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Persönliche Daten John [illegitimate ?] de Botetourt 1st Lord , Admiral 

• Er wurde geboren am 10. Juli 1266 in Ellingham, Wayland, Norfolk, England.Quellen 1, 2, 6, 7, 9
• Berufe:
• 1st Lord Botetourt.Quellen 1, 5
• Lord of Mendelsham.Quelle 2
• Er ist verstorben am 25. November 1324 in Farmlingham Castle, Kent, England // St. Briavel Castle, St. Briavel, Gloucestershire, England, er war 58 Jahre alt.Quellen 1, 2, 7, 10
• Ein Kind von Edward I 'longshanks' Plantagenêt und Ada Nn
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 4. Dezember 2022.

Familie von John [illegitimate ?] de Botetourt 1st Lord , Admiral

Er ist verheiratet mit Matilda FitzOtho.

Sie haben geheiratet im Jahr 1285, er war 18 Jahre alt.

Kind(er):

1. Thomas de Botetourt  1292-1322 
2. John de Botetourt  ????-1339 
3. Otho de Botetourt  ± 1292-1345 
4. Elizabeth de Botetourt  ± 1313-1384 
5. Joan de Botetourt  ± 1300-< 1314
6. Ada de Botetourt  ± 1295-± 1349 

Notizen bei John [illegitimate ?] de Botetourt 1st Lord , Admiral

euweb/bzmisc04.htm

John de Botetourt, 1st Lord (d 25.11.1324, Admiral) Many web sites show this John as a son of Edward Longshanks (King Edward I of England), some as an illegitimate son, others as a legitimate son by Edward's second wife, Margaret of France. Neither TCP nor BE1883 make any mention of any such connection, TCP simply saying his "parentage is unknown". GenEU (Anjou) reports that King Edward had an illegitimate son called John Walter FitzRoy de Botetourte whose similar identification, if he indeed existed, may have led to this confusion. As TCP and, in particular, BE1883 may have been expected to report the possibility of a descent from King Edward had such been considered possible, we suspect that this connection is a relatively new 'discovery' and merely report the fact that (for reasons of which we are not aware) there are some who think there was such a connection. m. (1285) Matilda (a 05.1329, dau of Thomas FitzOtho)

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John de Botetourt (older)
b 10 Jul 1266 St. Briavel Castle, St. Briavel, Gloucestershire, England
d 25 Nov 1324 St. Briavel Castle, St. Briavel, Gloucestershire, England
Parents: Edward I "Longshanks" King of England
Spouse: Maud Fitzotho (FitzThomas) (error??)
Child: Thomas de Botetourt m Joan de Somery
Notes (Confusions)
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Notes:

John De Botetourt (younger)
John De Botetourt (older)
There is a bit of confusion regarding both John Botetourts and their wives.
Lord Botetourt of Weobley Castle
John (older)
d b 10 Jul 1266 St. Briavel Castle, St. Briavel, Gloucestershire, England
m ????
d 25 Nov 1324 St. Briavel Castle, St. Briavel, Gloucestershire, England
John (younger)
b 1320 Halesowen, Shropshire, England
m 1 Maud soon after 28 Nov 1358, dtr of John de Grey, first Lord of Rotherfield (d 1359) by his 2nd wife Avice Marimon
Children:
Elizabeth de Botetourt (m Baldwin Frebille, died young)
Joyce de Botetourt (m1 Baldwin Frebille, m2 Adam Pershall, died 1410) (unlikely dtr of Maud!)
Maud remarried Sir Thomas de Harcourt of Stanton Harcourt, Oxfordshire, grandson was Sir Robert Harcourt

m 2 Joyce before 31 May 1347, dtr of William la Zouche, formerly Mortimer (Lord Zouche of Mortimer)
Children:
John de Botetourt (m Maud de Grey, dtr of 2nd Lord de Grey?)
Mathilda de Botetourt (Abess of Polesworth)
Agnes de Botetourt (nun)
Alice de Botetourt (m John Keriell)
Catherine de Botetourt (m Maurice or Thomas Berkeley of Uley)
d 1385 in Weobley Castle, Worcestershire, England
Children:
Joyce De Botetourt, b: 1358 in Weobley Castle, Worcestershire, England
Catherine De Botetourt, b: 1369 in Weobly Castle, Worcester, England
Hailes Abbey Chronicle stated John Botetourt was the bastard son of Edward Longshanks.
F.N. Craig in The American Genealogist (vol 63, pp 145-153, 1988) that he was more likely the son of Guy de Botetourt (living 1274, 1316) and wife Ada.
www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/cp/p_botetourt.shtml

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[Jim Weber.FTW]

John de Botetourte, said to be son of King Edward I, 1st Lord Botetourte, admiral, governor of Famlingham Castle 1304, MP 1305-1324, d. 25 Nov 1324; m. 1285/92 Maud Fitz Thomas (or Fitz Otho, Otes, Otto), living 28 May 1329, daughter of Thomas Fitz Otes of Mendlesham, Suffolk, and Beatrice de Beauchamp, daughter of William de Beauchamp of Bedford.  For evidence that John de Botetourte was an illegitimate son of King Edward I, see Hailes Abbey Chronicle.  The family tree of Botetourte there given was considered in this case to be completely reliable by Mr. H.C. Richardson, the authority on this line, and agreed to by Sir Anthony Wagner, College of Arms.  Though questioned by some, due to an apparent erasure in the parchment, the Librarian, whose care it resides, stated (and still does) that there are several other erasures and corrections, all apparently contemporary with the preparation of the original document and apparent corrections made at that time by the author which do not affect this identification.
[Ancestral Roots]

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CP gives John's ancestry as "unknown".

Kay Allen AG, in a posting to soc.genealogy.medieval, cites a TAG article "The Parentage of John Botetourte (died 1324)", by F. N. Craig, July 1998: 145-153, which disproves the royal ancestry and gives a different one.

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CONC Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, Complete Peerage of England,
CONC Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant,
CONC Extinct, or Dormant (Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing,
CONC 1910-1959, 2000).

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