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Persönliche Daten Graaf Giselbert I van Sens van de Maasgouw 

• Alternative Namen: Giselbert I (Gilbert) Count of Maasgau, Count of Darnau (Mädchenname, Name vor der ersten Ehe), Giselbert de Sens (Mädchenname, Name vor der ersten Ehe), Giselbert I of Maas & Toxandrien (Mädchenname, Name vor der ersten Ehe), Giselbert de Oude (nick), Comte Giselbert I de Maasgau (Mädchenname, Name vor der ersten Ehe), Giselbert I of Brabant, Giselbert van de Bidgouw, Comte Giselbert I de Sens de Maasgouw, Giselbert I d'Alsace, Giselbert I van Sens, de Maasgau, Giselbert I van Sens, Gislebert I von Toxandrien, Comte Giselbert I van Sens van de Maasgouw, Giselbert I of Toxandria, Giselbert I of Sens, Graaf Giselbert van de Bidgouw, van Sens van de Maasgouw, Reginar im Bidgau, Giselbert Duke of Lorraine, Giselbert I van Sens, Graaf van Maasgouw
• Er wurde geboren ca 795 in Moselle (Maasgau, Maasgouw), Meuse, Lorraine, Francia (Frankenrijk).

  785 ?; 790 ?, Meuse, Lorraine; 795 ?, Maasgau, Meuse River Valley; ca 800; between 790 and 800 ?, Toxandrien, Noord-Brabant; 825

• Er wurde getauft ca 842.

  Giselbertus

• Berufe:
• De Bidgouw, ook wel Bitgouw (Duits: Bidgau of Bitgau, Latijn: pagus Bedensis) was een Frankische gouw rond het stadje Bitburg in Rijnland-Palts. Het gouwgraafschap hield rond 1050 op te bestaan en ging over in het graafschap Luxemburg, dat in de 16e eeuw deel werd van de Habsburgse Nederlanden. Pas in 1815, bij het Congres van Wenen, werd Bitburg, samen met het hele oostelijke deel van Luxemburg aan Pruisen afgestaan..
• Count in the Maasgau.
• Count in the valley of the Meuse river.
• Count of Massgau.
• Graaf van de Maasgouw.
• Graf in Bidgau.
• Er ist verstorben im Jahr 842 in Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne (Austrasia), France, er war 47 Jahre alt.

  846 ?; Toxandrien, Noord-Brabant; 863 ?; 14-06-0877 ?; 885 ?; Maasgau, Meuse Valley, Austrasia

• Er wurde beerdigt im Jahr 842 in Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne (Austrasia), France.
• Ein Kind von Karel de Grote und Regina (Reginopycrha) von Aachen
• Ein Kind von Karolus (Carolus Magnus Charlemagne Charles the Great) und Regina (Reginopycrha) von Aachen
• Ein Kind von Gainfroi de Sens de Moselle (Maasgouw) und Theidlindis Rheinlindus de Blois
• Ein Kind von Karolus (Carolus Magnus Charlemagne Karel de Grote) der Franken und Regina (Reginopycrha) von Aachen
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 9. Juli 2020.

Familie von Graaf Giselbert I van Sens van de Maasgouw

Er hat eine Beziehung mit Bertswinda de Hesbaye.

Kind(er):

1. Giselbert II van de Maasgouw (Maasgau, Moselle)  825-885 

Notizen bei Graaf Giselbert I van Sens van de Maasgouw

Huwelijk: Mother born same day as son

Life Sketch:

Giselbert II de Lorraine Von Maasgau II
GISELBERT II, ·Äã·Äã3rd graf von Maasgau (Meuse county) MAASGAU (von)
Giselbert de Lorraine, comte de Maasgau

This Family Group Sheet Works. Remember, he is Giselbert II and NOT his father Gislebert I.
https://origin-science.org/Giselbert-de-Lorraine-II

NOTICE THAT HIS IDENTITY AND HIS PARENTAGE IS IN DISPUTE. HE COULD BE ANYONE, OR NOBODY AT ALL.

HIS ASSIGNED FATHER'S IDENTITY AND PARENTAGE IS IN DISPUTE. HIS ASSIGNED GRANDFATHER'S PARENTAGE AND IDENTITY IS IN DISPUTE. BOTH HIS ASSIGNED FATHER AND HIS ASSIGNED GRANDFATHER ARE BELIEVED BY SOME TO BE DESCENDED FROM CHARLEMAGNE. I PERSONALLY CHOOSE TO GO WITH THE CHARLEMAGNE CONNECTION BECAUSE THAT PRODUCES THE BEST RESULTS IN TERMS OF TEMPLE WORK, BUT IT MAY OR MAY NOT BE TRUE. WITH DISPUTED PARENTAGES, WE HAVE TO TAKE EVERYTHING INTO CONSIDERATION AND INCLUDE EVERY POSSIBILITY, AND MANY CONSIDER CHARLEMAGNE AS AN ANCESTOR TO BE A REAL POSSIBILITY.

