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Persönliche Daten R√©naud de Bar-sur-Seine count of Bar-sur-Seine 

• Er wurde geboren im Jahr 925 in Vermandois, Normandy, France.
• Er ist verstorben im Jahr 997 in Vermandois, Normandy, France, er war 72 Jahre alt.
• Ein Kind von Raoul de Bar-sur-Seine
• Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 30. Juni 2022.

Familie von Rénaud de Bar-sur-Seine count of Bar-sur-Seine

Kind(er):

1. Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine & de Tonnerre  ± 1030-± 1085 

Notizen bei Rénaud de Bar-sur-Seine count of Bar-sur-Seine

Rénaud / Rainard de Tonnerre, comte de Bar-sur-Seine & Tonnerre
Gender:
Male
Birth:
estimated between 962 and 1022¬â€ 
Tonnerre,, France
Death:
July 16, 1039
Bar Sur Seine, Aube, Alsace-Champagne-Ardenne-Lorraine, France
Immediate Family:
Son of Milon de Tonnerre, comte de Tonnerre and Ermengarde NN, heiress de Bar-sur-Seine

Husband of Ervise / Helvise NN, comtesse de Tonnerre

Father of Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine & de Tonnerre, heiress, comtesse de Tonnerre and Nocher de Bar-sur-Seine

Brother of Milon de Tonnerre, comte de Bar-sur-Seine; Achard de Tonnerre; Odo / Eudes de Tonnerre and Aubrey de Tonnerre

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Rénaud / Rainard de Tonnerre, comte de Bar-sur-Seine & Tonnerre is your 28th great grandfather.
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your mother ·Üí Henry Loyd Smith Sr.
her father ·Üí Edgar Jackson Smith (Edgar Jackson Smith)
his father ·Üí Margaret Jane Smith (Houser)
his mother ·Üí Susannah Houser (Moore)
her mother ·Üí Sarah ·ÄúSally·Äù Moore (Jones)
her mother ·Üí Eleanor Penelope Jones (Brooks)
her mother ·Üí Brambly Wade Bennett
her mother ·Üí Mary Bennett (Rogers)
her mother ·Üí William Rogers, of Roger's Plantation
her father ·Üí John Rogers, of James City
his father ·Üí John Rogers
his father ·Üí Alice Rogers (Calle)
his mother ·Üí Richard Calle
her father ·Üí John (or?) William Calle
his father ·Üí Margery Paston
his mother ·Üí Margaret Paston (de Mauteby)
her mother ·Üí John de Mauteby (de Mautby)
her father ·Üí Margaret de Mautby (de Beauchamp)
his mother ·Üí Sir Roger de Beauchamp, of Bletsoe
her father ·Üí Lord Roger de Beauchamp, Sr., 1st Baron Beauchamp of Bletso
his father ·Üí Alice de Tosny
his mother ·Üí Ralph VI de Tosny, Lord of Flamstead
her father ·Üí Constance de Beaumont
his mother ·Üí Richard I de Beaumont, Viscount
her father ·Üí Roscelin de Beaumont, Vicomte de Beaumont
his father ·Üí Raoul de Beaumont, VI, Vicomte Beaumont-au-Maine
his father ·Üí Ermengarde de Nevers
his mother ·Üí Ermengarde de Bar-sur-Seine & de Tonnerre, heiress, comtesse de Tonnerre
her mother ᆒ Rénaud / Rainard de Tonnerre, comte de Bar-sur-Seine & Tonnerre
her father

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http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#Ermengardisdiedbefore1090MGuillaumeINeve

