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Persönliche Daten Thierry II de Lorraine 

• Alternative Name: van Lotharingen
• Er wurde geboren rund 1050.
• Titel: Graaf, van de Elzas en van Bouzonville
• Titel: Hertog, van Opper-Lotharingen
• Er ist verstorben am 30. Dezember 1115.
• Ein Kind von Gerard ll de Lorraine und Hedwig van Namen

Familie von Thierry II de Lorraine

(1) Er ist verheiratet mit Hedwig van Formbach.

Sie haben geheiratet.

Kind(er):

1. Simon I de Lorraine  ± 1076-1139 
2. Petronilla de Lorraine  ± 1082-1144 

(2) Er ist verheiratet mit Gertrudis van Vlaanderen.

Sie haben geheiratet.

Kind(er):

1. Gisela van de Elzas  ± 1092-???? 
2. Diederik III van de Opper Lotharingen  ± 1095-1168 

Notizen bei Thierry II de Lorraine

THIERRY de Lorraine (-30 Dec 1115). The Notitiæ Fundationis Monasterii Bosonis-Villæ records the succession of "dux Theodericus puer parvulus Gerhardi ducis filius"[12], although, considering the estimated birth date range of his mother, Thierry must have been adult when his father died. He succeeded his father in 1070 as THIERRY II Duke of Lorraine, opposed by his brother to whom he ceded territories which became the county of Vaudémont in Apr 1073 after waging war for two years. Weakened by this conflict, Louis Comte de Mousson claimed the title duke from Duke Thierry. "Hadewidis ductrix" founded the abbey of Châtenois by charter dated to after 1075, confirmed "post obitum ductricis Hadewidis" by "dux Theodericus filius eius"[13].

m firstly ([1080]) as her second husband, HEDWIG von Formbach, widow of GERHARD von Süpplingenburg Graf im Harzgau, daughter of FRIEDRICH Graf von Formbach & his wife Gertrud von Haldensleben (-[1090/93]). According to Poull, Duke Thierry unsuccessfully petitioned the Pope in early 1079 to marry Agnès d'Aquitaine, widow of Pierre Comte de Savoie, which if correct means that his first marriage inevitably took place after this[20].

m secondly (Han-sur-Lesse 15 Aug 1095) as her second husband, GERTRUDE de Flandre, widow of HENRI III Comte de Louvain, daughter of ROBERT I "Friso" Count of Flanders & his wife Gertrud of Saxony [Billung] (-[1115/26]). Her parentage and both her marriages are deduced from the Cartulaire de Saint-Bertin in which is named "Gertrude filia Roberti Frisonis, vidua Henrici Bruselensis" mother of "Theodericum" who is in turn named "filium Theoderici ducis de Helsath"[21]. The Genealogica Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana specifies that "Robertus comes cognomento Frisio" had three daughters "tercia Theoderico comiti Alsatie [nupsit]"[22].

Duke Thierry II & his first wife had [four] children:
SIMON de Lorraine (-13/14 Jan 1139, bur Stulzbron)
GERTRUDE [Petronilla] de Lorraine (-23 May 1144, bur Rijnsburg).
FROUNICA
HARA (-after 21 Mar 1156)

Duke Thierry II & his second wife had [six] children:
THIERRY de Lorraine ([1099/1101]-17 Jan 1168).
GERARD de Lorraine (-after 1117).
HENRI de Lorraine (-6 Jun 1165, bur Toul Cathedral).
BAUDOUIN
ERMENGARDE de Lorraine
GISELA de Lorraine

Bronnen:

[12] Notitiæ Fundationis Monasterii Bosonis-Villæ I, MGH SS XV.2, p. 978.

[13] Molesme II, 119 and 127, pp. 120 and 126.

[14] Didier-Laurent ‘L’abbaye de Remiremont’ (1897), p. 390.

[15] Poull (1991), p. 23.

[16] Calmet, A. (1748) Histoire de Lorraine (Nancy), Tome III, Preuves, col. xx.

[17] Poull (1991), p. 24.

[18] Sommier (1726), L, p. 370.

[19] Mavot, P. 'L'obituaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Mansuy-lès-Toul', Revue Mabillon XIX 1929, p. 56.

[20] Poull (1991), p. 25.

[21] Guérard, M. (ed.) (1840) Cartulaire de l'abbaye de Saint-Bertin, Collection des cartularies de France Tome III (Paris) ("Saint-Bertin") II.11, p. 299.

[22] Genealogica Comitum Flandriæ Bertiniana, Continuatio Leidensis et Divionensis (Cod. Divion. et Cisterc. addunt), MGH SS IX, p. 307, where the second daughter is incorrectly referred to as the wife of Philippe II King of France.

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