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Persönliche Daten Guigues II Guy d'Albon (de Forez) comte de Lyon et de Forez 

• Er wurde geboren rund 1099 in France.
• Er ist verstorben am 27. Oktober 1138.
• Ein Kind von Guigues Raymond d'Albon (de Forez) und Ide-Raymonde d'ALBON DE FOREZ
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 10. August 2023.

Familie von Guigues II Guy d'Albon (de Forez) comte de Lyon et de Forez

Er ist verheiratet mit Marie Alix de Beaujeu.

Sie haben geheiratet.

Kind(er):

1. Guigues III de Forez  ± 1130-1206 

Notizen bei Guigues II Guy d'Albon (de Forez) comte de Lyon et de Forez

Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
Guigues Forez (d'Albon), II
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 1099 France
Death:
October 27, 1138 (34-43)

Immediate Family:
Son of Guigues Raymond, comte d'Albon and Ide Raymonde, comtesse douairière de Forez

Husband of Marie Alix de Beaujeu (Dame de Beaujeu)

Father of Guigues de Forez, III, Comte de Lyon et de Forez and Renaud de Forez

Half brother of Ermengarde de Nevers

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Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez is your 27th great grandfather.
You
¬â€  ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn
your father ·Üí Henry Marvin Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí Calhoun H. Welborn
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his father ·Üí William "Billy" Welborn
his father ·Üí Aaron W Welborn, Sr.
his father ·Üí James Welborn
his father ·Üí Ann Wellborn (Crabtree)
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her mother ·Üí Mary Courtenay (Stucley)
her mother ·Üí John Stucley, of Affeton
her father ·Üí Sir Lewis Stukley
his father ·Üí Frances Culpepper (St. Leger)
his mother ·Üí Catherine Saint Leger (Neville)
her mother ·Üí Sir George Neville, 5th and de jure 3rd Baron Bergavenny
her father ·Üí George Neville, 4th and de jure 2nd Baron Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Edward Neville, 3rd Baron of Bergavenny
his father ·Üí Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland
his mother ·Üí John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster, 1st Earl of Richmond
her father ·Üí Edward III, king of England
his father ·Üí Isabella of France, Queen consort of England
his mother ·Üí Jeanne I, Queen of Navarre
her mother ·Üí Henry I the Fat, king of Navarre
her father ·Üí Marguerite de Bourbon, reina de Navarra
his mother ·Üí Alix de Forez
her mother ·Üí Guigues "Branda" de Forez, III, Count of Forez
her father ·Üí Guigues de Forez, III, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father ·Üí Guigues d'Albon, II, Comte de Lyon et de Forez
his father

Guigues II d'Albon, comte de Lyon et de Forez is your 27th great grandfather.
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your mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Alice Elmyra Smith¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Nellie Mary Henley¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John Merrit Wooldridge¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíMerritt Wooldridge¬â€ 
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his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Edward Wooldridge, Jr.¬â€ 
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his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Sir John de Neville, Earl of Northumberland¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíRichard Neville, 5th Earl of Salisbury¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Joan Beaufort, Countess of Westmorland¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John of Gaunt, 1st Duke of Lancaster¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíEdward III of England¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Isabella of France, Queen consort of England¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Jeanne I, Queen of Navarre¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·ÜíHenry I the Fat, king of Navarre¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Marguerite de Bourbon, reina de Navarra¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Alix de Forez¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·ÜíGuigues IV "Branda" de Forez, comte de Lyon et de Forez¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Guigues III de Forez, comte de Lyon et de Forez¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·ÜíGuigues II d'Albon, comte de Lyon et de Forez¬â€ 
his father

