{geni:job_title} Sieur, de Courtenay
Er ist verheiratet mit Ermengarde de Nevers.
Sie haben geheiratet rund 1095 in France.
Kind(er):
Miles de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay is the son of Josselin de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay and Elizabeth de Montlhéry.1 He married Ermengarde de Nevers, daughter of Renaud II, Comte de Nevers, circa 1095.2 He died after 1145.2
He founded the Cistercian Abbey of Fontaine-Jean.2 He gained the title of Seigneur de Courtenay.2
Children of Miles de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay and Ermengarde de Nevers
Renaud de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay+ d. c 11922
William de Courtenay, Seigneur de Courtenay d. b 11522
Citations
[S37] Charles Mosley, editor, Burke's Peerage, Baronetage & Knightage, 107th edition, 3 volumes (Wilmington, Delaware, U.S.A.: Burke's Peerage (Genealogical Books) Ltd, 2003), volume 1, page 1121. Hereinafter cited as Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition.
[S37] Charles Mosley, Burke's Peerage and Baronetage, 107th edition, volume 1, page 1122.
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Seigneur de Courtenay, aka Milo.
3rd generation Courtenay.
[Alan Wilsongen.med. Aug 30 '95]
[David Collyer6-11-96] ' I've been
ploughing through your ancient6 gedcom and discovered that you have
omitted a generation. Note that there are two consecutive generations
where a Renaud De C. marries a Hawise. If you read through the
following, you will see that demonstrated. Neither of my two 'Hawise'
women appear to have any connection with the name d'ABINSIS which
yours has My info has come from the Royal Pedigrees from the
University of Hull on the WWW.Fourth Generation 4. Milo De COURTENAY (3.Josselin3 ,
2.Athon2 , 1.Renaud1 ) b. 1069, Occ: Sire De Courtenay, m. c. 1085,
Ermengarde De NEVERS, b. 1073, (daughter of Renaud and Ida De FOREZ)
d. 1095. Milo died 1127. Founder of the Cistercian Abbey of
Fonatine-Jean. Children:
5. i Renaud (Reginald) De COURTENAY b.
1100....' [DC] 6-24-96: >DC>It says that Milo De COURTENAY m.
Ermengarde De NEVERS, daughter >DC>of Reginald (Renaud) De NEVERS and
grandaughter of Robert, King of >DC>France).
>[AJB] Hmmm.... Reginald De NEVERS b. 1047 m. Ida De FOREZ b. 1049...
Dear Anna, Having spent hours last night ploughing through one of Paul
Theroff's files, I have found the forebears of Ermengarde De NEVERS. I
can't see that she's a descendant of King Robert II of France at all
Check this out: 4 Generations
1. Guillame I De NEVERS b. d'Auxerre, Occ: Cte Nevers & d'Auxerre, m.
Ermengarde De TONNERRE, Occ: Countess, d. 1090. Guillame died 1100.
1.1. Renaud II De NEVERS b. 1047, Occ: Count Nevers et d'Auxerre, m.
Ida De FOREZ, b. 1049, De Lyon, (daughter of Artaud II and Wandelmode De
BEAUJEU). Renaud died 1089.
1.1.1. Ermengarde De NEVERS b. 1073, m. c. 1085, Milo De COURTENAY, b.
1069, (son of Joscelin De COURTENAY and Elizabeth De MONTHLERY) Occ:
Sire De Courtenay, d. 1127. Ermengarde died 1095. Milo: Founder of the
Cistercian Abbey of Fonatine-Jean.
1.1.1.1. Renaud (Reginald) De COURTENAY b. 1100, Occ: Baron of
Okehampton, m. Hawise De DONJON, b. 1113, France, (daughter of Frederic
De DONJON and Female UNKNOWN). Renaud died 1161. Went on the Crusades
with King Louis VI of France in 1147. They quarrelled on their return,
so Renaud went to England in 1152 and was received with great favour
by Henry II who granted him in 1161 the manor of Sutton in Devon.
Hawise: The notes from Powderham Castel, Devon, call her Hedwige
DeDONJON.
