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Persönliche Daten Ebles 'le Fort' 'Fortis' "Archeveque" de Roucy Comte de Reims et Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims 

• Alternative Namen: Eblo I de Rheims, Count of Reims I Ebles
• Spitzname ist Archeveque.
• Er wurde geboren rund 988Roucy
  Picardy France.
• Er wurde getauft rund 994 in (alternate birth date).
• Er wurde getauft.
• Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche .
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche .
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Alternative: Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche am 26. Juli 1938.
• Titel: Count
• Berufe:
• unknown in Archbishop of Rheims.
• unknown in Count De Rouci &, Of Rheims.
• Conde de Roucy.
• unknown.
• Comte, de Reims, de Roucy, Sieur, de Marle, Vidame, Archevêque, de Reims.
• Greve og erkebiskop.
• Count of Rheims and Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims.
• Er ist verstorben am 11. Mai 1033Reims
  Champagne-Ardenne France.
• Er wurde beerdigt am 5. November 1987 in Reims, Marne, Champagne-Ardenne, France.
• Ein Kind von Ebles de Roucy und N.N. de Mâcon
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 9. Dezember 2017.

Familie von Ebles 'le Fort' 'Fortis' "Archeveque" de Roucy Comte de Reims et Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims

Er ist verheiratet mit Béatrix de Hainaut.

Sie haben geheiratet Mai 987 in Roucy,Aisne,France.

Kind(er):

1. Aelis (Adélaïde) de Roucy  ± 1000-1066 
2. Hedwige de Roucy  ± 1035-± 1070 

Notizen bei Ebles 'le Fort' 'Fortis' "Archeveque" de Roucy Comte de Reims et Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims

GIVN Ebles I, Count
SURN Roucy
AFN 9HMH-RB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:46

GIVN Ebles I, Count
SURN Roucy
AFN 9HMH-RB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:46

Weis, p. 100; 133 - Count of Rheims and Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims

Name Prefix: Count Name Suffix: I, Archbishop Of Rheims

Greve av Roucy i 997.
Erkebiskop av Reims.

Also Archbishop of Rheims

[Weis 100] Archbishop of Rheims

[2386] WSHNGT.ASC file (Geo Washington Ahnentafel) # 8720846 = 459782

EDWARD3.TXT b 994

GIVN Ebles I, Count
SURN Roucy
AFN 9HMH-RB
DATE 9 SEP 2000
TIME 13:15:46

#Générale##Générale#archevêque de Reims 1021, couronna Philippe I

note couple : #Générale#s:ds01.236 ; ds03.675a ; webpark

#Générale#Profession : Comte de Reims.

{geni:about_me} His parentage has been the subject of much discussion and dispute, with many conflicting interpretations. Ebles and his apparent siblings (Eudes/Odo "the Strong", Lietard de Marle, and Jutta Countess of Rethel) have long been posited as children of Gislebert de Roucy because of inheritance of the Count of Roucy title. However, recent scholarship by Jean-Noel Mathieu (20000; see Todd Farmerie's summary, below) problematizes this model and presents an alternative which places these four instead as children of Eudes of Poitou and an unnamed daughter of Aubri II de Macon and Ermentrude.

From: "Todd A. Farmerie" ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX))
Subject: Mathieu: Parentage of Ebles, Count of Roucy
Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:28:09 -0700

Jean-Noel Mathieu, La succession au comte de Roucy aux environs
de l'an mil. Les origines de l'archeveque de Reims Ebles
(1021-1033). in Onomastique et Parente dans l'Occident medieval,
K.S.B. Keats-Rohan and C. Settipani, eds., (2000) pp. 75-84.

In 967, Renaud, Count of Roucy died, leaving four children:
Bruno, Gislebert, Ermentrude, and another daughter, name unknown,
who married Fromond II of Sens. Bruno (a name which by this time
seemed to mark those destined for the church) became Bishop of
Langres, while Gislebert succeeded his father as Count of Roucy,
dying about 1000. At this time (in fact, for a period before)
Roucy passes into a period of obscurity, which only resolves with
the appearance of Ebles, Count of Roucy, in the 1020s, who was
likewise made Archbishop of Reims. Ebles has traditionally been
placed in a direct line of succession, viewed as son of
Gislebert, but Gislebert is not known to have married or had
children, while several other factors raise red flags (i.e. the
name Ebles has no prior exemplar in this family, the time from
the death of Renaud to the appearance of Ebles seems long for
only one intervening generation). This leads Mathieu to conclude
that Ebles was not son of Gislebert, and came about his title
through a less direct route.

