Ancestral Trails 2016 » WALTER FITZRICHARD CLIFFORD (1113-1190)

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• Hij is geboren in het jaar 1113 in Clifford Castle, Clifford, Herefordshire.Bron 1
• Titel: Feudal Baron of Clifford, Marcher Lord of Bronllys Castle
• Beroep: in Seneschal of Roger De Toeni.
• (Alternative Name) : Walter FitzRichard FitzPons de Clifford.
• Hij is overleden in het jaar 1190 in Gowran, Kilkenny, Ireland, hij was toen 77 jaar oud.
• Hij is begraven in het jaar 1190 in Godstow Priory, Oxfordshire.
• Een kind van RICHARD FITZPONS CLIFFORD en MATHILDE FITZWALTER de PITRES

Gezin van WALTER FITZRICHARD CLIFFORD

Hij is getrouwd met MARGARET ISOBEL de TOENI.

Zij zijn getrouwd rond 1135 te Flamstead, Hertfordshire.

Kind(eren):

1. Gilbert CLIFFORD  ± 1149-????
2. Simon CLIFFORD  1155-????
3. Robert CLIFFORD  ± 1145-> 1221
4. William CLIFFORD  ± 1147-> 1221
5. Roger CLIFFORD  1153-????
6. Hugh CLIFFORD  1156-????
7. RICHARD CLIFFORD  ± 1142-1213 
8. Rosamund CLIFFORD  ± 1138-1176
9. Lucia CLIFFORD  ± 1136-1195 
10. WALTER II CLIFFORD  ± 1160-???? 
11. Amice CLIFFORD  ± 1135-± 1185

Notities over WALTER FITZRICHARD CLIFFORD

WALTER FitzRichard, son of RICHARD FitzPons & his wife Matilda --- (-1190). His parentage is confirmed by the undated charter, dated to before 1190, under which "Hugh de Say and Lucia his wife, daughter of Walter de Clifford, son of Richard fitz Poncius" donated the mill of Rochford to Haughmond Abbey.

"Rog fil Ric, Walti fr eius…" witnessed the charter dated to [1127] which records that "Ricard Pontii filii" granted the manor of "Lechia" to "Mathildi uxori mee in matrimoniu" in exchange for her original marriage portion, the manor of Ullingswick in Herefordshire, which he gave to "Helie Giff in mat-monu cum filia mea Berta".

The 1130 Pipe Roll records "Walto fil Ric" in Gloucestershire.

A charter of Stephen King of England dated 1138 confirmed donations to Gloucester St Peter including the exchange of "manerio Esleche" for “manerio de Glasberie de Walterio de Cliffort".

"Walterus de Clifforde" confirmed the donation of "medietatem totius manerii de Ullingewike" made to Gloucester St Peter by "Berta soror mea…concessione Helyæ Giffardi filiii sui primogeniti", with the consent of "Walterus filius meus primogenitus", by charter dated 1152.

“…Waltero de Clifford…Osberto filio Hugonis, Willielmo de Bealchamp…” witnessed the undated charter, dated to [1155], which records the donation by “Rogerus comes Herefordiæ” to Brecknock priory.

The 1157 Pipe Roll records "Walto de Clifford" in Herefordshire.

Military fee certifications in the Red Book of the Exchequer, in 1166, name "Walterus de Clifford…quintæ parties i militem" among those providing military service for Westminster abbey in Worcestershire, that "Walterus de Clifford" held "Corpham et Culmintone et Halam de Ernestowe et les Clives" for one knight’s fee from "Roberti de Britone" in Shropshire, and held one knight’s fee in Hereford from the bishop.

Lord of the manor of Rochford in Herefordshire.

“Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Dore abbey, Herefordshire, with the consent of "Margaretæ uxoris meæ", for the souls of "…filiorum et filiarum nostrarum et Osberti filii Hugonis", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Waltero de Clifford juvene et Rosamunda sorore sua…".

“Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, for the souls of "uxoris meæ Margaretæ de Clifford et filiæ nostræ Rosamundæ", confirmed by "Walterus de Clifford junior filius et hæres prædicti Walteri", by undated charter witnessed by "Osbertus filius Hugonis, Hugo de Sey, Ric de Clifford, Will. frater eius…".

"Osbern fitz Hugh" donated a virgate at Richard’s Castle to Haughmond Abbey by charter dated to [1172/85], witnessed by "Walter de Clifford, Walter his son, Hugh de Say and Lucie his wife".

The Red Book of the Exchequer refers to "Walterus de Clifford xx s in hoc comitatu" in Wiltshire in [1186/87].
m MARGARET, daughter of --- (-1185 or before, bur Godstow nunnery).

“Walterus de Clifford” donated property to Dore abbey, Herefordshire, with the consent of "Margaretæ uxoris meæ", for the souls of "…filiorum et filiarum nostrarum et Osberti filii Hugonis", by undated charter, witnessed by "…Waltero de Clifford juvene et Rosamunda sorore sua…".

Eyton highlights that Margaret, wife of Walter [I] de Clifford, "is said, with probability, to have brought him Clifford Castle in frank-marriage, she being a daughter of Ralph de Toni, Domesday Lord of that castle". Under this hypothesis, she would have been Margaret de Tosny, daughter of Raoul [IV] de Tosny & his wife Adelisa of Huntingdon. Eyton implies, but does not actually state, that there is no primary source which confirms that this supposed parentage of Margaret is correct. He also says that "an equally probable account of the mode in which Clifford Castle left the sucession of the Toni is that Maud, wife of Richard fitz Ponce, was a daughter of Ralph de Toni".

