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Persönliche Daten Gertrudis of the Bavarians 

• Sie ist geboren rund 555 in Bavaria, Germany.
• Sie ist verstorben rund 649 in Austrasia.
• Ein Kind von Chlothar I ·Äúthe Old·Äù (Merovingen) the Franks Francs und Waldrada of the Lombards
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 12. Oktober 2021.

Familie von Gertrudis of the Bavarians

Sie ist verheiratet mit Carloman of Landen.

Sie haben geheiratet.

Kind(er):

1. Pepin I the Elder de Landen  ± 580-640 

Notizen bei Gertrudis of the Bavarians

Gertrudis of the Bavarians is your 38th great grandmother.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Emma Corine Welborn (Bombard)
his mother ·Üí Charles Everett Bombard
her father ·Üí Thomas Joseph {Charles Edward} Bombard
his father ·Üí Mathilde Domithilde
his mother ᆒ Jean Charles Claude Chainé (Chenay)
her father ᆒ Marie-Rose Rosalie Chainé (Belanger)
his mother ᆒ Augustin Bélanger
her father ᆒ Geneviève Thibault
his mother ·Üí Elisabeth Agnes Lefebvre
her mother ᆒ Guillaume Lelièvre
her father ᆒ Sieur de la Provostière Pierre LeLievre (LELIÈVRE), sieur de la Provostière
his father ᆒ Renée d'Arclais
his mother ·Üí Dame Peronne De Banville
her mother ᆒ Michèle de Banville (du Parc)
her mother ·Üí Jean du Parc, baron de Cresnays
her father ᆒ Martin du Parc, Baron de Cresnays, Bernières, Verdun
his father ᆒ Robert du Parc, Seigneur d'Availlis, la Rochelle, Romilly, Bernières ,
his father ·Üí Guillaume du Parc, Seigneur d'Availlis
his father ·Üí Alain III Seigneur de la Motte-du-Parc
his father ᆒ Agnès de Coëtmen
his mother ᆒ Geslin de Penthievre de Coëtmen
her father ᆒ Henri I de Bretagne, comte de Tréguier
his father ·Üí Hawise (Hedwig) de Blois, comtesse de Guingamp
his mother ·Üí Thibaut, Count of Blois & Champagne
her father ·Üí Odo II, count of Blois, Champagne and Chartres
his father ·Üí Odo I, count of Blois
his father ·Üí Luitgarde of Vermandois
his mother ᆒ Héribert II, count of Vermandois
her father ᆒ Héribert I de Vermandois, comte de Vermandois, Senlis, Péronne
his father ᆒ Pépin II, lord of Péronne
his father ·Üí Bernard, King of Lombardy
his father ᆒ Pépin, king of Italy
his father ·Üí Charlemagne
his father ᆒ Pépin III, King of the Franks
his father ·Üí Charles Martel
his father ᆒ Pépin ll "the Fat" d'Héristal, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia
his father ·Üí Saint Beggue of Austrasia
his mother ·Üí Pepin of Landen
her father ·Üí Gertrudis of the Bavarians
his mother

https://www.geni.com/people/Gertrudis-of-the-Bavarians/6000000000701141150

Gertrudis
Gender:
Female
Birth:
circa 555
Bavaria, Germany
Death:
December 06, 649 (89-98)
Austrasia
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Garibald I, duke of the Bavarians and Waldrada of the Lombards

Wife of Carloman of Landen

Mother of Pepin of Landen and Waldrade de Landen

Sister of Grimoald d'Aquitaine; Tassilo I, duke of the Bavarians; Gundoald I, duke of Asti and Theodelinda, queen of the Lombards

Half sister of Blithilde, daughter of Clothar I

Her identity is part of the complex question about the reconstruction of the Arnulfing dynasty. Eckhardt noted that the children of Saint Itta and Pépin of Landen have the Agilolfing names Grimoald, Gertrude and perhaps Gerberge (Karl August Eckhardt, Merowinger Blut - I Die Frauen und ihre Karolinger, Witzenhausen, 1965, p. 23-59). It is likely that one of them was a grandchild of Garibald (died 590), duke of Bavaria and his wife Waldrada, but also unlikely that they were first cousins. Scholars are split on the question, but Pépin had a sister Waldrada so it is more likely that the Agilolfing connection came from his ancestors than from Itta's. If so, the wife of Carloman and mother of Pépin must have been a daughter of Garibald and Waldrada. - Justin Swanström, Dec. 2, 2013.

