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Persönliche Daten Robert Marmion , of Scrivelsby & Tamworth 

• Er wurde geboren rund 1109 in Scrivelsby, Horncastle, Lincolnshire, England.
• (Alt. Birth ) vor 1095.Quelle 1
• Er ist verstorben am 8. September 1143 in Coventry, Warwickshire, England.

  Oorzaak: slain

• Ein Kind von Roger Marmion und Miss de Arbitot
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 13. März 2023.

Familie von Robert Marmion , of Scrivelsby & Tamworth

Er ist verheiratet mit Milicent de Stanton de Rethel.

Sie haben geheiratet nach 1130 in 1st husband.Quellen 2, 3, 4

Kind(er):

1. Robert Marmion  < 1133-< 1181 

Notizen bei Robert Marmion , of Scrivelsby & Tamworth

ROBERT MARMION (b), son of Roger MARMION (c), which Roger at the time of the Lindsey Survey, circa 1115-18, held land in Lincolnshire (d), rendered an account of 176£ 13s. 4d. for relief on his father's lands, of which 60£ had been paid by Michaelmas 1130. He was granted by Henry I, circa 1129-33, free warren in Warwickshire as his father had it, especially at Tamworth. With his wife Milicent he granted the church of Polesworth and other property to the nuns there, and the vill of Buteyate to Bardney Abbey. In 1140 Geoffrey, Earl of Anjou, besieged and destroyed his castle of Fontenay. A prominent figure in the anarchy of Stephen's reign, he evicted the monks of Coventry and profaned their church.He married Milicent, daughter of Hugh, Count of Rethel. He died in 1143 or 1144, being slain in warfare with the Earl of Chester. His widow married Richard DE CANVILLE or CAMVILLE. [Complete Peerage VIII:505-8, XIV:467](b) The family of Marmion was of Norman origin, its chief property lying at Fontenay-le-Marmion in the département of Calvados. There are few families whose origin has given rise to more erroneous speculation. Of all the myths which have encumbered this family perhaps the most glaring and persistent has been that which makes William the Conqueror confer the castle of Tamworth on Robert Marmion, the "Champion of Normandy," to hold by the service of Champion in England.(c) THIS TEXT IS INCLUDED IN GRANDFATHER ROBERT MARMION'S NOTES.(d) The places named include Winteringham, Willingham, Scrivelsby, and Coningsby; much of the land was held in chief, and much of it had belonged to Robert Dispensator at the time of Domesday. The connection between Roger Marmion and Robert Dispensator is a complex problem. As the latter had also held Tamworth (as is clear from a charter of the Empress Maud to William de Beauchamp printed in Round, 'Geoffrey de Mandeville', p. 314) and property in other counties afterwards held by the Marmion family, it has been suggested that Roger Marmion acquired the Dispensator's lands from him either by inheritance or marriage. With a view to support the theory of inheritance, it has even been urged that the word Dispensator and the name Marmion were equivalent - an assertion in which there is no truth whatever. The more likely theory that Roger married Robert Dispensator's daughter is shaken by the discovery of J. H. Round that to the Lincolnshire fee of the Dispensator, his brother Urse d'Abetot succeeded, suggesting the probable solution that Roger Marmion acquired his lands through Urse. In the Worcestershire survey, circa 1108-18, and in the Leicestershire survey, circa 1124-29, a Robert Marmion and Walter de Beauchamp occur jointly as successors of Robert Dispensator. This Robert Marmion may have been Roger's son, acquiring these lands in his father's lifetime; and it is not improbable that Roger had married a daughter of Urse. The succession Roger, Robert, Robert is clear from a charter granted to the second Robert by King Stephen. Roger may be the Roger Marmion who was one of Henry I's justiciars in Normandy.-----------------------------The following excerpt from a post to SGM by Alan Wilson, gives the (I think correct) ancestry for Milicent, the wife of Robert, which agrees with AR line 256A--not CP above:Robert I Marmion, b. circa 1109, slain 1143/1144, m. circa 1130/1133 Milicent, dau. of Gervase, Count of Rethel & Elizabeth de Namur. Milicent m. secondly Richard de Camville. Robert evicted the monks of Coventry and profaned their church.C. T. Clay in an article, "Marmion," in The Complete Peerage, viii, 505-522,indicates that Milicent's parentage is unknown. He lists (?)Elizabeth, dau. of Gervase, Count of Rethel, as the wife of Robert II, son of Milicent (who appears below). Schwennicke (ed.) Europaische Stammtafeln, iii, 625 also lists Elisabeth de Rethel as wife of Robert de Marmion who d. 1181. ES cites Cockayne viii, 509, in connection with this table so this cannot be taken as an independent confirmation.Moriarty in TAG xx (Jan, 1944), 255-256, points out that Alberic, Canon of Huyon-sur-Meuse states that Clarembald de Rosoy, who m. Elizabeth de Namur after the death of Gervase in 1124, in order to disinherit her, married the only daughter of Gervase out of the country to a certain noble of Normandy named Robert Marmion. But Alberic does not give the name of the daughter or specify which Robert Marmion was her husband. The daughter of Count Gervase was married about 1132/3, so chronologically it would more likely be to Robert I than to Robert II. The mother of Count Gervase of Rethel was Milicent of Montlhery. Thus Milicent, the wife of Robert I could have been named for her paternal grandmother.Queen Adeliza of Louvain, wife of Henry I, gave part of Stanton, Co. Oxon, to Milicent, wife of Robert Marmion, "cognata mea." Stanton passed with Isabel, dau. of Milicent and Richard de Camville to her husband, Robert de Harcourt as her maritagium, and Stanton Harcourt has subsequently remained in that family. Queen Adeliza was a second cousin of the daughter of Gervase, both being descended from Albert III de Namur, d. 1102, & Ida of Saxony.Moriarty concludes, in view of these arguments, that it was Robert I who married the daughter of the Count of Rethel, and that her name was Milicent. This corrects Palmer, "History of the Baronial Family of Marmion," 1875, Watson (The Genealogist, n.s., xiv, 70), Clay in "Complete Peerage" (vii, 509), and, of course, although not then published, ES, iii, 625.] [Alan B. Wilson, SGM 14 Apr 1997]

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