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The proper approach to a disputed parentage is to be merciful and gracious -- to give our ancestors options. In contrast, the typical approach taken by most fallen human beings is to conclude that they are right and then to try to force their opinions and beliefs and conclusions onto everyone else. We need to be better than that. We need to give our ancestors options, not take them away.

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Parents

GISELBERT I, 2nd graf von Maasgau (Meuse county) MAASGAU (von) ca 795-842

BERTSWINDA (robertien) HASPENGAU (von)

Spouses and children

Married in 848 to ERMENGARDE (Carolingian) GERMANY (de) 827 (Parents: LOTHAIRE I born in FRANCY (Carolingian), King of Italy, Lotharingia & Emperor of the West 840-855 GERMANY (de) 795-855 & ERMENGARDE, (By Covenant) Empress of the West TOURS (de) 804-851 )

with children

ADALBERT I or ALBERT I called RAINIER, 4th graf von Maasgau (county of Meuse) 892-928..936, count of Hesbaye (Belgium) 902 MAASGAU (von) 847-928

RÉGNIER I born of MAASGAU said AU LONG COL, the count of Hainaut & Maasgau (county of Meuse) HAINAUT (de) ca 850-915..916

RICWIN or RICUIN says D'ARDENNES said DE VERDUN, count of Bigdau & Verdun (55) MAASGAU (von) 864-923
X, wife ODAKAR V says THE BIG OF BOULOGNE MAASGAU (von) 865

Notes
Individual Note
Giselbert de Maasgau, born about 825 and died after 877 and perhaps after September 6, 885 was count in Maasgau (county of Meuse).

In 846, he abducts and marries Ermengarde, daughter of Emperor Lothair I, the marriage is recognized in 849. They have a son:
Regnier I Hainaut, said Regnier Long Col, born around 850 and died in Meerssen between 25 August 915 and January 19, 916. He was Count of Hainaut and Maasgau.

Source: wikipedia (Gislebert de Maasgau).

sources
Birth, death: Wikipedia (Gislebert de Maasgau).
Spouse: Wikipedia (Irmengarde of Germania).

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maasgau+von

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+de+maasgau

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Gilbert (Giselbert), Count of Maasgau, was a vassal of Charles the Bald. He is generally described as count of Maasgau (nl) on the lower Meuse. This is because the primary document that refers to him calls him "comes Mansuariorum". Mansuaria has however been proposed to be an early Frankish gau in the same general region, probably part of the later Hesbaye.[1]

Gilbert's background is not known. The similarity of his apparent son's name to the name "Ragnar" has been used as an argument to suggest a Viking connection.[2] Another possibility is that he was related to a man named Reginar, son of Meginhere (a nobleman from the court of Charlemagne).

Gilbert had served King Lothair I, but defected to Lothair's half-brother Charles the Bald during the civil war of 840ဓ843. Gilbert's lands eventually came under the rule of Lothair and his rights as count were revoked. In 846 Gilbert abducted an unnamed daughter of Lothair and his wife Ermengarde of Tours. He took her to Aquitaine and married her in an attempt to force Lothair to reinstate him.[3] Rösch suggests that Gilbert's wife was named Ermengarde, but there is no conclusive evidence that this is correct.[4]

Children may include:

Reginar I (c. 850·Äì916). There is no primary source unequivocally stating that Reginar was Gilbert's son.
Albert is mentioned as a brother of Reginar, probably Reginar I or a relative.[5]

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https://origin-science.org/Giselbert-de-Lorraine-II

Giselbert de Lorraine, comte de Maasgau

French: Giselbert de Lorraine, comte de Basse-Lorraine
Also Known As: "Gilbert", "aka Gislebert I von TOXANDRIEN; vom MASSGAU", "Gilbert von Maasgau", "Gilbert de Moselle", "Gislebert", "Giselbert /de Hainaut/", "Giselbert Of The /Maasgau/", "(Gijsbrecht)", "Giselbert", "Darnau", "the Meuse", "Von Barnau Zu Maasgau Count Of Brabant"
Birthdate: circa 830 (62)
Death: 892 (58-66)

Rheims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France
Immediate Family:

Husband of Princess Ermengarde de Lorraine

Father of Adalbert von Maasgau, I; Reginar I "Longneck", Duke of Lorraine and Count of Hainault; Richwin de Verdun, comte d'Ardennes; Ehrenfried Count in the Bliesgau, the Keldachgau and of Charmois, I. and Sigard von Maasgau

Occupation: Comte de Brabant, comte en Maasgau, comte de Lomme, graaf in de Lommengouw vv.846-849, graaf van de Darnau 863, Duc, de Hesbaye, Comte, de Mansuarie, de Lomegau, de Brabant, de Basse-Lorraine, Comte de Maasgau, Count of Brabant, Count of Darnau.

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