Ancestral Trails 2016 » THIERRY de SEPTIMANIA I (720-793)

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• Hij is geboren in het jaar 720 in Narbonne, Aude, Languedoc-Roussillon, France.
• Titel: Count of Autun & Toulouse
• (Nickname) : "Le Chambrier".
• (Alternative Name) : Theodoric d'Autun.
• Hij is overleden in het jaar 793 in Pannónia-lakótelep, Pest, Hungary, hij was toen 73 jaar oud.
• Een kind van CHILDEBRAND de PERRACY en CHRODELINDE de LAON

Gezin van THIERRY de SEPTIMANIA I

Hij is getrouwd met AUDA MARTEL.

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 738 te Autun, Saône-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France, hij was toen 18 jaar oud.

Kind(eren):

1. Theudoin d'AUTUN  ± 740-< 826
2. AUDA de TOULOUSE  ± 752-???? 
3. ADALHELM d'AUTUN  ± 746-???? 
4. Thierry d'AUTUN  ± 744-793 
5. WILLIAM de GELLONE  755-812 

Notities over THIERRY de SEPTIMANIA I

Thierry married Auda, daughter of Charles Martel, sister of Pepin III.
SOURCE: Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thierry_IV

Do not confuse him with Makhir, the Jewish Prince, or with Théodéric IV of Austrasia,King of the Franks (?-737) or Aymeri de Narbonne, the fictional father of the fictional counterpart of Thierry's son Guillaume de Gellone.

Theuderic (or Thierry or Teiric) was Count of Autun, and Count of Toulouse (771). His ancestry is not attested by contemporary sources. Traditionally, he was held to have been of Merovingian descent, son of either Bernarius and Chrodelinde (Moriarty, Stuart), or of Childébrand, Duke of Burgundy, and Rolande.

In some modern literature he is confused with Théodéric IV, King of the Franks (?-737). See, for example, Michael of Albany and Walid Amine Salhab, The Knights Templar of the Middle East (San Francisco, 2006), 52.

Some scholars think Theuderic was connected in some way with the Jewish dynasty of exilarchs at Narbonne, perhaps identical with with Makhir, a Jewish prince who came from Iraq to serve as leader of the Jewish community at Narbonne. Zuckerman suggested Makhir was identical with Natronai ben Habibai, while others believe Makhir was more likely Natronai's younger brother. According to Zuckerman, he adopted the Frankish name Theuderic (Thierry) when he married into the Frankish royal family. In later romance he was called Aymery.

Zuckerman's theory is widely rejected by historians.

From the Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page (including his parents and brother's family): http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#TheodericIAutundiedbefore804 & http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdautun.htm

THEODERIC [I], son of --- (-[791/15 Dec 804]). The origin of Comte Theoderic is not known. An interesting speculation is a relationship with the early Saxon leader Widukind, as explained above. Comte d'Autun. Einhard indicates that Theoderich was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 the king sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis… Theodericus comes, propinquus regis", the relationship probably being through the wife of Theoderic [I] (see below). "Carolus…rex Francorum et Langobardorum" gave a judgment by charter dated to [Dec 775] which names "fidelibus…Widrigo, Odrigo, Theodrico, Bernehardo, Albuino, Aginhardo, Berngario comitibus et Anshelmo comite palacii nostri". Einhard records that Charles I King of the Franks sent "Theodorico comite et Meginfredo camerario suo" to "aquilonalem Danubii ripam" in 791. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