The chronology is not particularly favourable for Margaret to have been Raoul de Tosny’s daughter. Raoul’s children must have been born in the range [1104/15], given his marriage in 1103 and the narrow possible birth date range of his wife in [1073/76]. If Margaret was Raoul’s daughter, she would have been old when she died in or before 1185, and her husband even older when he died in 1190 assuming that he was about the same age as his wife.

Let us compare this assessment with the approximate dates which can be assessed for the children of Walter [I] and his wife. Firstly, the couple’s grandson Walter [III] first appears in the records in 1208 (see below), presumably when he was a young adult, which would place his birth in [1180/90]. At that time, his father Walter [II] would likely have been over 40/50 years old if his maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny.

Secondly, Walter [I]’s great-granddaughter, granddaughter of his daughter Lucy, was probably born in [1190/96]: she was reported an infant on her first marriage in 1197, and her father died in [1196]. This would place Lucy’s birth in [1140/50], which would be on the late side if her maternal grandfather had been Raoul de Tosny (although not impossibly late).

Thirdly, when these two cases are slotted together, it appears that Lucy was very likely older than her brother Walter [II]. If that is correct, the Tosny connection is even less likely, given her estimated birth date, if she was one of her parents’ older children.

Another point to make is the absence of compatible onomastics for a Tosny marriage: none of Walter [I]’s children received typical Tosny names (Raoul/Ralph, Roger, Isabel, Adelisa, Godechilde). Walter [I]’s grandson was named Roger, but it is likely that he was named after his maternal grandfather (see below).

A last point of confusion is the reported marriage of Isabelle, another daughter of Raoul [IV] de Tosny, with another Walter FitzRichard (who is probably identified with the son of Richard Lord of Clare and Tonbridge, see NORMANDY NOBILITY).

If Margaret had also been Raoul’s daughter, this would lead to the improbable (although not impossible) coincidence that two of his daughters would have married two different individuals with the same name. In conclusion, the alleged Tosny connection remains something of a mystery but the proposed Tosny parentage of Margaret, wife of Walter [I], does not appear to be the ideal explanation.

“Osbertus filius Hugonis” donated property to Godstow nunnery in Oxfordshire, at the request of “domini Walteri de Clifford” for the souls of "uxoris suæ Margaretæ et…Rosamundæ filiæ suæ", specifying that they were buried at Godstow, with the consent of "Hugonis fratris mei", by undated charter witnessed by "Waltero de Clifford, Ricardo filio suo et Lucia filia sua…".

Walter & his wife had six children:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ENGLISHNOBILITYMEDIEVAL3.htm#WalterFitzRicharddied1190B

Walter was called at first Fitz-Richard Fitz-Pont; but after he came into possession of Clifford-castle, through his mother, he assumed the surname of Clifford.

Acquired Clifford Castle, near Hay, Herefordshire by marriage. He was a marcher lord of Bronilys Castle on the Welsh border and Clifford Castle. Son of Richard Fitzpons and Matilda, daughter of Walter de Gloucester and Bertha de Balun.

Walter de Clifford (1113-1190) (known before the 1130s as Walter FitzRichard) was an Anglo-Norman Marcher Lord of Bronllys Castle on the Welsh border, and was feudal baron of Clifford, seated at Clifford Castle in Herefordshire.

According to Eyton, he succeeded to the estates of his uncles Walter and Drogo. These two brothers figure in Domesday as the possessors of lands in Herefordshire, Berkshire, and other counties. His father Richard seems to have died between 1115 and 1138, in which latter year we find 'Walter de Cliffort' signing a Gloucester charter. He reappears under the same name in 1155.

He probably obtained the barony of Clifford, from his wife Margaret, asserted to be the daughter of Raoul IV de Conches and thus the Granddaughter of Raoul II of Tosny, feudal lord of Flamstead, who is shown, in 1086, as 'tenant-in-chief' of this fee, the multiple lords being listed as Drogo (son of Poyntz); Gilbert (son of Turold); Herbert; and Roger. (A second listing for Clifford in Doomsday shows Roger de Lacy, as lord and tenant-in-chief, of a small portion of this barony, being taxed on 4 carucates)

According to another theory, his mother Maud, wife of Richard FitzPonce, was the original holder of it. Towards the middle of Henry II's reign, he was possessed of the manors of Corfham, Culmington, in Shropshire. He was a benefactor to several monasteries, e.g. Haughmond Abbey, Dore, and Godstow.

Clifford's name occurs in the Welsh annals as lord of the castle of Llandovery. He ravaged the lands of Rhys ap Gruffydd, who, finding his complaints to Henry II disregarded, surprised his castle (1157-9).

In 1163, he is said to have slain Einion ab Anarawd, son of Anarawd ap Gruffydd. In 1164, he is said to have slain Cadwgan, son of Maredudd. He was still living in 1187, and according to Eyton died in 1190.

Family
He was the son of Richard FitzPons and Matilda, who was the sister of Miles de Gloucester, 1st Earl of Hereford.

He is now best known for his daughter, Rosamund Clifford, with Margaret de Toeni, daughter of Ralph de Toeni.

Walter and Margaret's children were:
Walter de Clifford (c. 1160 - 17 January 1221)
Gilbert
Richard
Amicia, married Osbern fitz Hugh of Richards Castle
Lucia, married Hugh de Say of Clun Castle
Rosamund Clifford, known as "the fair Rosamund", the mistress of King Henry II.

The main part of the Clifford estates passed to Matilda, a great-granddaughter, wife of Sir William Longespée (grandson of William Longespée, 3rd Earl of Salisbury), whose daughter, Margery Longespée, brought them to her husband, Henry de Lacy, 3rd Earl of Lincoln. Walter de Clifford's grandson Roger (died 1231) was father of Roger (died 1285?).
SOURCE: Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_de_Clifford_(died_1190)

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