only two sons-in-law.¬â€  Nevertheless, a close relationship with the family of the comtes de Valois is indicated by a charter dated to [1077/81] under which "Teobaudus comes palatinus·Ä¶cum mulierum Adelaide" donated property to Monti√©render, naming "bone memorie predecessorum·Ä¶patris sui Odonis comitis et Heriberto cognomento senioris·Ä¶comes Rodulfus predecessor suus et propinquus"[41], the latter presumably referring to Comte Raoul [III].¬â€  In addition, Comte Thibaut acquired the county of Bar-sur-Aube.¬â€  If he had not been Raoul·Äôs son-in-law, the basis for this acquisition is unclear.¬â€  "Adeladis comitisse" subscribed the donation to Cluny by "Rotrocus castri Mauritanie comes atque Dunensis castri vicecomes" dated 11 Jan 1078, immediately after "Tetbaldi comitis, Stephani comitis"[42], it being assumed that she was the wife of the former not the latter.¬â€  The necrology of Saint-Loup, Troyes records the death "XII Mai" of "Aalais uxor Theobaudi comitis Campani√¶" and her burial "in monasterio Sancti Faronis"[43].¬â€  m (before 1061) as his [second/third] wife,¬â€ THIBAUT III Comte de Blois, Chartres et Champagne, son of¬â€ EUDES II Comte de Blois, Chartres, Troyes et Champagne¬â€ & his second wife Ermengarde d'Auvergne¬â€ ([1010]-29/30 Sep 1089).]¬â€ 
e)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  [ELISABETH] de Valois¬â€ (-[12 May 1093/1101]).¬â€  The Acta Sanctorum commentary on the life of St Simon de Valois records that "Aaliz" daughter of Raoul Comte de Valois and his first wife married "Bartolomeus, juvenis de Breias" by whom she was mother of "Hugonem Bardoul"[44].¬â€  It is unclear from the text whether this statement is based on primary source data.¬â€  It is assumed that the name "Aaliz" is an error as the couple is already recorded elsewhere with daughters named Adelais, Adela/Alix.¬â€  Her marriage is confirmed by an undated charter, quoted by Acta Sanctorum, under which "Rodulfus comes" donated property to Saint-R√©my, confirmed by "Symonem filium meum, duos quoque generos meos, quos de filiabus meis habeo, id est Heribertum comitem et juvenem·Ä¶Bartholomeum"[45].¬â€  Dame de Ch√¢teauvillain et d'Arc-en-Barrois.¬â€  m BARTHELEMY Seigneur de Broyes et de Beaufort, son¬â€ of HUGUES [I] "Bardoul" Seigneur de Broyes, de Beaufort et de¬â€ Pithiviers & his wife --- (-after 1072).¬â€ 
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