m ALDANA, daughter of ---. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. Settipani quotes an Aquitaine necrology which lists "Willelmus…pater eius Theodericus, mater Aldana soror Hiltrudis et Landradæ". He suggests that "Hiltrudis" was the wife of Odilo Duke of Bavaria, and therefore that the wife of Theoderic was Aldana, daughter of Charles "Martel" maiordomus of Austrasia and Neustria [Carolingian]. The theory is attractive but not conclusive, as its validity depends on there being no other contemporary Hiltrudis, which is not provable. Hlawitschka highlights the case against the affiliation. However, the evidence of the 25 May 765 charter, quoted in the document MEROVINGIAN NOBILITY under Aldana’s supposed sister Landrada, suggests that Settipani’s hypothesis may be correct. In addition, Einhard indicates that Theoderic [I] was related to Charles I King of the Franks when he records that in 782 King Charles sent his three missi "Adalgiso camerario et Geilone comite stabuli et Worado comite palati" to meet "in…Saxonis…Theodericus comes, propinquus regis". One possible relationship being between the king and Theoderic [I] would have been through his wife, if she had been the king's paternal aunt.

Theoderic [I] & his wife had [seven] children:

1. TEUDOIN (-826 or after). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. Comte d'Autun 804/26. m ---. The name of the wife of Teudoin is not known.

a) THEODERIC [III] (-[after 826]). 816/21. Theoderic is named as son of Teudoin in Europäische Stammtafeln but the primary source on which this is based has not been identified. The Manual of Dhuoda names "domnus Teodericus…condam" as godfather of Doda's son Bernard (born in 826), although it does not specify a family relationship between the two. Of the three possible individuals in the family named Theoderic, Theoderic [II] is a less likely possibility because of his presumed age. Theoderic [IV] is named in another section of the Manual, without any reference to his being Bernard's godfather. Theoderic [III] therefore appears the most likely possibility.

2. THEODERIC [II] (-after 14 Dec 804, maybe after 811). "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone, Theoderic being named in only one of the versions. [Einhard's Annales record "Theotheri comes" as one of the signatories of peace with the Vikings in 811. It is not certain that the signatory was Theoderic [II].]

3. ADALELM . "Willelmus…comes" names "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

4. NN [--- . m ---.] One possible child:

a) [BERTRAND . "Willelmus…comes" names "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. There is no more precise indication of the relationship between Guillaume and Bertrand although, if nepos is in this context correctly translated as nephew, Bertrand must have been the son of a brother or sister of Guillaume who is not otherwise named in the charter, presumably deceased at the time.]

5. GUILLAUME ([750/55]-Gellone [28 May [812/13]/21 May 815]). Comte de Toulouse, Marquis de Septimanie. "Willelmus…comes" names "genitore meo Theuderico et genitrice mea Aldana" and "fratribus meis Theudoino et Adalelmo" (version two: "fratre meo Teodoino et Teoderico et Adalelmo") "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" "filiabus meis et filiis Barnardo, Witchario, Gotcelmo, Helimbruch" (version two: "filios meos et filias Witcario, Hildehelmo et Helinbruch") "uxoribus meis Cunegunde et Guitburge" (version two: "Witburg et Cunegunde") "nepote meo Bertranno" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone.

6. ABBA[Albana] (-after 804). "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone. The Vita S. Willelmi records that “beatus Willelmus” had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”. Nun in 804. [m NIBELUNG [II], son of [NIBELUNG [I] Count in Burgundy & his wife --- (-after 805). Settipani highlights the onomastic connections between the family of St Guillaume and the family of Nibelung, suggested by the names Bernard and Theoderic borne by the possible descendants of Nibelung [II]. He suggests that, if there was a connection between the two families, it would most likely have been through the wife of Nibelung [II] who could have been either Abba or Berta, sisters of St Guillaume. There is, however, no indication at all of the first name of the wife of Nibelung [II]. This would of course be incorrect if the connection was through either Abba's father or mother, as referred to above. The other difficulty with this hypothesis is that the Vita S. Willelmi implies that Guillaume’s sisters remained unmarried when it records that he had “duæ sorores virgines…Albana…Bertana”]

7. BERTA [Bertana]. "Willelmus…comes" names "sororibus meis Albana et Bertana" in his charter dated 14 Dec 804 (version two: dated 15 Dec 804) for the foundation of the monastery of Gellone
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKISH%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc143595867
https://www.geni.com/people/Thierry-I-count-of-Autun/6000000002071341413

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