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Persönliche Daten Roger II de Tosny Tosni seigneur de Conches 

• Er wurde geboren rund 980 in France.
• Er ist verstorben rund 1079 in Conches, Tosni, Normandy, France.
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 9. Juli 2022.

Familie von Roger II de Tosny Tosni seigneur de Conches

Er ist verheiratet mit Godechildis.

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Kind(er):

1. Robert (III) de Toeni (de Tosny)  ± 1031-1088 

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Roger II de Tosny, seigneur de Conches
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 990
Death:
after 1040
Immediate Family:
Son of Unknown de Tosny and Unknown mother de Tosny

Husband of Godechildis

Father of (poss dau of Roger II) Berthe de Toeni (de Tosny); (poss son of Roger II) Robert I de Toeni (de Todeni), Lord of Belvoir; Adeliza de Toeni, Countess of Hereford; Raoul III de Tosny, Seigneur de Conches, Lord of Flamstead; Robert de Toeni, Lord of Stafford; and (poss son of Roger II) Berenger Hespina de Toeni (de Tosny)

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This is Roger de Tosny, seigneur de Conches, NOT Roger de Tosney, d'Espagne (The Spaniard)
CURATOR'S NOTE from Pam Wilson, 18 May 2017. For many years, historians and genealogists have considered Roger de Tosny "de Conches" and "The Spaniard" to have been one and the same, while acknowledging many problems with this theory. Noted medieval prosopographer Katherine S.B. Keats-Rohan posits that these may actually represent two different men whose identities have been ambiguated over the years. In his most recent update to the Medieval Lands Database, Charles Cawley concurs and, based upon suggestions by Keats-Rohan and others (see his footnotes), separates Roger "d'Espagne' de Toeni (son of Raoul II de Tosny) and Roger "de Conches" (parent unknown) as two separate men, perhaps uncle and nephew. Believing Keats-Rohan to be the foremost interpreter of these families, we have separated the two Rogers of Tosny on the Geni tree.
Katherine Keats-Rohan, in her article "Domesday Book and the Malets: patrimony and the private histories of public lives, with an Appendix on Welbourn Castle, Lincolnshire," Nottingham Medieval Studies 41 (1997) 13-56, (available online at https://www.academia.edu/552480/Domesday_Book_and_the_Malets_patrim...) writes in Footnote #178:
"Orderic's Interpolation in William of Jumièges (van Houts 2, 94) says that Roger of Conches fought briefly in Spain c. 1035. This may have been a separate incident to the prolonged stay in Spain of a Roger, usually identified as de Tosny, mentioned in the chronicles of Adhemar and Clarius of Sens (Adhemar de Chabannes, Chronique, ed. J.Chavanon (Paris, 1897),pp.178-9; Clarius de Sens, Annales de Saint-Pierre-le-Vif, ed. Dune, Bibl. historiques de l'Yonne, vol. 2 (1863), 501) as having spent some time in Spain, where he married the daughter of Ramon Berenguer I of Barcelona (then dead) c.1018. In his Ecclesiastical History 2, 68, Orderic once refers to a Roger 'the Spaniard' and he may do so to distinguish him from the Roger de Tosny, founder of Conches, he mentions elsewhere (ib., 10, 40, 140). The younger Roger was perhaps the nephew of the elder. To suppose that there were two Rogers resolves a problem unsatisfactorily discussed in L. Musset, 'Aux origines d'une classe dirigeante: les Tosny, grands barons normands du X au XIIIe siècle', Francia 5 (1978), 52, M. Aurell, Les noces du comte.Marriage et pouvoir en Catalogne (785-1213), Paris 1995, 56-8, and Keats-Rohan, 'The prosopography of post-Conquest England', 35. The elder Roger was possibly the father of Robert de Tosny, lord of Belvoir in Lincolnshire, father of a Berengar and brother of Berengar Hispina. On this view Roger of Conches is absolved of the charge of bigamy, since Stephanie of Barcelona was alive during the time of Roger's marriage with the French or Norman Godehildis, subsequently the wife of Richard count of Evreux. Both Rogers died around the same time, Roger II soon after his return to Normandy, c.1040, and Roger I by 1038 when Stephanie married her second husband Garciaof Navarre".
Cawley writes (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc489686673) from FMG Medieval Lands updated May 2018::
One of the most controversial issues regarding the Tosny family is whether there were two individuals named Roger de Tosny who were active during the first half of the 11th century. Keats-Rohan raised the possibility that Roger de Tosny who travelled to Spain in [1018] (shown above as Roger [I]), was different from a younger Roger de Tosny (maybe nephew of Roger [I]%29 who founded Conches abbey (shown below as Roger [II])[1182]. The same theory has been espoused more recently by Jaime de Salazar Acha, although his main purpose is identifying the wife of Roger [I] as discussed above[1183]. The theory of two individuals is confirmed by the charter dated to [1040], quoted below, which is witnessed by both "Rodgerii filii Rodulfi" (assumed to be Roger [I]) and "Rogerii de Conchis" (Roger [II]). The parentage of Roger [II] has not been ascertained, but presumably he was closely related to Roger [I]. The estimated birth date လ[before 1038]ဝ of Raoul [III], son of Roger [II] see below, suggests that Roger [II] was considerably younger than Roger [I] and therefore may have been nephew of the latter. The fact that Roger [II] was ancestor of the later Tosny family is shown by two charters which record his descendants. Firstly, Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", by charter dated to [1130][1184]. Secondly, Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1185].