" probably another daughter, mother of Pepin of Landen, in whose family we find the first names of the Agilolfingians. [13] "
https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibaldo_I_di_Baviera#Famiglia_e_figli
Ben M. Angel notes on September 25, 2010: This individual appears to be based on speculation. My brief analysis follows:
Children:
Pepin Le Vieux - FMG doesn't cite a parent (apparently Pepin I is at the edge of the scope of the Medieval Lands research project), but there is a citation under Itta, his wife: 'The Annales Metenses name "matertera ipsius [Pippini]ဦvirgo Domino consecrate Geretrudis" and record that she founded the monastery "in locoဦNivella cum genitrice sua Itaberga"[21]. ' English and German Wikipedia cite only Carloman (Karlmann von Landen-Austrasien) as having been mentioned in the Chronicle of Fredigaire, the main biographical source for Pepin Le Vieux.
French Wikipedia provides the main amount of information on Gertrude in a section marked as speculative, the text of which follows:
Aucun document contemporain ne mentionne le nom de ses parents, et la Vita Garitrudis abbatissae Nivialencis r√©dig√©e au viie si√®cle se borne à dire que son origine est si illustre que nul en Europe n'ignore le nom et la gloire de ses a√Øeux. Au xe si√®cle, la Genealogia regum Francorum parle de ¬´Carloman, maire du Palais d'Austrasie sous Th√©odebert II [596-612] et p√®re de P√©pin¬ª[2], puis au xie si√®cle, la Vita Pippini ducis le dit simplement fils d'un Carloman, sans plus de pr√©cision. La documentation contemporaine permet de confirmer l'inexistence d'un maire du palais nomm√© Carloman au d√©but du viie si√®cle. Les historiens sont partag√©s sur l'existence même de Carloman, certains rejetant compl√®tement l'information[3]. Mais cette mention de Carloman comme p√®re de P√©pin dans la Vita Pippini ducis n'apporte pas de pr√©tention particuli√®re et semble être issue d'une autre source que la Genealogia regum Francorum. De plus, à la naissance de Charles Martel, le continuateur de Fr√©d√©gaire, indique que son p√®re P√©pin de Herstal le nomma d'un nom pris à sa propre langue, c'est-à-dire à sa langue maternelle, ce qui indique que le pr√©nom de Charles provient de sa famille maternelle, donc celle de P√©pin de Landen[4].
Quant à sa m√®re, elle reste inconnue des diff√©rentes sources tant contemporaines qu'ult√©rieures. Cependant, on peut remarquer dans la parent√© proche de P√©pin une certain nombre de porteurs de pr√©noms agilolfinges. Il est en effet fr√®re d'une Waldrade[5] et p√®re d'un Grimoald et d'une Gertrude. Comme aucun document ne mentionne P√©pin comme un Agilolfinge, ce dernier ne peut être alli√© à cette famille que par les femmes. Chronologiquement, le seul lien agnatique qui rende compte de cette onomastique est que la m√®re de P√©pin de Landen soit une fille de Garibald, premier duc de Bavi√®re, et de son √©pouse Waldrade, veuve des rois Th√©odebald et de Clotaire Ier. Compte tenu de la transmission du pr√©nom Gertrude, qui est celui d'une probable ni√®ce de Garibald, à la fille de P√©pin, il est possible que la m√®re de P√©pin portait ce pr√©nom[6].
References:
2.·Üë Information reprise par Fustel de Coulanges, Histoire des institutions politiques de l'ancienne France [archive], vol. 6, livre II, Hachette, Paris, 1907, p. 125.
3.·Üë Karl August Eckhardt, Studia Merovingica, Witzenhausen, 1975.
4.·Üë Settipani 1989, p. 67.
5.ᆑ Selon Ummo, dans sa Vita Arnulfi (au milieu du IXe siècle). Cette Waldrade serait la mère de Wandregisel, fondateur de l'abbaye de Saint-Wandrille
6.·Üë Settipani 1989, p. 68.
In English:
No contemporary document mentions the names of Pepin's parents, and the "Vita Garitrudis abbatissae Nivialencis" written in the 7th century, merely states that he is so famous that no one in Europe knows the name and glory of his ancestors. In the 10th century, the "Genealogia regum Francorum" cites a "Carloman, Mayor of the Palace of Austrasia under Theodebert II [596-612] and the father of Pepin" [2]. In the 11th century, the "Vita Ducis Pippin" cites only that he was the son of Carloman, without elaborating.
Contemporaneous documentation does not show a mayor of the palace named Carloman in the early 7th century. Historians are divided on the existence of Carloman, completely rejecting the accuracy some information [3]. But the mention of Carloman as father of Pepin in the "Vita Ducis Pippin" makes no particular claim and seems to come from a source other than the "Genealogia regum Francorum." In addition, in the section that covers the birth of Charles Martel, the successor of Fredegaire, said that his father, Pepin of Herstal, gave him a name taken from his own language, that is to say his mother tongue, indicating that Charles' first name comes from his mother's family, or that of Pepin of Landen [4].
As for his mother, she remained unknown in contemporary sources. However, within the close relatives of Pepin are a number of those with names coming from the Agilolfings. There is indeed a brother of Waldrade [5], and a father of Grimoald, and a Gertrude. As no document of Pepin's origin mentions an Agilolfing, the latter cannot be combined with this family maternally. Chronologically, the only agnatic relationship that reflects this set of onomastics is the mother of Pepin of Landen being the daughter of Garibald, first Duke of Bavaria, and his wife Waldrade, widow of Kings Theodebald and Clotaire I. Given the transmission of the name Gertrude, who was possibly a niece of Garibald, to a daughter of Pepin, it is possible that the mother of Pepin first carried this name [6].
Parents:
According to FMG, German and English Wikipedia, and Karl-Heinz Schreiber's Mittelalter page on Garibald I of Bavaria (the Garibald who married Waldrada), there is no Gertrude listed. FMG cites an unnamed daughter, but this daughter apparently married between 590 and 596 to Evin, dux Tridentinorum (Trent), which pushed Garibald into the camp opposing the Franks.
Schreiber cites a daughter of Garibald named Theodelinde (570-628) having married at age 15 to Merovingian King Childebert II of the Franks (later repudiated apparently), but not to Carloman de Landen.
A proposed genealogy is presented later, illustrating the speculative position of Gertrude.
Sources used:
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Merovingian Nobility:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/FRANKSMaiordomi.htm#_Toc184117347
Foundation for Medieval Genealogy page on Bavaria:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/BAVARIA.htm#Garibald
English Wikipedia pages for Garibald of Bavaria and Pepin of Landen:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibald_I_of_Bavaria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pepin_of_Landen
German Wikipedia pages for Garibald of Bavaria and Pippin der Ältere:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garibald_I.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippin_der_%C3%84ltere
French Wikipedia page for Pepin de Landen:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A9pin_de_Landen
From Karl-Heinz Schreiber's page on Garibald:
http://www.mittelalter-genealogie.de/agilolfinger/garibald_1_herzog...

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