http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MiloIVTonnerredied1046B

Son of Milon de Tonnerre and Ermengarde:
http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/burgdtonne.htm#MiloIVTonnerredied1046B
RAINARD de Tonnerre ([980/90]-after 16 Jul 1039). လMilo comes Tornodorensis castriဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, with the consent of လconiugis mee Ermengarde etဦfiliorum meorum Achardi, Rainardi et Albericiဝ, by charter dated to [992/1005][58]. "Milo comesဦ Achardus, Odo, Raynardus" witnessed the charter dated to [992] under which လUmbertusဦet mee conjugisဦGibergeဝ donated property "in villaဦCurtis-Secretaဦin comitatu Tornodorense" to Saint-Michel de Tonnerre[59]. It is possible that the last three names in the list refer to the children of Milon [IV] Comte de Tonnerre. Comte de Tonnerre. "Raynardus comes Tornodorensis pagi et mater mea Ermengardis comitissa" donated "alodum nostrumဦCappam" to Saint-Michel by charter dated 1002, signed by "Odonis vicecomitisဦ"[60]. "Leotgarda comitissaဦac filii mei Rogerii" donated "terramဦin villaဦJassant" to Saint-Michel by charter dated to [1005], signed by "Rogerius comes, Richardus, Rainardus comes, Alberic, Erembertus vicecomes, Miloဦ"[61]. လRainaldus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of လfilii mei Othonisဝ buried in the monastery and လuxore mea Hervizဦfilio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengardaဝ, by charter dated Jul 1036, subscribed by လဦRaynaldi comitis, Willelmi comitis filius eiusဝ[62]. လRaynardus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of လuxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengardeဝ, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names လmater mea Ermengardisဝ[63].
m (after 1002) HELVIS, daughter of --- (-after 16 Jul 1039). လRainaldus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of လfilii mei Othonisဝ buried in the monastery and လuxore mea Hervizဦfilio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengardaဝ, by charter dated Jul 1036[64]. လRaynardus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of လuxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengardeဝ, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names လmater mea Ermengardisဝ[65]. Rainard & his wife had three children:
i) OTTO de Tonnerre (-before Jul 1036, bur Tonnerre Saint-Michel). လRainaldus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of လfilii mei Othonisဝ buried in the monastery and လuxore mea Hervizဦfilio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengardaဝ, by charter dated Jul 1036[66]. Otto is shown in Europäische Stammtafeln[67] as having three possible sons, Robert, Wido and Renaud, all လpuerဝ 1036. This is based on the charter of လRainaldus comesဝ dated Jul 1036 (see above). The full list of subscribers to this document is: လRainaldi comitis, Arduini, Erviz matris eius, Ermengardæ sororis eius, Ervei, Widonis, Hugonis, Barnuynis, Wydonis, Emelini, Iterii, Widrici, Rotberti clerici, Hugonis, Rodulfi, Attonis, Raynaldi, Rotberti pueri, Widonis pueri, Raynardi pueri, Richardi, Otmundi, Attoni, Joffredi, Otmundi, Aymonis, Millonis clerici, Raynaldi comitis, Willelmi comitis filii eiusဝ[68]. None of the names has been identified apart from Comte Renaud and his immediate family, and the last two. The names of the three လpueriဝ have no special priority in the order of the list and it seems pure speculation to suggest that they may have been the sons of Otto, deceased son of Renaud.
ii) HARDOUIN de Tonnerre (-29 Sep 1065). လRainaldus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of လfilii mei Othonisဝ buried in the monastery and လuxore mea Hervizဦfilio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengardaဝ, by charter dated Jul 1036[69]. လRaynardus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of လuxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengardeဝ, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names လmater mea Ermengardisဝ[70]. Archdeacon at Noyon until 1050. Bishop of Langres 1050.
iii) ERMENGARDE de Tonnerre ([1023/26]-before 1090). လRainaldus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel, for the soul of လfilii mei Othonisဝ buried in the monastery and လuxore mea Hervizဦfilio nostro Arduyno ac filia Ermengardaဝ, by charter dated Jul 1036[71]. Her birth date is estimated from her marriage in [1039], combined with the fact that she was still not of marriageable age in 1036. လRaynardus comesဝ donated property to the monastery of Saint-Michel (on his deathbed), with the consent of လuxoris mee Herviz et filii mei Harduini sive filie mee Ermengardeဝ, by charter dated 16 Jul 1039 which also names လmater mea Ermengardisဝ[72]. Her marriage is referred to in the Gesta pontificum Autissiodorensium[73]. She succeeded as Ctss de Tonnerre in 1065 when her cousin Comte Hugues-Rainard became bishop of Langres[74]. m ([1039]%29 as his first wife, GUILLAUME [I] Comte de Nevers et d'Auxerre, son of RENAUD [I] Comte de Nevers & his wife Hedwig [Avoie] de France [Capet] (-20 Jun 1098, bur Nevers Saint-Etienne).