SOURCES
[1182] Keats-Rohan ·ÄòDomesday Book and the Malets·Äô (1997), pp. 13-56, footnote 178.
[1183] Salazar Acha ·ÄòEstefanía de Pamplona·Äô (2007), pp. 853-64.
[1184] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
[1185] Actes Henri II, Tome I, CCCCXXIII, p. 550.
THIS ROGER:
Roger de Tosny, Seigneur de Conches
parents unknown married to Godechilda (Godehilde), parents unknown
children:
Raoul of Tosny, successor of his father.
Robert of Tosny, Lord of Stafford
Adelise of Tosny, married Guillaume Fils Osbern.
?Béranger l'Espagnol of Tosny
?Berthe m. Guy de Laval
?Robert de Tosny of Belvoir
Charles Cawley's Medieval Lands database (updated July 2020) http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc489686673
ROGER [II] de Tosny [Conches] (-[after 1040]). Orderic Vitalis records that လRogerius de Toenioဝ founded လcœnobium Castellionis alias de Conchisဝ[1423]. "ဦRodgerii filii RodulfiဦRogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[1424]. Rogerမs place of burial is confirmed by the charter dated to [1130] under which Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius seniorဦ", quoting the confirmation by "Radulphus de Totteneio cum Godehilde matre mea" for the burial of "patris mei Rogerii"[1425]. m as her first husband, GODECHILDIS, daughter of ---. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the foundation by "Rogerius filius Radulphi Toteniensis" for the soul of "coniugis meæ Godehildis", dated to [1130][1426]. The Miracles of Sainte-Foy recount her being cured of a serious illness by miracle, when she was still married to her first husband[1427]. She married secondly Richard Comte d'Evreux. Guillaume of Jumièges records that လRichardus Ebroicensis comes filius Roberti Archiepiscopiဝ married လuxore Rogerii de Toeniaဝ by whom he had လWillelmum qui nunc Ebroicensibus principaturဝ[1428]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the donation by "Godehildis comitissa Ebroicæ civitatis, quondam uxor Rogerii de Totteneio" with the consent of "seniore meo comite Richardo", dated to [1130][1429]. Roger [II] & his wife had [three] children:
a) RAOUL [III] de Tosny ([before 1038]-24 Mar [1102], bur Conches Saint-Pierre). လRadulphus de Tony cum Godehelde matre meaဝ donated property to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by undated charter[1469]. His birth date is estimated from his active participation, as noted below, in the duke of Normandyမs war with the king of France in 1054, when he must at least have been a young adult. According to Orderic Vitalis, he was "a man of the highest renown and knightly valour and was outstanding among the greatest nobles of Normandy for his wealth and honours"[1470]. Orderic Vitalis records that Guillaume II Duke of Normandy sent လRadulfum de Toeniaဝ as ambassador to meet Henri I King of France during their war[1471]. Ralph de Dicetoမs Abbreviationes Chronicorum records the war between လHenricus rex Francorumဝ and လWillelmi ducis Normannorumဝ in 1054, and records that လRodulfus de Toenia...nuntiumဝ reported the French kingမs armyမs defeat[1472]. Orderic also records that he "carried away by night" his uterine half-sister Agnes d'Evreux and gave her in marriage to Simon de Montfort, receiving in return Simon's daughter Isabel as his wife[1473]. Orderic Vitalis records disputes between his vassals and Duke Guillaume who exiled လmilites Rodulfum de Toenia et Hugonem de Grentemaisnilio atque Ernaldum de Escalfoioဝ, dated to [1059/61][1474], the same source recording in a later passage that Duke Guillaume recalled လRodulfum de Toenia et Hugonem de Grentemaisnilioဝ, dated to [1063][1475]. Orderic Vitalis names လ...Rodulphus de Conchis Rogerii Toenetis filius, Normannorum signifer...ဝ among the leading lords under Guillaume II Duke of Normandy[1476]. Orderic Vitalis names လ...Galterius Giphardus et Radulphus Toenites...ဝ among those who took part in the battle of Hastings[1477]. Orderic Vitalis records that လRadulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia qui fuit Normannorum famosus signiferဝ, wishing to leave လin Hispaniamဝ, donated property to Ouche in reparation of the damage he had previously done by supporting လErnaldi de Excalfoioဝ in burning the place, and in particular donated လin Angliam...duos mansiones...in Nortfuc...Caldecota, alteram...in Wigornensi provincia...Alwintonaဝ[1478]. Odo Bishop of Bayeux bought "la terre de Chernet" from "Herberto de Agnellis", with the consent of "suo domino Radulfo de Conchis", by charter dated 30 Nov 1074[1479]. "Ralf de Conchis son of Roger de Toncio" donated property to the abbey of Saint-Evroul by charter dated to [1080], witnessed by "Rogerus de