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3.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GUIGUES dit Raymond ([1074/75]-5 Dec after 1096).¬â€  "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[200].¬â€  He is referred to, but not named, in the testament of "comitis Barchinone·Ä¶Raimundi Berengarii" dated 12 Nov 1076 as residuary beneficiary of the county of Barcelona in case of the death of the testator's three children[201].¬â€  m (1085 or before) as her second husband, [ITA Raymonde] de Forez, [divorced wife] of [RENAUD [II] Comte de Nevers], daughter of ARTAUD [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon & his wife Raymonde ---.¬â€  The Origine et Historia Brevi Nivernensium Comitum records that "Guillelmus·Ä¶[filios]·Ä¶Renaldum" married firstly "filiam unicam [Artaldi] comitis Foratensis"[202].¬â€  La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guy-Raymond de Viennois" married "Ide-Raymonde de Forez, fille d·ÄôArtaud V·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez et d·ÄôIde son √©pouse" and refers to the couple·Äôs donation of "quelques terres situ√©es au pays de Forez" to Cluny dated 1085, adding that the property in question was Ita·Äôs dowry[203].¬â€  La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to Guichenon·Äôs Histoire de Savoie.¬â€  This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â€  It is not now therefore possible to state whether the charter explicitly confirms Ita Raymonde·Äôs affiliation, although on this point there appears no reason to doubt that La Mure had the document available when he was writing as his description of its contents is precise.¬â€  Two difficulties remain.¬â€  The first difficulty is the date of the supposed Cluny charter, as at that time Guigues would still have been a child (his estimated birth date appears robust).¬â€  The second difficulty is that Ita must have been considerably older than her second husband, assuming that she was the same daughter who had previously married Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers, as she had a daughter by her first marriage.¬â€  One possibility is that Artaud [II] Comte de Forez et de Lyon had two daughters, despite the Origine et Historia asserting that Comte Renaud·Äôs wife was "filiam unicam".¬â€  It should be noted that no source has been identified which confirms that Guigues·Äôs wife had previously been the wife of Comte Renaud.¬â€  If there was only one daughter, she must have been divorced from her first husband, although no source has been found which confirms that this is correct.¬â€  It should be noted that La Mure asserts that Renaud [II] Comte de Nevers was Ita·Äôs second husband, married after the death of Guigues, but this appears difficult to reconcile with the chronology of the different families with which she was connected.¬â€  Guigues & his wife had one child:¬â€ 
a)¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  GUY [Guigues] (-27 Oct 1138).¬â€  La Mure·Äôs Histoire des Comtes de Forez states that "Guigues ou Guy I·Ä¶comte de Lyon et de Forez" was the son of Guigues-Raymond and his wife Ita Raymonde and refers to his donation to Cluny dated 1137 for the souls of "son p√®re ledit Guigues surnomm√© Raymond et·Ä¶sa mere ladite Ide surnomm√©e Raymonde"[204].¬â€  La Mure does not quote the charter in question nor provide a precise source reference, apart from referring to "les sieurs Du Bouchet, d·ÄôHozier et Guichenon".¬â€  This charter has not been found in the compilation of Cluny charters edited by Bernard and Bruel so presumably has since disappeared.¬â€  The family origin of Guy/Guigues appears confirmed by another charter, dated 1173, quoted by La Mure (also without providing the source citation reference) under which his grandson "comes Guigo" donated property "a Vienna usque ad Antonem et usque Burgundium" to the church of Lyon except if he succeeded to [the county of Viennois] ("nisi jure h√¶reditario, ex linea consanguinitatis aliis exclusis, ad ipsum successio fueris devoluta")[205].¬â€  Comte de Lyon et de Forez [1115].¬â€ 
-¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  COMTES de LYON et de FOREZ.¬â€ 
Guigues [III] had two [probably illegitimate] children by [an unknown mistress]:
4.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  RICHARD (-after 1079).¬â€  "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[206].¬â€  It is unlikely that Richard and Armand were born from their father·Äôs second marriage as they are not named in their maternal grandfather·Äôs 1076 testament.¬â€  As they are named after "Guigonis cognomento Raimundi ", it is probable that they were younger brothers or of lesser status, maybe because they were illegitimate.¬â€ 
5.¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€ ¬â€  ARMAND (-after 1079).¬â€  "Wigo Albionis comes" named "fratres mei Guigonis cognomento Raimundi, Richardi, Armannique" in his donation to Cluny dated 1079[207].¬â€  It is unlikely that Richard and Armand were born from their father·Äôs second marriage as they are not named in their maternal grandfather·Äôs 1076 testament.¬â€  As they are named after "Guigonis cognomento Raimundi ", it is probable that they were younger brothers or of lesser status, maybe because they were illegitimate.¬â€ 
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