Liste des comtes de Bar-sur-Seine
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ch%C3%A2teau_de_Bar-sur-Seine
[ Ne doit pas être confondu avec les comtes de Bar (Bar-le-Duc).]
Les armoiries du comté mais celles-ci sont postérieures au dernier comte de Bar-sur-Seine
Comtes du Pagus Latiscencis, ou comtes du Lassois :
Renard de Woëvre (c. 890) [r%C3%A9f. souhaitée]
Réginald de Woëvre, (950-997) [r%C3%A9f. souhaitée]
Raoul III[r%C3%A9f. souhait√©e] de Wo√´vre, (c. 965). Vivait encore à l'√©poque de Brunon de Roucy, √©vêque de Langres3
? - 997 : Rainard de Bar-sur-Seine (ဠ c. 997), fils de Raoul qui précède4
Une fille Ermengarde qui suit3
997-998 : Milon II, comte de Tonnerre, mari√© à Ermengarde3
998-1002 : Herbert III de Vermandois, second époux d'Ermengarde5
1002- ? : Renaud Ier de Tonnerre, fils de Milon II (tutelle de sa mère Ermengarde)5
?- 1039 : Renaud Ier, comte de Tonnerre et de Bar-sur-Seine6
mari√© à Erwise6,7
Trois enfants, Othon (·Ä† 1036)6, Arduin √©vêque de Langres (·Ä† 1065), Ermengarde (v. 1032-1083)
1040 : Guy de Tonnerre, frère du précédent8
Refs: Ernest Petit, Histoire des ducs de Bourgogne de la race cap√©tienne avec des documents in√©dits et des pi√®ces justificatives, t. II, Paris, Lechevalier, 1888, ¬´ G√©n√©alogie des premiers comtes de Tonnerre, documents in√©dits du xe si√®cle pour servir à l'histoire...et des comtes inconnus jusqu'ici de Bar-sur-Seine ¬ª, p. 419-442, disponible [archive] sur Gallica https://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/bpt6k111725f/f443
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COMTES de BAR-sur-SEINE from FMG Medieval Land Database updated May 2020
A. COMTES de BAR-sur-SEINE
1. RAOUL . The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon names "miles Rodulfusဦde Barrensi castroဦet filius ipsius Rainardus"[169]. m ---. The name of Raoulမs wife is not known. Raoul & his wife had one child:
a) RAINARD . The Chronicle of St Bénigne de Dijon names "miles Rodulfusဦde Barrensi castroဦet filius ipsius Rainardus"[170]. same person asဦ? RAINARD (-after [997]). Comte [de Bar-sur-Seine]. "Milo comesဦRaynardus comesဦ" witnessed the charter dated to [992] under which လUmbertusဦet mee conjugisဦGibergeဝ donated property "in villaဦCurtis-Secretaဦin comitatu Tornodorense" to Saint-Michel de Tonnerre[171]. Ernest Petit suggests this co-identity, pointing out that Coussegré was situated in the domaine of Chaource, which in part was a dependency of the county of Bar-sur-Seine[172]. There appears to be no other evidence of the existence of Rainard, son of Raoul, and Bouchard points out that the dating of the charter in question is uncertain[173]. She suggests that it is more likely that "Rainardus comes" was either Rainard Comte de Sens or Rainard Comte de Tonnerre, the son of Ermengardis. However, the latter suggestion appears incorrect as "Miles comes", who would have been the father of Rainard Comte de Tonnerre, is also named in the [992] charter. "ဦRaynardi comitisဦMilonis comitisဦ" subscribed a charter dated to [997] which deals with the property at Coussegré[174]. m ---. The name of Rainardမs wife is not known. Rainard & his wife had [one possible child]:
i) [ERMENGARDE (-after 1018). Ernest Petit suggests that Ermengarde, wife of Milon [III] Comte de Tonnerre, was the daughter of Rainard and heiress of Bar-sur-Seine[175]. A family connection is indicated by the charter dated to [992/1005] under which လMilo comes Tornodorensis castriဝ donated property "in villaဦCurtis-Secreta" to the monastery of Saint-Michel, with the consent of လconiugis mee Ermengarde et carissimorum filiorum meorum Achardi, Rainardi et Albericiဝ[176], the property being the same as the subject of the [992] charter witnessed by "ဦRaynardus comesဦ"[177]. m MILON [IV] Comte de Tonnerre, son of --- ([950/65]-1002 or after).]
B. COMTE de BAR-sur-SEINE (TONNERRE)
The family of the Comtes de Tonnerre presumably acquired the county of Bar-sur-Seine as a result of the marriage of Ermengarde (see above) and Milon [IV] Comte de Tonnerre, who was related to Hugues Rainard who is shown below although the precise relationship has not been ascertained.
1. HUGUES RAINARD de Tonnerre, son of MILO [V] Comte de Tonnerre & his wife Aceka --- (-2/3 Apr 1084). လMilo comes castri Tornodoriဝ donated property to Saint-Michel de Tonnerre, by charter dated 29 Sep 1046, which specifies that after the death of လsupradicti Milonis regnante filio eius Hugoneဦဝ, signed by လHugonis qui et Raynardiဦcomitisဦဝ[178]. He succeeded his father as Comte de Tonnerre et Comte de Bar-sur-Seine 1046. Archdeacon at Langres. Bishop of Langres 1065.

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