Genealogie Wylie » Sir John Talbot , 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, KG [[Ch-Wikibio+++]] sss (± 1384-1453)

Persönliche Daten Sir John Talbot , 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, KG [[Ch-Wikibio+++]] sss 

• Auch bekannt als 6th Lord Talbot.
• Er wurde geboren rund 1384 in Shrewsbury, Shropshire, England.Quellen 6, 10, 12, 13
• Er ist verstorben am 17. Juli 1453 in Battle of Castillon, Bordeaux, France.Quellen 4, 6, 10

  Oorzaak: killed at Battle of Castillon, Bordeaux, France

• Er wurde beerdigt am 20. Juli 1453 in St Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Shropshire, England.
• Ein Kind von Richard Talbot und Ankaret le Strange
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 17. März 2023.

Familie von Sir John Talbot , 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, KG [[Ch-Wikibio+++]] sss

(1) Er ist verheiratet mit Maud Neville.

Sie haben geheiratet am 12. März 1406/1407 in England.Quelle 14

Kind(er):

1. John Talbot  1413-1460 
2. Joan Talbot  < 1423-????

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7th Lord Talbot; 1st Earl of Shrewsbury; K.G.; k. in battle with the Bastard of Orleans near Chastillon, 20 July 1453; m. Maud, Baroness Furnivall; had issue. [Burke's]

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Father of Joan who m. James, Lord Berkeley. [Burke's, p. 246]

Son of Ankaret le Strange and Richard Talbot; cr. 1st Earl of Shrewsbury 1442, Lord Lieutenant of Ireland; m. bef 1406/7 Maude de Neville, Baroness Furnivall; father of Sir John Talbot, K.G. [Ancestral Roots, p. 11]

The White Earl of Ormond was thwarted at every turn by an 'Englishman from England', Sir John Talbot, earl of Shrewsbury, and his formidable brother, Richard Talbot, archbishop of Dublin, who fought him with his own weapons. [Oxford Illustrated History of Ireland, pp. 95-96]

K.G., son of Sir Richard Talbot and Ankaret le Strange; slain at Castillon; Earl of Shrewsbury; m.1 Maud de Neville, Lady Furnivall and was father of Sir John Talbot, K.G. [Magna Charta Sureties, Line 141, p. 151]

Marriage to Maud Furnival entitled the renowned soldier to be summoned to parliament as "Baron Furnival." His Lordship's subsequent heroic achievements in France, won for him the Earldoms of Shrewsbury, Waterford, and Wexford, and thenceforward the Barony of Furnival merged for two centuries in the higher honours, until the demise of Gilbert, 7th Earl of Shrewsbury in 1616. [The Roll of Battle Abbey, p. 57]

Son of Richard Talbot and Ankaret Le Strange; m. Margaret de Beauchamp and Maude of Furnival Nevill. [WFT Vol 11 Ped 4329]

Son of Richard Talbot and Ankaret Le Strange; k. at Battle of Castillon; m. Maude de Neville and was father of:
1. Joan who m. James de Berkeley
2. John who m. Elizabeth Butler
3. Gilbert who m. Elizabeth Greystoke and Audrey Cotton
m. Margaret Beauchamp.
[WFT Vol 9 Ped 2320]

Shrewsbury, the first English Earldom, after Arundel, which has merged in the Dukedom of Norfolk, dates from 1442, and is inherited by the present Lord from his direct ancestor, the gallant Talbot, "the great Alcides of the field," than whom "a stouter champion never handled sword." [Vicissitudes of Families, Vol. II, p. 14]

m. Margaret Beauchamp; father of Sir John Talbot who m. Joan Cheddar. [Plantagenet Ancestry, p. 264]

