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• Hij is geboren in het jaar 1065 in Clun, Shropshire, England.
• Hij is overleden in het jaar 1121 in Clun, Shropshire, England, hij was toen 56 jaar oud.
• Een kind van Robert fitz Picot de Say en Adeloyse or Adelais de Say
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Kind(eren):

1. Helias. ELIAS de Say  ± 1095-???? 

Notities over Henry fitz Picot de Say Lord of Clun

Henry fitz Picot de Say, Lord of Stokesay
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 1065
Clun, Shropshire, England (United Kingdom)
Death:
after 1131

Immediate Family:
Son of Robert fitz Picot de Say

Husband of NN of Salop

Father of Ingram de Say, Lord of Clun; Helias de Say and Aubrey Picot

Brother of Robert fitz Picot de Saye, II; William Picot de Say, I, Baron d'Aunay; N.N. Picot de Say and Elias Picot de Say, Lord of Clun in Shropshire

https://www.geni.com/people/Henry-fitz-Picot-de-Say-Lord-of-Stokesay/6000000008630703609

Henry fitz Picot de Say, Lord of Stokesay is your 27th great grandfather.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Emma Corine Welborn (Bombard)
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his father ·Üí Edith Ludlow (Windsor)
his mother ·Üí Lady Elizabeth Windsor (Blount), Baroness Windsor
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his father ·Üí Joan de Huntingfield (de Hobrugg)
his mother ·Üí Agnes de Hobrugge (Picot)
her mother ·Üí Sir William Picot
her father ·Üí Aubrey Picot
his father ·Üí Henry fitz Picot de Say, Lord of Stokesay
his father

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Henry fitz Picot de Say, Lord of Clun is your 26th great grandfather.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Geneva Allene Welborn
your mother ·Üí Alice Elmyra Smith
her mother ·Üí Nellie Mary Henley
her mother ·Üí John Merrit Wooldridge
her father ·Üí Merritt Wooldridge
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his father ·Üí Edward Wooldridge, Jr.
his father ·Üí Mary Wooldridge
his mother ·Üí Mary Martha Flournoy
her mother ·Üí Jane Gower
her mother ·Üí William Hatcher, of Varina Parish
her father ·Üí Catherine Hatcher
his mother ·Üí Mary Cornwall
her mother ·Üí Thomas Cornwall, 11th Baron of Burford, Shropshire
her father ·Üí Richard Cornwall, 9th Baron of Burford
his father ·Üí Anne Cornwall
his mother ·Üí Sir Richard Corbet, MP
her father ·Üí Sir Roger Corbet, Kt.
his father ·Üí Robert Corbet, MP, Sheriff of Shropshire
his father ·Üí Sir Roger Corbet, Kt.
his father ·Üí Robert Corbet, Lord of Moreton
his father ·Üí Sir Thomas Corbet, Kt.
his father ·Üí Maud FitzAlan de Arundel
his mother ·Üí John FitzAlan
her father ·Üí John FitzAlan, Lord of Clun & Oswestry, Earl Of Arundel
his father ·Üí Isabel de Say, Lady of Clune
his mother ·Üí Helias de Say
her father ·Üí Henry fitz Picot de Say, Lord of Clun
his father


https://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/enguntps.htm#AubryPicotMMabilia