So you see we have here the four Grandparents of Ermengarde De NEVERS,
none of whom look as though they would be children of Robert II. So I
don't know what Powderham Castle is going on about.
{geni:occupation} Seigneur of Courtenay
{geni:about_me} Milon (Miles / Milo) de Courtenay
Born: Unknown
Died: After 1133
Father: Joscelin [I] Seigneur de Courtenay
Mother: Isabelle de Montlhéry
Spouses: (1) Unknown (2) Elizabeth de Nevers
Issue:
Guillaume,
Joscelin,
Renaud
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/CHAMPAGNE%20NOBILITY.htm
MILON de Courtenay, son of JOSCELIN [I] Seigneur de Courtenay & his second wife Isabelle de Montlhéry (-after 1133). The Historia of Monk Aimon names "Milonem de Cortiniaco, Joscelinum Comitem Edesse, Gaufridum Chapalii" as the children of "Joscelinum de Cortiaco" and his wife "Elisabeth filiam Milonis de Monte-Letherico". Sire de Courtenay. "Milo de Curtiniaco" confirmed the donation by "Robertus Bonet" to the priory of Néronville of a grange "apud Lanci", with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor Milonis", by charter dated to [1110/16]. A charter dated to [1120/39] records donations for the foundation of the abbey of Notre-Dame des Echarlis, including a donation in the presence of "Milo de Curtiniaco et uxor eius Elisabeth et filii eorum Willelmus, Joscelinus, Rainaldus". A charter dated 1133 records a donation to the abbey of Saint-Jean de Sens by "Milo de Curteno", adding that his widowed mother had become a nun there and that “frater eius Rainaudus” was buried there.
m firstly ---. This first marriage is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln, but the primary source on which it is based has not yet been identified.
m secondly ELISABETH de Nevers, daughter of RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers et d'Auxerre & his first wife [Ita Raymonde] de Lyon et de Forez. The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that the daughter of "Guillelmus…[filios]…Renaldum" and his first wife married "Miloni de Curteniaco". "Milo de Curtiniaco" confirmed the donation by "Robertus Bonet" to the priory of Néronville of a grange "apud Lanci", with the consent of "Elisabeth uxor Milonis", by charter dated to [1110/16]. A charter dated to [1120/39] records donations for the foundation of the abbey of Notre-Dame des Echarlis, including a donation in the presence of "Milo de Curtiniaco et uxor eius Elisabeth et filii eorum Willelmus, Joscelinus, Rainaldus".
Milon & his second wife had three children.
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Milo was founder of the Cistercian Abbey of Fontaine-Jean [Peter Townend, editor, Burke's Genealogical and Heraldic History of the Peerage, Baronetage, and Knightage, One Hundred and Third Edition (London: Burke's Peerage Limited, MCMLXII (1963)), pg. 722].
Ancestral File Number:8JF2-3H
_P_CCINFO 1-20792
!SOURCES:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Eng. 116, p. 59
2. The Complete Peerage G.E.C. Eng. V, v. 3, p. 465, v. 4, p. 317
3. Visitations of Devon, Devon 2, p. 243
4. Edmondson's Baronagum Genealogicum, Eng. AM, v. 4, p. 340
5. Hist. of the Fam. Courtenay, B18A16, p. 2
6. Anderson's Royal Gen., Eng. 132, p. 621 (not reliable)
7. Memorials of Old Devonshire, Devon 18, p. 35, 47-48
8. Collins Peerage, Eng. Z-1, v. 6, p. 215, 231-38
9. Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains, France 22, Tab. 35
!RESEARCH NOTES:
1. The above child Reginald would be known in France as Renaud; however, hecame to England with Eleanor, Queen of Henry II of England when she married himor when arrangements were made for the marriage (1151 or 1152). In virtually allof the sources above (except for the Complete Peerage) Reginald the above son has been confused with his son Reginald as though they were one and the same person. A study of the dates reveals the impossibility of there being only one Reginald. The above child Guillaume does not marry Matilda (Maud), daughter of Robert Fitz Edith, natural son of King Henry I of England, but rather she is the second wife of his brother Reginald.