Sir John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury (technically the Earldom wasdesignated as being of "Salop" or "Shropshire" but ever afterwards,indeed in the grantee's lifetime, its bearers have been known as Earls of"Shrewsbury") and the 1st Earl of Waterford, so created 20 May 1442 and17 July 1446 (when also made Hereditary Steward of Ireland) respectively,though called to Parliament 26 Oct 1409 by writs made out to Lord (Baron)de Furnyvall/de Halomshire in right of his 1st wife during her lifetimeand as Lord (Baron) Talbot of Hallamshire) afterwards, also according tolater doctrine 7th Lord (Baron) Talbot and 7th or 10th Lord (Baron)Strange (of Blackmere) on his niece Ankaret's death 1421, KG (1424), JP(Derbys Feb 1407/8, Salop & Staffs March 1409/10); b. c 1384; King'sEsquire 1407; knighted by 1413, King's Lieutenant in Ireland Feb 1413/4and March 1444/5, Justiciar of Ireland Jan-April 1425, campaigned HundredYears War: Battle of Verneuil 1424, took Laval March 1427/8, alsoNogent-le-Roi and was at Siege of Orleans 1428-29, commander at Battle ofPatay June 1429 (captured but subsequently ransomed), took Patay 1433,Joigny 1434, Beaumont-su-Oise May 1434, Creil June 1434 and Clermont,created by Henry VI Count of Clermont end Beauvoisis (part of a policypursued by Henrys V and VI of making their chief commanders nobles inEnglish-occupied France with French fiefs), present at Siege ofSaint-Denis Sep 1435, retook Pays de Caux 1436/7, held Le Croty 1437,Marshal of France by 6 April 1437, took Longueville 1438, reinforcedMezux 1439 and Pontoise several times, destroyed Poissy 1441, conductedSiege of Dieppe 1442, Keeper of Porchester Castle and Governor ofPortsmouth Feb 1451/2, Lieutenant of Aquitaine 1452, retook Bordeaux Oct1452 took Fronsac March 1452/3, finally killed with his 4th son (3rd herenoticed) at the rout of Castillon (the last battle of the Hundred YearsWar) 17 July 1453;

married 1st by 12 May 1406/7 Maud, Baroness Furnivall(e) in her own rightaccording to later doctrine (d. c 1423), daughter and heiress of ThomasNeville, 5th Lord (Baron) Furnivall(e) in right of his 1st wife, and hadissue. The 1st Earl married 2nd 6 Sep 1425 Lady Margaret Beauchamp (died14 June 1467), eldest daughter and coheir of Richard, Earl of Warwick byhis 1st wife Elizabeth (only child of 5th Lord (Baron) Berkeley of the1295 creation, and deemed by later doctrine to have been BaronessBerkeley and Baroness Lisle in her own right, though on her death, theywould have fallen into abeyance between her three daughter and coheirseven by the same later doctrine. [Burke's Peerage]

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Sir John Talbot, KG, b. c 1384, slain at Castillon 17 July 1453, Earl ofShrewsbury; m. (1) 1406/7 Maud de Neville, Lady Furnivall, b. c 1392, d.c 1423, daughter of Thomas Nevill, Lord Furnivall, by his wife, JoanFurinvall, Lady Furnivall. [Magna Charta Sureties]

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BARONY of TALBOT (VII)

BARONY of FURNIVALLE (IV, 1)

EARLDOM of WATERFORD (I) 1446

EARLDOM of SHREWSBURY (IV, 1) 1442

John (Talbot), Lord Talbot, Lord Furnivalle (of Blackmere), 2nd son ofRichard (Talbot), Lord Talbot, by Ankaret, according to modern doctrinesuo jure Baroness Strange (of Blackmere), daughter and eventually heir ofSir John Lestraunge, Lord Lestraunge or Lord Strange (of Blackmere), ofWhitchurch, Salop, b. about 1384; by his 1st marriage, before 5 Apr 1407,with Maud, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, heacquired the great family estates of the family of Furnivalle inHallamshire, of which the castle of Sheffield was the caput, and, inconsequence thereof, he was summoned to Parliament as Lord Furnivalle orLord Talbot (of Hallamshire), from 26 Oct 1409 to 26 Feb 1420 by writsdirected to Johanni Talbot, with the additions: domino de Furnyvall, orde Halomshire. He witnessed, as Johannes, Dominus de Farnevale, theagreement between Henry, Prince of Wales, and Rees ap Llewelyn, for thesurrender of Aberystwyth, 12 Sep 1407. He was King's Esquire, bef. 25Apr 1407, when he was granted the keeping of the castle and lordship ofMontgomery during the minority of Edmund, Earl of March; on theCommission of the Peace, Derbyshire, 7 Feb 1407/8; Salop andStaffordshire, 14 Mar 1409/10; knighted bef. 15 July 1413; committed tothe Tower, 16 Nov 1413 (a); Commissioner to arrest and imprison Lollards,11 Jan 1413/4; Commissioner to enforce the Statute of Leicester againstthe Lollards, 28 July 1414. He was appointed King's Lieuteneant ofIreland for 6 years, with power to nominate a Deputy, 24 Feb 1413/4,being sworn in 13 Nov. He left Ireland, 7 Feb 1415/6, was present at thereception of Sigismund, King of the Romans (afterwards Emperor), atDover, May 1416, returned to Ireland, Apr 1418, but left again, July1419. By the death, 13 Dec 1421, of his niece Ankaret, according tomodern doctrine suo jure Baroness Talbot, and the consequent failure ofthe issue of his elder brother Gilbert, Lord Talbot, etc, he became LordTalbot (1331) and Lord Strange (of Blackmere) (1308). He was also, byinheritance from his great-grandmother, Elizabeth, wife of Richard, 2ndLord Talbot, lord of the honor of Wexford, in Ireland.