1.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  HENRY Picot .¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer records that Henry I King of England granted one knight·Äôs fee in Cambridgeshire "Henricus pater meus", held in 1166 by his son "Albricus Picot"[373].¬â€  m ---.¬â€  The name of Henry·Äôs wife is not known.¬â€  Henry & his wife had one child:¬â€ 
a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  AUBRY Picot (-after 1171).¬â€  "Albricus Picot" held one knight·Äôs fee in Cambridgeshire in 1166, stating that Henry I King of England had granted it to "Henricus pater meus"[374].¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Albricus Picot i m" in Cambridgeshire in [1167/68][375].¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Albricus Picot xx s" in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire in [1171/72][376].¬â€  m MABILIA, daughter of ---.¬â€  The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records ·ÄúMabilia·Ä¶neptis Rannulfi de Glanville·Ä¶uxor Albrici Picot·Äù, her property ·Äúin Bukeswurthe·Ä¶in feodo Gileberti de Muntfichet", and her "ii filios et iii filias, et primogenitus est miles·Äù[377].¬â€  Aubry & his wife had five children:¬â€ 
i)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  ROBERT Picot (-after 1210).¬â€  The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records ·Äúfilius Albrici Picot·Äù, his property ·Äúin Beche", and "in custodia Rannulfi de Glanville·Äù, and in a later passage "terra Roberti Picot in Cneya·Ä¶in custodia Rannulfi de Glanville et·Ä¶habet etatem et est miles"[378].¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1190/91], records "Robertus Picot" paying "x s, i militem" in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire[379].¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer, listing scutage payments in [1194/95], records "Robertus Picot" paying "xx s, i militem" in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire[380].¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Robertus Picot" holding one knight·Äôs fee "in Cueye" in Cambridgeshire, Huntingdonshire in [1210/12][381].¬â€  m ---.¬â€  The name of Robert·Äôs wife is not known.¬â€  Robert & his wife had one child:¬â€ 
(a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  PETER Picot (-after 1217).¬â€  The Red Book of the Exchequer records "Petrus filius Roberti Pikot" holding "medietatem de Heydene·Ä¶ad coronationem Regis" from the Serjeantie in Essex and Herefordshire[382].¬â€ 
ii)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  --- Picot .¬â€  The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records ·ÄúMabilia·Ä¶neptis Rannulfi de Glanville·Ä¶uxor Albrici Picot·Äù, her property ·Äúin Bukeswurthe·Ä¶in feodo Gileberti de Muntfichet", and her "ii filios et iii filias, et primogenitus est miles·Äù[383].¬â€ 
iii)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  three daughters .¬â€  The Rotuli de Dominabus of 1185 records ·ÄúMabilia·Ä¶neptis Rannulfi de Glanville·Ä¶uxor Albrici Picot·Äù, her property ·Äúin Bukeswurthe·Ä¶in feodo Gileberti de Muntfichet", and her "ii filios et iii filias, et primogenitus est miles·Äù[384].¬â€ 
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Named as son, and successor of Robert "Picot" de Say, Lord of Clun. Died after 1129.
HENRY de Say (-after [1129/30]). A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxoriဦetဦRoberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1056].
For full context, see below.
Charles Cawley writes in http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3P-S.htm:
ROBERT de Say "Picot" (-after 1086).
A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxoriဦetဦRoberto et Henrico filiis suis" [trans: Robert de Say who is known as Picot and his wife Adeloye and Robert and Henry his sons] with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1050]. [trans: Count Roger, Picot, his son Robert, Henry son of Picot, Adeloye wife of Picot.]
"ဦPicotum vicecomitemဦ" [trans. Vicomte Picot] witnessed the charter under which William I King of England confirmed the rights of Ely abbey[1051]. "ဦIvonem Taillebois, Petrum de Valoines, Picotem vicecomitem, Ticlum de Helum, Hugonem de Hosdeng" witnessed the charter dated to [1080] under which William I King of England confirmed the customs of Ely monastery[1052]. [trans. note: Other witnesses were Ivo Taillebois, Peter de Valoines, Ticlum de Helum and Hugo de Hosdeng]
Domesday records 27 manors in Shropshire held by "Picot", including Clun[1053].
m ADELAIS, daughter of ---. A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxoriဦetဦRoberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1054].
Robert & his wife had two children:
a) ROBERT de Say . A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxoriဦetဦRoberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1055].
