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Persönliche Daten Crinan the Thane Lay Abbot of Dunkeld [Wikibio] SSS 

• Auch bekannt als Crinan the /Thane/, Lay Abbot of Dunkeld.
• Er wurde geboren im Jahr 0978 in Dunkeld, Perthsire, Scotland.Quellen 2, 4
• Er ist verstorben im Jahr 1045 in Tayside, Scotland, er war 67 Jahre alt.Quellen 2, 4

  Oorzaak: Killed in Battle against Macbeth, who (1040) slew his son Duncan

• Ein Kind von Duncan Lay Abbot of Dunkeld und NN of the Isles
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 6. Februar 2023.

Familie von Crinan the Thane Lay Abbot of Dunkeld [Wikibio] SSS

Er ist verheiratet mit Bethoc (Beatrix) Princess of Scotland.

Sie haben geheiratet im Jahr 1000, er war 22 Jahre alt.Quellen 2, 4

Kind(er):

1. Duncan I MacCrinan King of Scotland  1001-1040 
2. Maldred Lord of Carlisle & Allerdale  1003-1045 
3. Daughter of Crinan Lay Abbot of Dunkeld  ± 1010-???? 
4. Daughter 2 of Crinan Lay Abbot of Dunkeld  > 1010-????

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Crinan; Lay Abbot of Dunkeld; married c1000 Bethoc, elder daughter of Malcolm II, and was killed 1045 in battle against Macbeth (the historic figure who murdered Crinan's elder son Duncan I, and subsequently is portrayed as having usurped the Scottish throne, most famously by Shakespeare), leaving (Maldred), with an elder son (Duncan I "TheGracious" King of Scots 1034-40; ancestor of the Sovereigns of Englandand later England, Ireland, Scotland, Great Britain, etc.). [Burke'sPeerage]

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Crinan the Thane (Albanock, Grimus), of the kin of St. Columba, Lord ofthe Isles, Governor of Scots Island, Earl of Strathclye, hereditary Abbotof Dunkeld.

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The following additional information was given in a post-em by CurtHofemann, (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)hoo.com:

given name spelled: Crínán [Ref: Henry Project]

Lay Abbot of Dunkeld, Governor of the Scots Islands [Ref: Weis AR7 170:19]
Heriditary Abbott of Dunkeld, or the Kindred of St. Columba [Ref: RoyalHighness: Ancestors of the Royal Child by Sir Ian Moncreiffe, 1982,Hamish Hamilton, London Pg 20] note: "or the kindred of" = ? Either wasor wasn't... Curt

In what was probably a shrewd political move, Malcolm II married hisdaughter Bethoc to a representative of the other major center ofpolitical power in Scotland, the church. Considering the close tiesbetween ruling dynasties and the offices of major abbacies throughoutIreland and Scotland, it is also possible that Crinan was descended froma king of the Scots, which would completely legitimize his son's rule.[Ref: The Genealogy of the Early Medieval Scottish Kings, Edinburgh byMichael R. Davidson 1995, Holland House, Edinburgh, Scotland]

Malcolm's elder daughter Bethoc married Crinan 'the Thane', lay abbot ofDunkeld. At this period, when Celtic Monasticism was in decline, layabbots appear to have been as accepted a part of the ecclesiasticalstructure as they became centuries later on the eve of the Reformation.Crinan was a great nobleman, as his title implies, and he possessed theadded prestige of belonging to the kindred of St. Columba. It was fromhis abbacy of Dunkeld that the new royal House took its name, for Crinanand Bethoc were the parents of King Duncan I...Meanwhile, Macbethconsolidated his triumph by defeating and slaying Duncan's father,Crinan, in a battle at Dunkeld in 1045. [Ref: The Kings and Queens ofScotland] note: sorry, I sourced this early-on before I realized one alsohas to list author, publisher, date, etc.-we get too soon old & too latesmart... Curt

Macbeth...probably a grandson of Malcolm II...asserted his claim to thethrone against Duncan I, whom he killed near Elgin. In 1045 he killedCrinan, Duncan's father in battle, but in 1057 he was himself killed byDuncan's son, Malcolm Canmore (Malcolm III). [Ref: A Dictionary ofBritish History by J.P. Kenyon, 1983 Stein and Day, Scarborough House,Briarcliff Manor, NY]

Research note: Supposed father: Since the abbacy of Dunkeld appears tohave been hereditary in Crínán's family (his grandson Æthelred held thetitle), it has sometimes been suggested that Crínán may have been the sonof this earlier abbot of Dunkeld whose death is known form both the Irishand Scottish sources [e.g., AU; ESSH 1: 471, 473, 577; KKES 252]. Whilethe relationship is not impossible (assuming that Crínán's father diedwhen he was an infant), there is no known evidence to support it, and itcannot be accepted without further evidence [Ref: Henry Project citing:

AU = Seán Mac Airt and Gearóid Mac Niocaill, The Annals of Ulster,Dublin, 1983
ESSH = Alan Orr Anderson, Early Sources of Scottish History, 2 vols.(Edinburgh, 1922, reprinted Stamford, 1990)
KKES = Marjorie Ogilvy Anderson, Kings and Kingship in Early Scotland(Edinburgh, Totowa, NJ, 1973)]

Jim, I recommend highly the Henry Project of which I've prevouslysupplied the URL. If you've not already, spend some time there. A mostrealistic scholarly work. He even debunks some connections common allover the internet & explains why. Quite a refreshing change from thenormal junk genealogy that is these days prevalent. Not to condemntoday's amateur genealogists - junk genealogy is not new - look at someof the earlier genealogies of the Habsburgs linking them back to the OldTestament (depending on which genalogist at the time, in different ways).

Regards,
Curt

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