Clara, Galterus de Hispannia, Guillelmus de Paceio, Robertus de Remileio, Geroldus Gastinellus, Gillebertus Toroldi filius, Rogerus de Mucegros, et Galterus de Calvo Monte"[1480]. Domesday Book records land held by လRalph de Tosnyဝ in Charlton in Wantage Hundred in Berkshire; Flamstead in Danish Hundred and Westmill in Braughing Hundred in Hertfordshire; Charingworth, Icomb, Bromsberrow, Harnhill, Ampney and Lower Swell in Gloucestershire; several properties in Worcestershire; the castle of Clifford and several other properties in Herefordshire[1481]. Orderic Vitalis records that လGuillelmusဝ [Guillaume de Breteuil] gave လtria millia librarumဝ to လavunculo suo Radulphoဝ [Raoul [III] de Tosny] for his ransom as part of the peace settlement of the Evreux/Tosny war and appointed လRogerium consobrinum suum Radulfi filiumဝ as his heir[1482]. "Rodulfo de Conchis" consented to the donation of "decimam Ansfredi Villæ" to Sainte-Trinité de Rouen by "Gernagois et Albereda uxor eius, cum filiis suis Willelmo et Rotberto" by charter dated 1091[1483]. Orderic Vitalis records the death လIX Kal Aprဝ of လRadulfus senex [=Radulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia]ဝ and his burial လin cœnobio B. Petri Castellionisဝ[1484]. Henry I King of England confirmed the foundation of Conches by "Rogerius senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulphus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius prædicti Radulphi senis et Rogerius filius Radulphi juvenis", quoting the confirmation by "Radulphus de Totteneio cum Godehilde matre mea" for the burial of "patris mei Rogerii", dated to [1130][1485]. Henry II King of England confirmed the property of Conches abbey, including donations by "Rogeris senior de Toenio et filius eius Radulfus senex et Radulphus juvenis filius predicti Radulphi senex et Roger filius Radulphi juvenis", by charter dated 1165 or [1167/73][1486].
m ISABELLE de Montfort, daughter of SIMON [I] de Montfort Seigneur de Montfort-l'Amaury & his first wife Isabelle de Broyes. Orderic Vitalis records that လRadulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toeniaဝ kidnapped လAgnetem uterinam sororem suam, Ricardi Ebroicensium comitis filiamဝ by night and married her to လSimoni de Montefortiဝ, who in exchange granted လfiliam eiusdem Simonis...Isabelဝ to Raoul[1487]. Her parentage is suggested by a charter dated 1160 under which Louis VII King of France confirmed donations to the abbey of Colombs near Nogent, including donations made by "Hugo Bardulfus castri Nouigentiဦaliique eorum successoresဦSimon de Montisforti, et Radulfus iunior de Toneio et Rogerius filius eiusဦet Simon de Monteforti gener eius et successor"[1488]. Orderic Vitalis records that လElizabeth...uxor et Rogerius atque Radulfus filii eiusဝ consented to the donations to Ouche made by လRadulfus...de Conchis filius Rogerii de Toenia...Normannorum...signiferဝ[1489]. Dame de Nogent-le-Roi. Orderic Vitalis records the bitter dispute between လHelvisa...comitissaဝ and လIsabelem de Conchisဝ, adding that Helvise was လsolers...et facunda, sed atrox et avaraဝ and that in war she rode armed like a knight, while Isabelle was လdapsilis et audax atque jocosa...amabilis et grataဝ[1490]. After her husband died, Orderic Vitalis records that she repented "the mortal sin of luxury in which she had indulged in her youth" and became a nun at Haute-Bruyère[1491].
Raoul [III] & his wife had three children.
b) [ADELISE (-6 Oct

, bur Abbaye de Lyre). Guillaume of Jumi√®ges records that ·ÄúWillelmus...filius Osberni, propinquus ducis Willelmi·Äù founded ·Äúduo monasteriain honorem...Mari√¶ unum apud Liram...alterum apud Cormelias·Äù, adding that he buried ·ÄúAdelinam filiam Rogerii de Toenio uxorem suam·Äù at Lyre[1432]. There is no indication whether Roger [I] or Roger [II] de Tosny was the father of Adelise, or of the identity of her mother. "Willelmo filio Osberni et·Ä¶âˆšÜlicia eius uxore filia Rogeri de Thoneio" founded the abbey of Lyre by charter dated 1046[1433]. Robert of Torigny's De Immutatione Ordinis Monachorum records that "Willermus filius Osberni Normanni√¶ dapifer et cognatus Willermi ducis·Ä¶Aelizam uxorem suam filiam Rogeri de Toeneio" was buried in the monastery of Lyre[1434]. The necrology of Lyre monastery records the death "6 Oct" of "Adeliz uxor Willelmi hujus loci fundatoris"[1435]. The necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "6 Oct" of "mater Willelmi Britolii Adeliza"[1436]. m (before 1046) as his first wife, GUILLAUME FitzOsbern Seigneur de Breteuil, son of OSBERN de Cr√©pon & his wife Emma d'Ivry (-killed in battle Cassel, Flanders 22 Feb 1071, bur Abbaye de Cormeilles).]