He was with Henry VI at Windsor, 28 Sep 1422; ordered to prevent riots onthe Welsh marches, 3 Oct 1422; nominated KG, 6 May 1424; Justiciar ofIreland Jan-Apr 1425. He was at the battle of Verneuil, 17 Aug 1424;Capt. of Coutances and Pont de l'Arche, 1 Jan 1427/8; took Laval 13 Mar1427/8, Capt. of Falaise, 8 Nov 1428; took part in the capture ofNogent-le-Roi, and the siege of Orleans, 1428-9. He was one of thecommanders at the battle of Patay, 18 June 1429, where he fought on footwith archers and was taken prisoner. He was exchanged for Poton deXaintrailles, July 1433, and joined the Duke of Burgundy in his campaign,when Patay was taken, July 1433. In 1434, after a visit to England, hereturned in command of 800 men and, after capturing Joigny on his way toParis, took Beaumont-sur-Oise in May, Creil in June and Clermont, whenHenry VI created him Count of Clermont en Beauvoisis. He was at thesiege of Saint-Denis in Sep 1435; recovered the Pays de Caux 1436;defeated la Hire at Ris near Rouen, end of 1436; captured Ivry andsurprised Pontoise, Jan-Feb 1436/7; saved Le Crotoy from the Duke ofBurgundy, 1437; Marshal of France, bef. 6 Apr 1437; captured Longuevilleand other castles in the Pays de Caux 1438; revictualled Meaux 1439; atthe siege and capture of Harfleur, and was made Capt. of the town, 1440;granted a pension of 300 gold salus a quarter, 3 Dec 1440; revictualledPontoise several times and sacked Poissy 1441; Lord ofGrasville-Sainte-Honorine bef. 1442; besieged Dieppe 1442. For hisservices he was created, 20 May 1442, Earl of Salop, in tail male; but heand his successors have alway been known as Earls of Shrewsbury. He hada licence for good service in France to absent himself from Ireland for10 years and to receive all rents from his possessions in Wexford andelsewhere, 16 Mar 1442/3; granted for life 60 marks per annum at theExchequer and 40 marks per annum from the petty custom in the port ofLondon, 2 Mar 1443/4; godfather fo Elizabeth of York, Rouen, 22 Sep 1444;one of the Lords who welcomed Margaret of Anjou at Rouen, 22 Mar 1444/5;received outside London, Louis de Bourbon, Comte de Vendome, and theother French Ambassadors, 16 July 1445. He was reappointed King'sLeiutenant of Ireland for 7 years, 12 Mar 1444/5, and was created 17 July1446, Earl of Waterford [I], and made Hereditary Steward of Ireland. In1447 he was one of the Commissioners appointed to treat with theCommissioners of Charles VII, 18 Aug 1448; one of the hostages for thesurrender of Rouen, which he had bravely defended, Oct 1449. At thesurrender of Falaise, 20 July 1450, he was held quit of everything inwhich he could be bound under the agreement made at Rouen, provided thathe went to Rome, from which city he returned to England, Dec 1450.