Ebles' family consisted of a brother, Eudes, known from
contemporary documents, and two siblings, Letaud of Marle and
Jutta, wife of Manasses of Rethel found in an ancient
genealogical source from Foigny. (Jutta is not discussed
further, but while Ebles apparently d. 1033, Manasses was not
even active until 1066, and was still living in 1081 - the
chronology doesn't work, so there must be some sort of error
here, as others have pointed out). This gives us a group of
names, Ebles, Eudes, and Letaud (leaving out Jutta because of the
chronological difficulties) that can be useful in identifying
their kinship. Also of use are the titles themselves. Rumigny,
Coucy (in the hands of the maternal grandson of Letaud, and
thought to have come through this line) and Reims itself have
links to the Blois counts, and specifically the descendants of
Thibaud with Liegarde of Vermandois. This is where the data
ends, and the hypotheses begin.

The name Ebles appears prominantly only in the family of Ebles
Manzer, Count of Poitou. His grandson William II (IV), Count of
Poitou, married Emma, sister of Eudes I, Count of Blois and son
of Thibaud and Liegarde, so a descent from this marriage would
seemingly explain not only the names Ebles and Eudes, but also
the descent of some of the smaller holdings of the family. The
chronology is a bit of a challenge because of the multiple
marriages and children of William III (V), but it would seem that
Ebles Count of Roucy would belong in the generation of his
grandchildren, and a possible candidate for his father is an
Ebles, brother of Count William III, who is known from only one
document dating from the reign on Robert II of France.

Such a solution leaves unaddressed the succession to Roucy
itself, as well as the name Letaud, and so provisionally
accepting Eudes as father, we turn to the maternal lineage. The
most obvious earlier occurance for Letaud is the father of Count
Aubri of Macon. This man married a woman named Ermentrude, and
from an early date, she has been identified with the daughter of
Renaud de Roucy, and subsequent wife of Otto-William, Count of
Burgundy. However, recently it has been argued that there are
difficulties with this identification, mostly chronological.
However, a closer look shows that these problems can be resolved,
and an early source specifically states that the widow of Aubri
married William, and from this marriage came Otto, Count of
Macon. Thus it would seem that the name Letaud and the Roucy
inheritance would have been united in a child of the marriage of
Aubri II with Ermentrude de Roucy.

(As an aside, this resolution of the chronological difficulties
with identifying Ermentrude as wife both of Aubri and
Otto-William requires the supposition that Aubri married twice,
and that Beatrice, wife of Geoffrey of Gatinais, ancestress of
the Anjou Counts, must have been by the earlier wife. The author
hypothesizes that she may have been a sister of Hugh Capet.
While not explained, the reasoning would seem to be based on the
name Beatrice, a name found in that family since Robert (I)
married Beatrice of Vermandois. Other writings in the same
compilation add a generation, making Beatrice daughter of Aubri
by a daughter of Geoffrey, Vicomte of Orleans, who in turn is
made brother-in-law, of Hugh Capet.)

By hypothesizing a marriage between Eudes of Poitou and a
daughter of Aubri II and Ermentrude, Mathieu brings together the
various names, Ebles, Eudes and Letaud, with the various titles,
Rumigny, Coucy, Reims, and most importantly Roucy. (It would
also recapitulate a common pattern, in which brothers William and
Ebles of Poitou married half-sisters daughters of Ermentrude.)
The solution is not without problems - most importantly, Ebles
and his wife Beatrice of Hainaut would both be
great-grandchildren of William I (III) (assuming the correct
identification of Adelaide, wife of Hugh Capet). Mathieu
suggests that this marriage, which produced just two daughters,
may have been ended in premature separation due to consanginity.

That, then, is the Mathieu hypothesis.

taf
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Ebles I, de Roucy , Count of Reims

M, b. circa 994, d. 11 May 1033

Last Edited20 Sep 2006

Marriage*Ebles I, de Roucy , Count of Reims married Bâeatrice, Countess of Hainault, daughter of Rainier IV, Count de Hainault and Adwige (Avoise) Capet Princess of France.

Birth*Ebles I, de Roucy , Count of Reims was born circa 994 in Roucy, Aisne, France.

Death*He died on 11 May 1033.

Family

Bâeatrice, Countess of Hainault b. circa 998, d. 11 May 1033

Children

* Avice (Avoise) de Roucy b. c 1002, d. a 1070

* Alice (Adela) de Roucy+ b. c 1014, d. 1063

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Ebles I of Roucy (died 11 May 1033) was count of Roucy from 1000 to 1033 and archbishop of Reims from 1021 to 1033. His father was Giselbert, Count of Roucy and Reims.