b) HENRY de Say (-after [1129/30]). A charter dated to 1060 records the transactions of "Roberto de Sayo qui cognominabatur Ficot et Adaloye uxoriဦetဦRoberto et Henrico filiis suis" with the monastery of Saint-Martin de Sees in Normandy, signed by "Rogeri comitis, Picot, Roberti filii eius, Henrici filii Picot, Adeloye uxoris Picot"[1056].
c) [ELIAS de Say (-1160 or before). Eyton suggests that Elias was the son of Henry de Say but he cites no primary source which suggests that this might be the case[1057]. According to Domesday Descendants, Henry was "brother and successor" [1140] of Henry de Say of Clun[1058]. Lord of Clun, Shropshire. "ဦBrianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eiusဦ" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfoဦab avo meo Rogerio"[1059].] m ---. The name of Elias´s wife is not known. Elias & his wife had two children:
i) BRIAN de Say . "ဦBrianum de Jai et Heliam patrem eiusဦ" witnessed the undated charter under which "Hugo de Mortuo mari" confirmed the donations to Saint-Victor-en-Caux by "patre meo Radulfoဦab avo meo Rogerio"[1060].
ii) ISABEL de Say (-[1199][1061]). လWillielmus de Boterellဝ confirmed the donation, for the soul of လWillielmi filii meiဝ, by လdomina Isabella de Say uxor meaဝ of the church of St George, Clun to Wenlock Priory, by undated charter witnessed by လBrientio de SayဦHugone Peverellဦဝ[1062]. m firstly ([1153/54]%29 as his second wife, WILLIAM FitzAlan, son of ALAN FitzFlaald & his [second] wife Aveline d'Hesdin (-1160). m secondly ([1160/66]) as his second wife, GEOFFREY de Vere, son of AUBREY de Vere & his wife Adelisa [Alice] de Clare (-1170). Lord of Clun and Oswestry, Shropshire. Sheriff of Shropshire 1167 to 1170[1063]. m thirdly ([1171]) as his first wife, WILLIAM Boterel [II] of Cornwall, son of WILLIAM Boterel [I] & his wife Alice Corbet (-[1211]).
Sources
[1050] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.
[1051] Liber Eliensis, Vol. I, II, 117, p. 252.
[1052] Dugdale Monasticon I, Ely Monastery, Cambridgeshire, X, p. 477.
[1053] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 227.
[1054] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.
[1055] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.
[1056] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 225, quoting Gallia Christiana, Vol. XI, pp. 152-3.
[1057] Eyton (1860), Vol. XI, p. 228.
[1058] Domesday Descendants, p. 679, citing Rees (1975) Shrewsbury Cartulary, no. 350b.
[1059] Robillard de Beaurepaire, C. de (ed.) ´Recueil de chartes concernant l´abbaye de Saint-Victor-en-Caux´, Mélanges, documents publiés et annotés par MM Ch. de Beaurepaire, Paul le Cacheux, A. Héron et Hipplyte Sauvage, 5ème série (Rouen, 1898) ("Caux Saint-Victor"), II, p. 370.
[1060] Caux Saint-Victor, II, p. 370.
[1061] Domesday Descendants, p. 680.
[1062] Dugdale Monasticon V, Wenlock Priory, Shropshire, V, p. 76.
[1063] CP X Appendix J, p. 113.
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4th Baron.
Gilbert de LACY died after 1163. "GILBERT (ob. post 1163) = ?"
--- W E Wightman, *The Lacy Family in England and Normandy,1066-1194*, genealogical chart following p 260.
***************************** Gilbert, upon succeeding his uncle, assumed the surname of Laci. This feudal lord, in the conflict between Stephen and the Empress, espoused the cause of the latter. He eventually became a knight Templar, and was s. by (whether son or brother not known) Hugh de Laci. [Bernard Burke, Dormant and Extinct Peerages, Burke's Peerage, Ltd, London, 1883, p. 310, Lacy, Earls of Lincoln]
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Gilbert de Lacy (fl 1150), fourth baron Lacy, was son of Emma, daughter of Walter de Lacy, first baron. His father's name is not known. After the death of his uncle, Hugh de Lacy, the family estates were taken into the royal hands, but Gilbert assumed the name of Lacy. In the reign of Stephen he at first supported the Empress Matilda, in whose behalf he attempted to capture Bath in 1138. but by 1146 he had gone over to the king, perhamps because the empress kept Joce de Dinan in possession of Ludlow Castle. So far as there is any truth in the early part of the 'Romance of Fulk Fitzwarine,' Gilbert, and not his grandson Walter, must be the hero. That Joce and Gilbert were opponents is an historical fact. Gilbert appears to have obtained the favour of Henry II, and recovered his uncle's lands; in 1158 he was excused the 'donim' to the king. A little later he joined the knights of the Temple, and went to the Holy Land. There he became preceptor of his order in the county of Tripoli, in which capacity he engaged in Geoffrey of Angouleme's successful expedition against Noureddin in 1163. He gave the templars twelve hides of land; and one virgate in Guttinges, and also five burgages in Winchcombe. He is described as a prudent man and skilful soldier. [Dictionary of National Biography XI:375-6
Please see Darrell Wolcott: Henry, the Forgotten Son of Cadwgan ap Bleddyn; http://www.ancientwalesstudies.org/id117.html. (Steven Ferry, April, 5, 2020.)

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