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Persönliche Daten Enguerrand "Ingelram II of Ponthieu" de Ponthieu II, Comte de Ponthieu, Comte de Montreuil, Sire d'Aumale 

• Spitzname ist Ingelram II of Ponthieu.
• Er wurde geboren im Jahr 1030Ponthieu
  Picardie France.
• Fetauft (im Alter von 8 Jahren oder später) von der Priestertumsvollmacht der HLT-Kirche .
• Berufe:
• unknown in Count of Ponthieu.
• Comte, de Ponthieu, de Montreuil, Sieur, d'Aumale.
• .
• Er ist verstorben am 25. Oktober 1053, er war 23 Jahre altSaint-Aubin-sur-Scie
  Normandie (aujourd'hui Haute-Normandie France.
• Ein Kind von Hugues II de Ponthieu und Berthe d'Aumale

Familie von Enguerrand "Ingelram II of Ponthieu" de Ponthieu II, Comte de Ponthieu, Comte de Montreuil, Sire d'Aumale

Er ist verheiratet mit Adelaide.

Sie haben geheiratet vor 1052Normandy France.

Kind(er):

1. Hélissende de Ponthieu  1053-1128 
2. Guy de Ponthieu  ± 1047-1101 

Notizen bei Enguerrand "Ingelram II of Ponthieu" de Ponthieu II, Comte de Ponthieu, Comte de Montreuil, Sire d'Aumale

Name Prefix: Count Name Suffix: III, of Ponthieu

Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (the Conqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss of Arques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]
According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330) the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls of Arques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than a mile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exact site of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]
Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "The Ancestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with good genealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piers de Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu as son of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among other sources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's "Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).

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Enguerrand, Count of Ponthieu and Sire d'Aumale. Slain at the siegeof Arques in 1053. [Complete Peerage I:351 chart]

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Curt Hofemann, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX), writes in a post-em:

Other notes:
Attempted to take advantage of the Duke William of Normandy's (theConqueror) weaker position and lost in battle near the fortresss ofArques. [Ref: Wm Conqueror]

According to a later chronicler (rec. Hist. Franc., vol XI, p. 330)the dying cries of Enguerrand were heard by his sister on the walls ofArques. It is a good story which might even be true, for less than amile separates the castle from Saint-Aubin-sur-Scie, and the exactsite of the engagement is unknown. [Ref: 48 Wm Conqueror, pg 66]

Regards,

Curt

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Note: CP states that Enguerrand died without any male issue, but "TheAncestors of Paul McBride", a fairly reliable website with goodgenealogical information, states that Enguerrand and Adele had Piersde Valognes as a son. The website also lists Hugh II de Ponthieu asson of Enguerrand, but that misinformation comes from, among othersources, an error in the well respected German book Schwennicke's"Europäische Stammtafeln" (ES).

REFN: ems-jw
Ancestral File Number: V9VB-P6
Ancestral File Number:V9VB-P6

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Ancestral File Number: V9VB-P6
Ancestral File Number:V9VB-P6

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note couple : #Générale#s:ds02.79 ; ds03.635

{geni:about_me} ==concerns==
'''Stirnet's "Ponthieu1" page does not mention this Enguerrand.

==brief biography==
Count of Ponthieu

Count of Montreuil

Lord of Aumale

jure uxoris Lord of Aumale from about the time of his marriage to Adelaide (it was his dower gift to her) until the marriage was annulled by the Roman Catholic Church (circa 1049-1050)

also known as '''Enguerrand [https://www.geni.com/surnames/de-montreuil de Montreuil]''' and '''Ingelram II of Ponthieu

==links==
* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enguerrand_II,_Count_of_Ponthieu
* http://mauriceboddy.org.uk/Valognes.htm
* FamilySearch AFN V9VB-P6

==content to be cleaned up==
b) '''ADELAIDE de Montreuil''' . The foundation charter of Saint-Martin d´Auchy narrates the church´s foundation by “Guerinfrido qui condidit castellum…Albamarla” and names “Engueranni consulis qui filius fuit Berte supradicti Guerinfridi filie et Adelidis comitisse uxoris sue sororis…Willelmi Regis Anglorum” and “Addelidis comitissa supradicti Engueranni et supradicte Adelidis filia…Judita comitissa domine supradicte filia”[837]. 1098.

c) '''HELISSENDE de Montreuil .''' The primary source which confirms her parentage has not yet been identified. 1096. "Comes Hugo de Sancto Paulo" donated property to the abbey of Molesme with the consent of "uxoris sue Helisendis filiorumque suorum Ingelranni et Hugonis" by charter dated 17 Jun 1095[838]. m (before 1091) HUGUES [II] Comte de Saint-Pol, son of --- (-before [1118/19]).