c) [ROBERT [III] de Tosny (-[1088], bur [Evesham Abbey]). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated to [1130] under which Henry I King of England confirmed donations to Conches, including the donation of "ecclesiam de Octona" made by "Robertus de Stafort filius Rogerii de Totteneio" with the consent of "filio meo Nicholao"[1437]. Robert·Äôs connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the undated charter under which ·ÄúRobertus de Stafford·Äù confirmed donations to Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire by ·Äúavus meus Robertus de Toenio et pater meus Nicolaus de Stafford·Äù[1438]. The chronology suggests that Robert·Äôs father was Roger [II] de Tosny, although there is no indication of the identity of Robert·Äôs mother. Domesday Book records ·ÄúRobert of Stafford·Äù holding Denchworth in Wantage Hundred in Berkshire; ·ÄúRobert de Tosny·Äù holding Miswell in Tring Hundred and Barwythe in Danish Hundred in Hertfordshire; "Robert of Stafford" holding land in Oxfordshire; Stoneton in Northamptonshire [Warwickshire][1439]. The entries in Hertfordshire precede those which record the holdings of Raoul de Tosny in Hertfordshire, which suggests that they refer to the Robert Tosny/Stafford who was Raoul·Äôs brother. Lord of Stafford.] - ENGLISH NOBILITY ·Äì STAFFORD.
Brother and sister, and one possible additional brother, parents not known. No primary source has yet been found which identifies the parents of these [three] siblings. From a chronological point of view, they could have been the children of Raoul [II] de Tosny. It appears chronologically unlikely that they were the children of Roger [I] de Tosny.
1. BERTHE . Her marriage is confirmed by the charter dated [Sep/14 Oct] 1055 under which the monks of Marmoutier record the donations by "quemdam militemဦJohannem pagi Cenomannensis indigenum, Widonis de Valle filium" of property "in Normannia, territorio Vilcassinoဦecclesiam in villaဦGuarniacusဦjuxta fluvium Eptæ" which "Wido pater eorum" accepted from "uxore sua Berta, Johannis et Haimonis matre"[1440]. Her connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by "Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle" to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by "Berengerius filius eius"[1441]. The remaining question is the identity of her father. The date of her marriage is estimated from a charter dated 11 Nov 1039 in which her two grandsons are named (see MAINE for further details)[1442]. If this document is correctly dated (which is open to debate, as discussed further in MAINE), it is extremely unlikely for Berthe to have been the daughter of Roger [I] de Tosny [Conches]. m ([1010/15]%29 as his first wife, GUY [I] Seigneur de Laval, son of --- (-after 1064).
2. [BERENGER Hespina . The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. His name suggests that he was the brother of Robert [II] de Tosny, whose son is also recorded with the name Berenger. 1050/1066. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land လin LestingehamဦSpaunton, in Kyrkeby-Mispertonဦin Dalbyဦin Skaldenaဦin Lyndesey in Bekဦin Bynbrucဝ by လBerengerius de Todeneyeဝ[1443].] [m ---. The name of Berenger's wife is not known. Berenger & his wife had one child:]
a) [BERENGER de Tosny . He is named in Europäische Stammtafeln[1444]. The primary source which confirms his parentage has not yet been identified. It is possible that it results from confusion with Berenger, son of Robert [I] de Tosny. A charter of King Henry II records donations to York St Mary, including the donation of land လin Finmara etဦin Hunkleby et decimam suam de Dalton et juxta Chevermuntဝ by လBerengerius de Todeneiဝ[1445]. It is not possible to date the donations in this document. It is not therefore known whether the donation was made by Berenger, son of Robert [I], or an otherwise unrecorded Berenger who may have been the son of Berenger Hespina.]
3. ROBERT [I] de Tosny (-[1088]). His connection with the Tosny family is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by "Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle" to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by "Berengerius filius eius"[1446]. ·ÄúRobertum de Belvedeir---et A[dela]. uxor eius·Äù founded Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by charter dated to [1076][1447]. After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated ·Äúland in Sapertune·Äù to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of "his sons William and Geoffrey"[1448]. Domesday Book records ·ÄúRobert de Tosny·Äù holding Great Rissington, Horton and Sapperton in Gloucestershire; several properties in Northamptonshire; properties in Leicestershire; North Dalton and Naburn in Yorkshire; numerous properties in Lincolnshire[1449]. m ADELAIS, daughter of --- (-before 1088). ·ÄúRobertum de Belvedeir---et A[dela]. uxor eius·Äù founded Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by charter dated to [1076][1450]. ·ÄúAgnes de Toteneio·Äù confirmed the donation to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by "pater meus Robertus de Toteneio et mater mea Adelais", by undated charter[1451]. Robert [I] & his wife had six children:
a) BERENGER (-after 1086). His parentage is confirmed by the charter dated 1063 which records the consent given by "Rotbertum de Toeniaco, avunculum domni Johanni monachi nostri, filii Widonis de Valle" to the donations by the latter to Marmoutier, authorised by "Berengerius filius eius"[1452]. Domesday Book records ·ÄúBerengar de Tosny·Äù holding land in Broughton and Horley, and "the same Berengar holds of Robert his father" in Bodicote, in Oxfordshire; "Berengar de Tosny" holding East Stoke, Syerston and land in Broadholme in Nottinghamshire; numerous properties in Yorkshire; West Allington in Lincolnshire[1453]. Berenger presumably died without direct heirs: many of the holdings which Domesday Book records in Lincolnshire in his and his father·Äôs name were held in [1115/18] by his brother-in-law Robert de l·ÄôIsle (see below).