Catholic Church titles

Preceded by

Arnulf Archbishop of Reims

1021–1033 Succeeded by

Guy of Roucy

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Ebles de Turenne, died Abt. 1030. He was the son of 32. Archembaud of Comdorn and 33. Sulpice de Turenne. He married 17. Beatrix of Normandy 988.

17. Beatrix of Normandy, born Aft. 985. She was the daughter of 34. Richard of Normandy I and 35. Gunnora Haraldsdatter of Denmark.

Child of Ebles de Turenne and Beatrix Normandy is:

8 i. William de Turenne, married Matilda ?.

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Ebles was also called Graf von Roucy Ebalus I von Roucy German.

Ebles I, comte de Reims & de Roucy, married Beatrix de Hainaut, daughter of Régnier IV, comte de Hainaut and Adwige de France, before 1013. They were divorced after 1015.

See "My Lines"

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/p338.htm#i7073 )

from Compiler: R. B. Stewart, Evans, GA

( http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cousin/html/index.htm )
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Ebles I Comte de Rheims & Roucy 1 2

Born: 988 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Died: 11 MAY 1033 in Reims, Marne, Champagne, France 3

Buried: Archbishop of Rheims 3

Father: Giselbert Comte de Roucy, & Rheims b: ABT 951 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Mother: __________ de Macon b: ABT 970 in Macon, Saone-et-Loire, Bourgogne, France

Marriage 1 Beatrix of Hainault b: 992 in Hainault, France

Children:

Avise de Roucy b: ABT 1010 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Aelis de Roucy b: ABT 1012 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Alice (Alix\Adela) Countess de Roucy b: ABT 1014 in Roucy, Aisne, Picardy, France

Sources:

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 106-22

Title: The Plantagenet Ancestry, by William Henry Turton, 1968

Page: 199

Title: Ancestral Roots of Certain American Colonists, 7th Edition, by Frederick Lewis Weis, additions by Walter Lee Sheppard Jr., 1999

Page: 144a-22
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His parentage has been the subject of much discussion and dispute, with many conflicting interpretations. Ebles and his apparent siblings (Eudes/Odo "the Strong", Lietard de Marle, and Jutta Countess of Rethel) have long been posited as children of Gislebert de Roucy because of inheritance of the Count of Roucy title. However, recent scholarship by Jean-Noel Mathieu (20000; see Todd Farmerie's summary, below) problematizes this model and presents an alternative which places these four instead as children of Eudes of Poitou and an unnamed daughter of Aubri II de Macon and Ermentrude.

From: "Todd A. Farmerie" ((XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)) Subject: Mathieu: Parentage of Ebles, Count of Roucy Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2001 16:28:09 -0700
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Ebles I was the Count of Roucy from 1000 to 1033 and the Archbishop of Reims from 1021 to 1033.
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[EUDES "le Fort/fortis" (-27 Aug after 1021). The necrology of the church of Reims records the death "VI Kal Sep" of "Odo Fortis frater domini Ebali archiepiscopi"

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORTHERN%20FRANCE.htm#AdaMarleMEnguerrandICoucy

Source: THE RUFUS PARKS PEDIGREE by Brian J.L. Berry.

Page 55 chart: Ebles c. of Rheims & Roucy

!Page 54:

!9c. -- Beatrix of Hainaut, mar. Ebles I, Count of Rheims and Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims, d. 11 May 1033.

!Availability: The libraries of Ken, Karen, Kristen, Kevin, Brian, Amy, Adam and FAL

Ancestral File Number: 9HMH-RB

from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.

852678006. Greve Ebles I GISELBERTSON Roucy was a Greve in 997 in Roucy.(19225) He was an Erkebiskop in Reims.(19226) He was married to Beatrix REGINARSDTR av Hennegau. (19227)

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library

Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (106:22b), (144A:22), (151:21). Count of
Rheims and Roucy. Archbishop of Rheims.

Weis' "Ancestral Roots. . ." (106:22b), (144A:22), (151:21). Count of
Rheims and Roucy. Archbishop of Rheims.

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SOURCE NOTES:
http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~churchh/edw3chrt.html

RESEARCH NOTES:
Count of Roucy

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library

COUNT OF RHEIMS & ROUCY

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library
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Also de Reimes. [BROOKES.GED]

Count of Rheims and Roucy, Archbishop of Rheims.

Also have birth as ca 988 in Reims, Marne, France. [Betz Homepage http://info.lu.farmingdale.edu/~betzja/gene]

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library

!SOURCES:
1. Americans of Royal Descent, Los Angeles Library

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