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http://thepeerage.com/p10483.htm

'''Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu'''
M, #104822, d. 1053

Last Edited=21 Dec 2003

Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu was the son of Hugues d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Berthe (?).2 He married Adeliza, Countess of Aumale, daughter of Robert I, 6th Duc de Normandie and Herleva de Falaise, before 1053.3 He died in 1053 at Arques, France, slain, without male issue.3,2

Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu gained the title of Comte de Ponthieu.3 He fought in the siege of Arques in 1053.2

Child of Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Adeliza, Countess of Aumale

Adeliza d'Aumale1 d. a 1096

Citations

[S106] Royal Genealogies Website (ROYAL92.GED), online ftp://ftp.cac.psu.edu/genealogy/public_html/royal/index.html. Hereinafter cited as Royal Genealogies Website.

[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume I, page 351. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.

[S11] Alison Weir, Britain's Royal Family: A Complete Genealogy (London, U.K.: The Bodley Head, 1999), page 39. Hereinafter cited as Britain's Royal Family.

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Enguerrand II was the son of Hugh II count of Ponthieu. He assumed the county upon the death of his father on November 20, 1052.

The Ponthievin alliance with duke William of Normandy had earlier been secured by the marriage of Enguerrand's sister, to duke William's uncle, William of Talou. Enguerrand was married to duke William's sister, Adelaide, by which he had 3 children. But for some consanguinity there, or from another infraction not now known, Enguerrand was excommunicated at the papal council held at Reims in October 1049.

William of Talou had built a strong castle at Arques, and from it (in 1053) he defied his nephew the youthful duke of Normandy: as "family", the comital house of Ponthieu supported the rebellion.

Duke William put Arques under siege, and then remained mobile with another force in the countryside nearby. He was aware that Normandy was being threatened by the armies of King Henry of France — who wanted to bring his young, former vassal to heel; and that Normandy's erstwhile allies from Ponthieu would also be coming to break the siege of Arques. Young count Enguerrand led a Ponthievin army of relief into the Talou and arrived first: but duke William successfully ambushed them on October 25, 1053 and Enguerrand was killed (legend says, within sight and sound of the walls of Arques, from which his sister witnessed the demise of her brother). Upon learning of this serious reverse, the vacillating Henry withdrew his forces at once back across the Norman border. William of Talou was compelled to surrender Arques and was banished for life. (Alternatively, the story goes that king Henry reinforced Arques, and duke William lured part of the French army, including Enguerrand and the Ponthievins, away by a feigned flight, then turned on them and won a battle: Henry then withdrew, forcing the surrender of Arques not long after.)

Enguerrand's only son, Guy I became count of Ponthieu in his place.

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Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu was the son of Hugues d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Berthe (?).2 He married Adeliza, Countess of Aumale, daughter of Robert I, 6th Duc de Normandie and Herleva de Falaise, before 1053.3 He died in 1053 at Arques, France, slain, without male issue.3,2

Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu gained the title of Comte de Ponthieu.3 He fought in the siege of Arques in 1053.2

Child of Enguerrand III d'Aumale, Comte de Ponthieu and Adeliza, Countess of Aumale

Adeliza d'Aumale1 d. a 1096

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COUNT OF PONTHIEU

Enguerrand
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=b9c4cd8c-e9de-453e-822b-38f35643d54f&tid=1173601&pid=-1386648407

Conqueror
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=47c881d7-886a-4b47-a6b1-047d63d1e619&tid=1173601&pid=-1386648407

Enguerrand
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=b9c4cd8c-e9de-453e-822b-38f35643d54f&tid=1173601&pid=-1386648407

Conqueror
http://trees.ancestry.com/rd?f=document&guid=47c881d7-886a-4b47-a6b1-047d63d1e619&tid=1173601&pid=-1386648407

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