!SOURCES:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Eng. 116, p. 59
2. The Complete Peerage G.E.C. Eng. V, v. 3, p. 465, v. 4, p. 317
3. Visitations of Devon, Devon 2, p. 243
4. Edmondson's Baronagum Genealogicum, Eng. AM, v. 4, p. 340
5. Hist. of the Fam. Courtenay, B18A16, p. 2
6. Anderson's Royal Gen., Eng. 132, p. 621 (not reliable)
7. Memorials of Old Devonshire, Devon 18, p. 35, 47-48
8. Collins Peerage, Eng. Z-1, v. 6, p. 215, 231-38
9. Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains, France 22, Tab. 35
!RESEARCH NOTES:
1. The above child Reginald would be known in France as Renaud; however, hecame to England with Eleanor, Queen of Henry II of England when she married himor when arrangements were made for the marriage (1151 or 1152). In virtually allof the sources above (except for the Complete Peerage) Reginald the above son has been confused with his son Reginald as though they were one and the same person. A study of the dates reveals the impossibility of there being only one Reginald. The above child Guillaume does not marry Matilda (Maud), daughter of Robert Fitz Edith, natural son of King Henry I of England, but rather she is the second wife of his brother Reginald.
!SOURCES:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Eng. 116, p. 59
2. The Complete Peerage G.E.C. Eng. V, v. 3, p. 465, v. 4, p. 317
3. Visitations of Devon, Devon 2, p. 243
4. Edmondson's Baronagum Genealogicum, Eng. AM, v. 4, p. 340
5. Hist. of the Fam. Courtenay, B18A16, p. 2
6. Anderson's Royal Gen., Eng. 132, p. 621 (not reliable)
7. Memorials of Old Devonshire, Devon 18, p. 35, 47-48
8. Collins Peerage, Eng. Z-1, v. 6, p. 215, 231-38
9. Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains, France 22, Tab. 35
!RESEARCH NOTES:
1. The above child Reginald would be known in France as Renaud; however, he came to England with Eleanor, Queen of Henry II of England when she married him or when arrangements were made for the marriage (1151 or 1152). In virtually all of the sources above (except for the Complete Peerage) Reginald the above son has been confused with his son Reginald as though they were one and the same person. A study of the dates reveals the impossibility of there being only one Reginald. The above child Guillaume does not marry Matilda (Maud), daughter of Robert Fitz Edith, natural son of King Henry I of England, but rather she is the second wife of his brother Reginald.
OR "MILO"; SIRE DE COURTENAY, MONTARGIS, AND CHATEAU RENARD 1095-1127
!SOURCES:
1. The Plantagenet Ancestry, Eng. 116, p. 59
2. The Complete Peerage G.E.C. Eng. V, v. 3, p. 465, v. 4, p. 317
3. Visitations of Devon, Devon 2, p. 243
4. Edmondson's Baronagum Genealogicum, Eng. AM, v. 4, p. 340
5. Hist. of the Fam. Courtenay, B18A16, p. 2
6. Anderson's Royal Gen., Eng. 132, p. 621 (not reliable)
7. Memorials of Old Devonshire, Devon 18, p. 35, 47-48
8. Collins Peerage, Eng. Z-1, v. 6, p. 215, 231-38
9. Tableaux Genealogiques des Souverains, France 22, Tab. 35
!RESEARCH NOTES:
1. The above child Reginald would be known in France as Renaud; however, hecame to England with Eleanor, Queen of Henry II of England when she married himor when arrangements were made for the marriage (1151 or 1152). In virtually allof the sources above (except for the Complete Peerage) Reginald the above son has been confused with his son Reginald as though they were one and the same person. A study of the dates reveals the impossibility of there being only one Reginald. The above child Guillaume does not marry Matilda (Maud), daughter of Robert Fitz Edith, natural son of King Henry I of England, but rather she is the second wife of his brother Reginald.
from "Our Folk" by Albert D Hart, Jr.
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