b) GUILLAUME . After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated ·Äúland in Sapertune·Äù to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of "his sons William and Geoffrey"[1454]. The brothers Guillaume and Geoffrey presumably died before [1115/18], when the Lindsay Survey records family properties in Lincolnshire held by their brother-in-law Robert de l·ÄôIsle.
c) GEOFFREY . After the death of his wife Adela, Robert de Belvoir donated ·Äúland in Sapertune·Äù to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire, with the consent of "his sons William and Geoffrey"[1455]. The brothers Guillaume and Geoffrey presumably died before [1115/18], when the Lindsay Survey records family properties in Lincolnshire held by their brother-in-law Robert de l·ÄôIsle.
d) ALBREDA de Tosny (-before 1130). ·ÄúH comes Norfulc·Äù confirmed property to the monks of Kirkstall, for the soul of ·ÄúAlbrede de Insula amite mee·Äù, by charter dated to [1154/76][1456]. If amita is translated strictly in this document, Albreda was the sister of Earl Hugh·Äôs mother, Alice de Tosny married to Roger Bigod (see below). Her husband·Äôs name, as well as her relationship with the Tosny family, are confirmed by the Lindsey Survey (quoted below) as her husband·Äôs holdings were among those recorded in Domesday Book as held by Robert [I] de Tosny and his son Berenger in Lincolnshire[1457]. Robert Bishop of Lincoln confirmed possessions of Newhouse abbey, including "in Brodholm quicquid pertinet ad feudum Albrede de Tocnio", by charter dated to [1155/60][1458]. Albreda died before the taking of the 1129/30 Pipe Roll, presumably without surviving children, as her sister Adelise is there recorded in relation to their father·Äôs land at Belvoir, Lincolnshire. m ROBERT de l·ÄôIsle, son of --- (-after [1115/18]). The Lindsey Survey, dated to [1115/18], records "Robert de l·ÄôIsle" holding land in Aisthorpe, South Carlton, Burton, Corringham, Bransby, Thorganby, Croxby, Binbrook, Orforth, Ludborough, and Fotherby[1459].
e) ADELISE de Tosny (-after 1136[1460]). Her parentage is indicated by the 1130 Pipe Roll which records "Adeliz uxor Rogi Bigဦtra patris sui de Belueder" in Lincolnshire[1461], which also indicates that Adelise succeeded her sister Albreda in the Belvoir estates of their father. It is also indicated by the charter dated 23 Apr [1430] under which her descendant လThomas dominus de Ros, de Hamelake, de Trussebout et de Beavoirဝ confirmed the possessions of Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire made by "antecessores nostrosဦRobertum de Toteneio, Willielmum de Toteneyo filium suum, Agnetem de Toteneio filiam dicti Roberti de Toteneyo, Henricum de Rya filium Huberto de Rya, Agnetem de Toteneyo, Willielmum de Albeneio primum, Willielmum de Albeneio secundum, Willielmum de Albeneio tertium, Willielmum de Albeneio quartum, Ywynum de Albeneyo, Heliam de Albeneyo et uxores eorundem, Isabellam filiam domini Willielmi de Albeneio quæ fuit uxor domini de Ros, domini de Beauvoire et de Hamelake"[1462], the connection between Robert de Tosny Lord of Belvoir, father of Adelise, being established through the marriage of her daughter Cecilia to William de Albini Brito. "Rogerius Bigotဦet uxoris mee Adalicie" donated the church of Thetford to Cluny dated [1100][1463]. လRogerus Bygotဝ founded Thetford Priory, with the advice of လဦuxoris meæ Adeliciæဝ, by undated charter dated to the reign of King Henry I[1464]. m (before [1100]%29 as his second wife, ROGER Bigod, son of ROGER Bigod & his wife --- (-8 or 15 Sep 1107, bur Thetford[1465]).
f) AGNES de Tosny (-before 1127). လAgnes de Toteneioဝ confirmed the donation to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by "pater meus Robertus de Toteneio et mater mea Adelais", by undated charter[1466]. Henry I King of England confirmed the donation of "decimas de Hokeringhe, de Swanetuna, de Depham, de Bukestuna, de Mercheshale" by "Hubertus de RiaဦAgnes de Belfo uxor eiusဦcum Ricardo filio suo" to Holy Trinity, Norwich, at the request of "Henrici filii et heredis ipsorum", by charter dated to [1127][1467]. Her second marriage is confirmed by the undated charter under which her son လHenricus de Ryaဝ confirmed the donations to Belvoir priory, Lincolnshire by "Roberti avi mei et Agnetis matris meæ"[1468]. m firstly RALPH de Belfou [Beaufour], son of ---. m secondly HUBERT [II] de Rie, son of HUBERT [I] de Rie & his wife --- (-before 1127).
SOURCES
[1423] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, I, p. 12.
[1424] Jumièges, Tome I, XX, p. 63.
[1425] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
[1426] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
[1427] Houts (2000), p. 214, quoting (in translation) Bouillet, A. (ed.) (1897) Liber Miraculorum sancte Fidis (Paris), pp. 144-5.