Commissioner for the subsidy, London and Middlesex, 23 Jan 1450/1; Surreyand Sussex, Southampton and Wilts, 20 May 1451; Wales, 30 July 1452;Keeper of the Castle and Town of Porchester and Gov. of Portsmouth (forlife), 17 Feb 1451/2. He was appointed to command the Army on the sea,Mar 1451/2, having been with the King at Canterbury on Candlemas Day, andLieutenant of Aquitaine, 1 Sep 1452. After landing in the Medoc in Oct,he recovered Bordeaux, 23 Oct, and most of the Bordelais; capturedFronsac, Mar 1452/3. He attempted to relieve Castillon on the Dordogne,but in an attack on the French entrenched camp, he was slain, togetherwith his son John, Lord Lisle, 17 July 1453.

He m. 1stly, bef. 12 Mar 1406/7, Maud, according to modern doctrine suojure Baroness Furnivalle, elder daughter of Thomas (Neville), LordFurnivalle, and only child and heir of (his 1st wife) Joan, according tomodern doctrine suo jure Baroness Furnivalle, only daughter and heir ofWilliam (de Furnivalle), Lrod Furnivalle. She, who was b. c 1392 sat atQueen Katherine's Coronation banquet in Westminster Hall, 21 Feb 1420/1.She d. about 1423 and was buried in Worksop Priory, Notts. He m. 2ndly,6 Sep 1425, at Warwick Castle, Margaret, 1st daughter of Richard(Beauchamp), Earl of Warwick, by his 1st wife, to whom she was coheir,Elizabeth, only child and heir of Thomas (Berkeley), Lord Berkeley, whichElizabeth was, according to modern doctrine, suo jure Baroness Lisle andBaroness Berkeley. He d. as stated above, 17 July 1453, and was buriedat St. Alkmund's, Whitchurch, Salop, M.I. Will dated 1 Sep 1452, atPortsmouth, probated 18 Jan 1453/4. Writs of diem cl. extr. 10 Sep, 24Oct, and 28 Oct 1453. His widow, who was b. in 1404, d. 14 June 1467,and was buried in the Jesus Chapel of St. Paul's. [Complete PeerageXI:698-704]

(a) At the same date he and his elder brother Gilbert entered intorecognisances for 4,000 marks each, to be levied in Salop, to be of goodbehaviour. It has been suggested that his imprisonment may have beenconnected with the rising of Sir John Oldcastle, but his appointment as aCommissioner to arrest Lollards and to enforce the Statute of Leicestermakes this improbable. He may have been committed to the Tower andsubsequently appointed Lieutenant of Ireland to stop a feud between himand the Earl of Arundel arising from a dispute about some land inShropshire. On the day on which he was committed to the Tower, Arundelentered into a recognisance for 10,000 marks to be of good behaviour, andEdmund, Earl of March, John, Earl Marshal, and Sir William de Roosentered into like cognisances for Arundel's good behaviour.

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From: Douglas Richardson (royalancestry AT msn.com)
Subject: CP Correction: Marriage of John Talbot, 1st Earl of Shrewsbury,and Maud Neville
Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval
Date: 2003-05-16 10:09:58 PST

Dear Newsgroup ~

Complete Peerage 11 (1949): 702 (sub Shrewsbury) states that John Talbot(died 1453), 1st Earl of Shrewsbury, married as his first wife before 12March 1406/7 Maud Neville, elder daughter of Thomas Neville, LordFurnival. No source is provided for the date of this marriage, which isa rather unusual oversight for Complete Peerage.

I've recently encountered a London record which indicates that John andMaud Talbot were actually married before 8 March 1406[/7]. On this datethey were suing John Penros regarding their free tenement in the parishof St. Andrew Holborne [Reference: A.H. Thomas, Select Pleas andMemoranda of the City of London, A.D. 1381-1412, published 1932, pg. 279].

Maud (Neville) Talbot inherited this tenement from her grandfather,William Furnival, who in turn acquired the tenement in 1350 [see HustingRoll, 104 (76) (77) 149) (150)]. According to the editor, Mr. Thomas,the tenement was known as "Fournyvalles Inne" and consisted of 2messuages and 13 shops. Maud's father, Thomas Neville, Lord Furnival,was suing Maud's widowed grandmother, Thomasine Furnival, for the sametenement the previous year (see Thomas, ibid., pg. 276).

John Talbot and Maud Neville are in the ancestry of two New Worldimmigrants as follows:

1. Robert Abell

2. Grace Chetwode

Best always, Douglas Richardson, Salt Lake City, Utah

E-mail: royalancestry AT msn.com

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