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Persönliche Daten Herbert II van Vermandois 

• Er wurde geboren rund 880.
• Titel: Graaf, van Vermandois
• Er ist verstorben am 23. Februar 943 in Saint-Quentin, Hauts-de-France, Frankrijk.
• Ein Kind von Herbert I van Vermandois und Nn Nn

Familie von Herbert II van Vermandois

Er ist verheiratet mit Adelheid de Bourgogne.

Sie haben geheiratet vor 21. Mai 907.

Kind(er):

1. Robert I van Vermandois  ± 910-> 966 
2. Liutgard van Vermandois  ± 914-> 985 
3. Adela van Vermandois  ± 916-960 
4. Albert I van Vermandois  ± 931-987 
5. Guy de Soissons   

Notizen bei Herbert II van Vermandois

HERIBERT [II], son of HERIBERT [I] Comte de Vermandois & his wife [Lietgardis] --- ([880]-23 Feb 943, bur Saint Quentin). None of the sources so far consulted state explicitly that Héribert [II] and his sister Beatrix were the children of Héribert [I] but this looks probable. He succeeded his father in [900/907] as Comte de Meaux, de Soissons et de Vermandois. Lay Abbot of St Crépin and St Médard at Soissons. Comte Héribert took part in the rebellion against Charles III “le Simple” King of France in 922 and tricked the ex-king into capture after he fled following his defeat near Soissons in 923. Flodoard records in 923 that "Heribertus comes" sent “Bernardum consobrinum suum” with a delegation “ad Karolum” who was “in castello suo super Somnam apud Sanctum Quintinum”, and who was detained “in...munitionem suam...Castellum Theoderici super Maternam fluvium”[198]. Héribert consolidated his power by arranging for his young son to be made Archbishop of Reims. Comte Héribert received Péronne from Raoul King of France in 924. Together with forces of Arnoul I Count of Flanders, Héribert captured the Viking stronghold of Eu[199]. Following this he apparently forged an alliance with Comte Rollo in [927][200], leaving his son Eudes with Rollo as a hostage. Comte Héribert unsuccessfully attempted to capture Laon in 927[201]. [Comte de Vienne]: Flodoard records that Ugo King of Italy gave "provintiam Viennensem" to Héribert Comte de Varmandois in 928, and that "Odonis filii sui [=Heriberto]" was appointed vicecomes[202]. No primary source has yet been identified which describes Héribert as “Comte de Vienne” or confirms whether he adopted the comital title. Flodoard provides an insight into the continuing rivalries regarding Vienne when he records in 933 that it was granted to "Rodulfo regi" [Rudolf II King of Upper Burgundy, see the document BURGUNDY KINGS][203]. With help from Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], King Raoul subdued Vermandois and Comte Héribert made his submission to the king[204]. In 939. Héribert joined the alliance against Louis IV King of France led by Otto I "der Große" King of Germany, who raided Frankish territory and forced King Louis to renounce his claim to the throne of Lotharingia. Together with Hugues "le Grand" [Capet], Héribert besieged Reims, forcing the restoration of his son as archbishop, and also besieged King Louis at Laon. Flodoard records the death of "Heribertus comes" in 943 and his burial at Saint-Quentin[205]. The necrology of Reims Cathedral records the death "VII Kal Mar" of "Heribertus comes"[206]. On his death in 943, his territories were divided between his sons by their maternal uncle Hugues "le Grand".

m (before 21 May 907) [ADELA], daughter of ROBERT Marquis en Neustrie, Comte de Paris [later ROBERT I King of France] & his first wife [Adela] --- (before 898-). The Chronicle of Alberic de Trois-Fontaines refers to "comitis Heriberti gener…Roberti" and in a later passage to the sister of "dux Hugo Cappatus" as the wife of "comitis Heriberti de Peroni, Campanie et Veromandie" but does not name her[207]. Her origin is confirmed by Flodoard naming "Hugo dux cum nepotibus suis, Heriberti filiis" in 943[208]. Her birth date is estimated from the birth of her first child in [915]. Her name is deduced as follows. The 21 May 907 donation of Rebais abbey to the church of Paris refers to "comitis Rotberti et Adele comitisse"[209]. Although this phrasing usually indicates husband and wife, Settipani suggests that the chronology of the life of King Robert's son Hugues (attested as Robert's son by his second wife Béatrix) favours his birth, and therefore his father's second marriage, well before 907, which would mean "Adele" could not have been Robert's wife. This reasoning appears based firstly on Hugues already being married in [914], and secondly on the probability of his having reached the age of majority when he was recognised as duke in 922. The 907 document is explained as referring to Robert and his elder daughter. The issue, however, is not beyond doubt, especially if the document in question was misdated. Her marriage date assumes that this identification is correct.

Comte Héribert II & his wife had [eight] children:
ODO [Eudes] ([915]-after 19 Jun 946).
ADELA de Vermandois ([915]-[Bruges 10 Oct] 960, bur Ghent, St Pieter).
HERIBERT [III] "le Vieux" ([910/26]-[983/early 985], bur Lagny).
HUGUES (920-Meaux 962)
LUITGARDIS (before 925-14 Nov after 985, bur Chartres, Abbaye de Saint-Père)
ROBERT (-after 19 Jun 966).
ADALBERT [Albert] (-8 Sep 987)
GUY (-after [986])

Bronnen:

[198] Flodoard 923, MGH SS III, p. 372.

[199] Settipani (1993), p. 224.

[200] Annals of Flodoard of Reims, quoted in Houts (2000), p. 45.

[201] McKitterick (1983), p. 312.

[202] Flodoard 928, MGH SS III, p. 378.

[203] Flodoard 933, MGH SS III, p. 381.

[204] McKitterick (1983), p. 312.

[205] Flodoard 943, MGH SS III, p. 389.

[206] 'Obits mémorables tirés de nécrologes luxembourgeois, rémois et messins', Revue Mabillon VI (1910-1911), p. 273.

[207] Chronica Albrici Monachi Trium Fontium 920 and 988, MGH SS XXIII, pp. 756 and 774.

[208] Flodoard 944, MGH SS III, p. 390.

[209] Diplôme de Charles III, no 57, Lauer, quoted in Settipani (1993), p. 407.

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