[1428] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
[1429] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128.
[1430] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. III, Book V, p. 129.
[1431] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire III, p. 995.
[1432] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXII, p. 278.
[1433] Neustria Pia, p. 535.
[1434] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 198.
[1435] RHGF XXIII, Ex Obituario Lirensis monasterii, p. 474.
[1436] RHGF XXIII, Ex Uticensis monasterii necrologio, p. 489.
[1437] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128, 131.
[1438] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire I, p. 994.
[1439] Domesday Translation, Berkshire, XLII, p. 154, Hertfordshire, XXI, p. 382, Oxfordshire, XXVII, pp. 433-4, Northamptonshire, XXVII, p. 609.
[1430] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. III, Book V, p. 129.
[1431] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire III, p. 995.
[1432] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, XXII, p. 278.
[1433] Neustria Pia, p. 535.
[1434] Robert de Torigny, Vol. II, p. 198.
[1435] RHGF XXIII, Ex Obituario Lirensis monasterii, p. 474.
[1436] RHGF XXIII, Ex Uticensis monasterii necrologio, p. 489.
[1437] Gallia Christiana, XI, Instrumenta, V, col. 128, 131.
[1438] Dugdale Monasticon VI.2, Wotton Wawen Abbey, Warwickshire I, p. 994.
[1439] Domesday Translation, Berkshire, XLII, p. 154, Hertfordshire, XXI, p. 382, Oxfordshire, XXVII, pp. 433-4, Northamptonshire, XXVII, p. 609.
[1440] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 20, p. 35.
[1441] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 27, p. 38.
[1442] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 8, p. 21.
[1443] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[1444] ES III.4 705.
[1445] Dugdale Monasticon III, York St Mary, V, p. 548.
[1446] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 27, p. 38.
[1447] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, I, p. 288.
[1448] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, p. 284.
[1449] Domesday Translation, Gloucestershire, XLVI, pp. 464-5, Northamptonshire, XXVI, pp. 608-9, Leicestershire, XV, pp. 637-8, Yorkshire, VII, p. 819, Lincolnshire, XVIII, pp. 916-8.
[1450] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, I, p. 288.
[1451] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, VII, p. 290.
[1452] Broussillon (1895), Tome I, 27, p. 38.
[1453] Domesday Translation, Oxfordshire, XXXIIII, p. 437, Nottinghamshire, XXI, p. 779, Yorkshire, VIII, pp. 819-21, Lincolnshire, XIX, p. 918.
[1454] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, p. 284.
[1455] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, p. 284.
[1456] Early Yorkshire Charters I, 642, p. 507.
[1457] Domesday Translation, Lincolnshire, XVIII, pp. 916-8.
[1458] Stenton (Danelaw, 1920), Newhouse, 238, p. 170.
[1459] Waters (1882), pp. 21-4, 28. Horace Round is highly critical of Waters·Äôs edition (Round, J. H. (1909) Feudal England (London), The Lindsey Survey (1115-1118), p. 182-3), but there appears no reason to doubt the accuracy of the names of the persons which are recorded.
[1460] CP IX 578.
[1461] Pipe Roll 31 Hen I (1129/30), Lincolnshire, p. 114.
[1462] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, XII, p. 291.
[1463] Cluny, Tome V, 3748, p. 102.
[1464] Dugdale Monasticon V, Thetford Priory, Norfolk, I, p. 148.
[1465] Orderic Vitalis (Chibnall), Vol. VI, Book XI, p. 147.
[1466] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, VII, p. 290.
[1467] Regesta Regem Anglo-Normannorum (1956), Vol. II, Appendix, CLXXIX, p. 356.
[1468] Dugdale Monasticon III, Belvoir Priory, Lincolnshire, VIII, p. 290.
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The OTHER Roger de Tosny (NOT THIS ONE):
=Roger I "d'Espagne" de Tosny/Toeni=
son of Raoul II de Tosny and Unknown wife
married to NN de Barcelona, daughter of Ramon Borrell, Count of Barcelona, and Ermesinde de Carcassonne
children:
Elbert Elinand
Vuaso Cawley then lays out the elder of the two Rogers as follows (http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/NORMANDY%20NOBILITY.htm#_Toc489686673 from FMG Medieval Lands updated May 2018):
Raoul [II] & his wife had one child:
1. ROGER [I] de Tosny ([990]-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]).
His parentage is confirmed by Guillaume of Jumièges who records that Richard II Duke of Normandy appointed လNigellum Constantinensem atque Rodulfum Toennensem et Rogerium filium eiusdemဝ as custodians of လcastrum Tegulenseဝ (Tillières {Verneuil, Eure}), which the duke had built to protect against attack by Eudes [II] Comte de Blois (so dated to after 1004)[1156]. Roger [I] de Tosny spent time in Spain, returned to Normandy, and was killed in rebellion against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy. The precise chronology of these events is uncertain given the contradictions in the different primary sources as we shall see. Two sources record Roger in Spain in [1017/20]. Firstly, the Chronicle of Adémar de Chabannes (written before [1034]%29 records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensendeဦvidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1157]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I လel Curvoဝ Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Adémar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Secondly, the early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (လde Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniamဝ) where he captured လcivitates et castella...Tarraconam [Tarragona] et Gerundam [Girona]ဝ, married လsororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniamဝ[1158]. The Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis records that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" lived in Spain လcum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annosဝ before returning လad patrem suum in Normanniamဝ (having left လ20 viris et uxore et omnibus quæ possidebantဝ in Spain) to make peace လcum duce Richardoဝ[1159]. လDuce Richardoဝ was either Duke Richard II or Duke Richard III, but assuming that the Chroniconမs report is accurate (which is not without doubt) Roger [I]မs return from Spain to Normandy must be dated to before Aug 1027, when Duke Richard III died. Rogerမs presence in Normandy after this date is confirmed by two charters dated during the early 1030s: firstly, "ဦRogerii filii Radulfiဦ" witnessed the charter dated to [1030] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated "in comitatu Abrincatensi villamဦSancti Johannis" to the abbey of Mont-Saint-Michel[1160], and secondly လ...Rogerii Todelensis...ဝ witnessed the charter dated [20 Jul 1031/Jul 1032] under which Robert II Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille[1161]. After this time, the situation becomes confused, but indications are that Roger returned to Spain: Guillaume of Jumièges records that လRogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fueratဝ (who was လtotius Normanniæ signiferလ) travelled လin Hispaniamဝ when Duke Robert II went on pilgrimage to Jerusalem (so dated to [1035]), that he returned after the accession of Duke Guillaume II but rebelled because of the new dukeမs ignoble birth, destroyed property in particular that of လHumfridi de Vetulisဝ, and that the latter eventually sent his son to attack Roger who was killed with လduobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantioဝ[1162]. Orderic Vitalis also names လ...Rogerius de Hispania...ဝ among those who rebelled against Guillaume II Duke of Normandy after his accession in 1035[1163]. In another passage, Orderic Vitalis records that လRodbertus de Grentemaisnilio...cum Rogerio de Toenioဝ fought လRogerium de Bellomonteဝ, during the course of which လRogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancioလ were killed and လRodbertusဝ mortally wounded (adding that the latter later died လXIV Kal Julဝ)[1164]. Guillaume of Jumiègesမs account is partly corroborated by a second extract from the Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensis which records that, after returning to Normandy, Roger attacked a neighbour but was killed (လiste Rotgerius contra quemdam vicinum faciens bellum, interfectus estဝ), although the chronology of the Chronicon is suspect as this passage follows the report that Roger returned to Normandy to make peace လcum duce Richardoဝ[1165]. The Chronicon report is also confused by Rogerမs fatherမs supposed journey to Apulia after Roger died, which as discussed above appears to contradict other sources and whose chronology is in any case suspect. The presence of Roger [I] in Normandy in the late 1030s is noted in two charters: "ဦRodgerii filii Rodulfiဦ" witnessed the charter dated to [1040] under which Guillaume Comte de Talou donated property to Jumièges[1166], and "ဦRodgerii filii RodulfiဦRogerii de Conchis" subscribed the charter dated to [1040] under which "Vuillelmus Ricardi magni ducis Normannorum filius" donated property to the abbey of Jumièges[1167]. The question of the dual identity of လRoger de Tosnyဝ, reflected in the references to လRodgerii filii Rodulfi" and "Rogerii de Conchis" in the latter document, is discussed below under Roger [II] de Tosny. Roger [I]မs death is dated to [before 17 Jun] because firstly Guillaume of Jumièges records that လRobertus de Grentesmaisnilဝ died in the same battle as လRogerius [de Toenia]လ[1168], and secondly the necrology of the monastery of Ouche records the death "17 Jun" of "Robertus de Grentemesnil"[1169]. The date must be considered approximate because Orderic Vitalis records that လRodbertus de Grentemaisnilioဝ was mortally wounded in the battle during which လRogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancioလ were killed and that Robert died လXIV Kal Julဝ (it is not known how many dies after the battle)[1170]. m ([1017/20]) [--- de Barcelona, daughter of RAMÓN BORELL I Comte de Barcelona & his wife Ermesinde de Carcassonne].
The Chronicle of Ad√©mar de Chabannes (written before [1034]%29 records that "Normanni, duce Rotgerio" (presumably identifiable as Roger [I], although he never bore the ducal or even comital title), who had been fighting Saracens in Spain, asked "comitissa Barzelonensi Ermensende·Ä¶vidua" for the hand of her (unnamed) daughter[1171]. This episode is dated to [1017/20], when Ermesinde was acting for her son Berenguer Ramon I ·Äúel Curvo·Äù Comte de Barcelona during his minority. In addition, the other events recorded by Ad√©mar in the same paragraph, all relate to 1016/18. Europ√§ische Stammtafeln names her ·ÄúAdelaida (Papia)·Äù[1172]. No primary source has been identified which confirms that either of these names is correct. The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records, in a section headed 1015 but whose coverage extends into later years, that "Rotgerius filius Rodulfi comitis" left Normandy with an army for Spain (·Äúde Normannia perrexit cum exercitu in Hispaniam·Äù) where he married ·Äúsororem Raymundi Berengerii [Ramon Berenger [I] ·Äúel Viejo·Äù Comte de Barcelona] Stephaniam·Äù and lived there ·Äúcum uxore et exercitu suo per 15 annos·Äù before returning ·Äúad patrem suum in Normanniam·Äù (having left ·Äú20 viris et uxore et omnibus qu√¶ possidebant·Äù in Spain) to make peace ·Äúcum duce Richardo·Äù[1173]. The early 12th century Chronicon S Petri Vivi Senonensi records that ·Äúsororem Raymundi Berengerii Stephaniam·Äù married as her second husband ·Äúrex Hispani√¶ Garsias·Äù[1174]. Based on this source, Jaime de Salazar Acha suggests that the widow of Roger [I] de Tosny was Estefanía who married García V King of Navarre[1175]. There are several reasons why this suggestion is unlikely to be correct. Firstly, Roger [I]·Äôs marriage is dated to [1017/20] according to Ad√©mar de Chabannes as noted above. If that date is correct, it is unlikely that his widow would have given birth to nine children by a second marriage, whose births are estimated between 1039 and 1054 (see the document NAVARRE KINGS). Secondly, Estefan√≠a is named with her husband King Garc√≠a in a charter dated 1040, her marriage probably being dated to a couple of years earlier, whereas Roger [I] is recorded in Normandy around the same time as noted above. Thirdly, there are intrinsic problems associated with the Chronicon S. Petri Vivi Senonensis: the chronology of the whole passage, of which the reference to Roger·Äôs marriage forms part, is flawed as explained earlier, and in addition Roger·Äôs wife could not have been the sister of Ramon Berenguer [I] Comte de Barcelona (whose birth is dated to 1023, see the document CATALONIA) if his marriage is correctly dated to [1017/20]. Roger [I] & his wife had [three] children (it does not appear chronologically possible that, in addition, Berthe (who married Guy [I] Seigneur de Laval in [1010/15]) and her [two] brothers (see below) were also children of Roger [I]):
a) [ELBERT (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that လRogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fueratဝ rebelled against Duke Guillaume II and destroyed property, in particular that of လHumfridi de Vetulisဝ whose son eventually killed Roger [I] along with လduobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantioဝ[1176]. Orderic Vitalis records that လRodbertus de Grentemaisnilio...cum Rogerio de Toenioဝ fought လRogerium de Bellomonteဝ, during the course of which လRogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancioလ were killed and လRodbertusဝ mortally wounded[1177]. Assuming that these sources are accurate, there is no indication of the identity of the mother of Elbert and Elinand. Their names are unusual, and not encountered either in the Tosny or Barcelona families, which may suggest that they were illegitimate.]
b) [ELINAND (-killed in battle [before 17 Jun] [1040]). Guillaume of Jumièges records that လRogerius Toenites de stirpe Malahulcii qui Rollonis ducis patruus fueratဝ rebelled against Duke Guillaume II and destroyed property, in particular that of လHumfridi de Vetulisဝ whose son eventually killed Roger [I] along with လduobus filiis suis Helberto et Elinantioဝ[1178]. Orderic Vitalis records that လRodbertus de Grentemaisnilio...cum Rogerio de Toenioဝ fought လRogerium de Bellomonteဝ, during the course of which လRogerius cum filiis suis Elberto et Elinancioလ were killed and လRodbertusဝ mortally wounded[1179]. Assuming that these sources are accurate, there is no indication of the identity of the mother of Elbert and Elinand. Their names are unusual, and not encountered either in the Tosny or Barcelona families, which may suggest that they were illegitimate.]
c) [VUASO . ·Äú...Vuaso filius Rogerii Tothennensis...·Äù subscribed the charter under which Guillaume Duke of Normandy donated the church of Arques to Saint-Wandrille, dated to [1035/55][1180]. The name ·ÄúVuaso·Äù (or similar) is not found in either the Tosny or Barcelona families, which may suggest that he was illegitimate.]
SOURCES
[1156] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber V, X, p. 253.
[1157] Adémar de Chabannes, III, 55, p. 178.
[1158] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, pp. 30-1.
[1159] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, pp. 30-1.
[1160] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 9, p. 10.
[1161] Saint-Wandrille, Appendice, 13, p. 52.
[1162] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
[1163] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. I, Liber I, p. 180.
[1164] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, pp. 40-1.
[1165] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, pp. 30-1.
[1166] Delisle (1867), Pièces justificatives, 16, p. 17.
[1167] Jumièges, Tome I, XX, p. 63.
[1168] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, IV, p. 269.
[1169] RHGF XXIII, Ex Uticensis monasterii necrologio, p. 487.
[1170] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, pp. 40-1.
[1171] Adémar de Chabannes, III, 55, p. 178.
[1172] ES II 69.
[1173] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, pp. 30-1.
[1174] Clarii, Chronico Sancti Petri Vivi Senonensi 1015, MGH SS XXVI, pp. 30-1.
[1175] Salazar Acha ·ÄòEstefanía de Pamplona·Äô (2007), pp. 853-64.
[1176] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
[1177] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, pp. 40-1.
[1178] Willelmi Gemmetencis Historiæ (Duchesne, 1619), Liber VII, III, p. 268.
[1179] Orderic Vitalis (Prévost), Vol. II, Liber III, II, pp. 40-1.
[1180] Saint-Wandrille, Appendice, 17, p. 59.

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