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  • Hij is geboren in het jaar 1408 in Gillingham, Dorset, England.

    Waarschuwing Let op: Leeftijd bij trouwen (??-??-1421) lag beneden de 16 jaar (13).

    Waarschuwing Let op: Was ouder dan 65 jaar (82) toen kind (Robert "Loard of Bowridge Hall' De GREENE) werd geboren (??-??-1490).

  • Hij is overleden in het jaar 1486 in Drayton, Dorset, England, hij was toen 78 jaar oud.

    Fout Let op: Was 9 maanden voor de geboorte (??-??-1490) van kind (Robert "Loard of Bowridge Hall' De GREENE) al overleden (??-??-1486).

  • Een kind van THOMAS de GREENE en ELA Malorie Green (Malorie) (MALLORY)
  • Deze gegevens zijn voor het laatst bijgewerkt op 22 augustus 2018.

Gezin van John Drayton the Fugitive Greene

Hij is getrouwd met Mary Margaret Lady Drayton Greene (Married her cousin John de Greene).


Marriage
Date: 1425
Place: Greene's Norton, Northamptonshire, England

Zij zijn getrouwd in het jaar 1421 te Shropshire, England, hij was toen 13 jaar oud.


Kind(eren):

  1. Alice Greene  1424-± 1495 
  2. John Greene  ± 1470-1520 


Notities over John Drayton the Fugitive Greene


John Greene, the Fugitive is your 15th great grandfather.
You¬â€ 
¬â€ ¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Geneva Allene Welborn¬â€ 
your mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Alice Elmyra Smith¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Nellie Mary Henley¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John Merrit Wooldridge¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·ÜíMerritt Wooldridge¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Chesley Wooldridge¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Edward Wooldridge, Jr.¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Mary Wooldridge¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Mary Martha Flournoy¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·ÜíJane Gower¬â€ 
her mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ William Hatcher, of Varina Parish¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ William Hatcher, Sr.¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Dr. Thomas William Hatcher, of Careby¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·ÜíAlice Hatcher¬â€ 
his mother¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ Edward Greene¬â€ 
her father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John Greene, Best Swordsman In Europe¬â€ 
his father¬â€ ·Üí¬â€ John Greene, the Fugitive¬â€ 
his father

https://www.geni.com/people/John-Greene-the-Fugitive/6000000003649707133

Sir John Greene, Lord Drayton
Gender:
Male
Birth:
1408¬â€ 
Gillingham, Dorset, England
Death:
1486¬â€ (78)¬â€ 
Gillingham, Dorset, England
Immediate Family:
Son of¬â€ Sir Thomas Green, Kt.;¬â€ Sir Thomas Greene, Lord of Isham;¬â€ Ela Green¬â€ and¬â€ Ela Green¬â€ 
Husband of¬â€ Mary Margaret Greene¬â€ 
Father of¬â€ Sir Robert Greene, Knight, Gentleman and Lord of Bowridge;¬â€ John Greene, Best Swordsman In Europe¬â€ and¬â€ Sir John Greene, Sr¬â€ 
Brother of¬â€ Sir Thomas Greene, Kt.¬â€ 
Half brother of¬â€ Margaret Aderne¬â€ and¬â€ Sir Thomas Green, High Sheriff of Northamptonshire¬â€ 

Known as John "The Fugitive" Greene.
There never were any "Earls of Isham" - the title is bogus.

John Greene son of Thomas de Greene and Ela Malorie) was born 1468 in Gillingham, Dorset, England.
John "the Fugitive" Greene
Gordon Greene24 (View posts)
Posted: 7 Mar 2000 10:11AM
Edited: 29 Aug 2005 9:27PM
I can provide some information re John "the Fugitive" Greene. I don't have many good solid facts because very few are available.
Most of what I have came from
La Mance, Lora S., The Greene Family and Its Branches, from A.D. 861 to A.D. 1904: Mayflower Publishing Company, Floral Park, New York, p. 34-37, and from
Ancestral File of the LDS Church.
Records from family members, now deceased, contributed a little.
I have encountered errors in all of these sources. I have not yet checked for verification from original sources.
The La Mance reference covers the legends handed down re John.
The Ancestral File provides a little data on his family, and how I am related to him.
I do not have a scanner, but I can Photostat the pages of interest, and mail copies to you if you wish. The book is available as a reprint. I can provide the information on where. My copy is an original, and it looks it's age.
John Greene: Where Does "The Fugitive" Come From?
NOTE: The following excerpt is taken from another Geni member's profile and was not written in my words. I believe it explains best the story of "The Fugitive", John Greene. The link is found below.
The Fugitive
John Greene, son of the foregoing, was sent, in 1483, by King Richard III as a messenger bearing a letter from the King to Sir Robert Brackenbury who was then the keeper of the Tower of London. In this letter the King gave orders that his two nephews, "the little Princes in the Tower," should be put to death.
Although this inquitous command was later obeyed by another governor of the Tower, Sir Robert refused to commit murder at his sovereign's behest, and sent his message of refusal back to the King by John Greene.
It is a tradition that when King Henry VII came to the throne he bore enmity to this John Greene because he had played (only) the part of a messenger for Richard III in the later's wicked designs, and that John Greene fled from England lest he be captured by the King.
It is said that "John the Fugitive" returned to England and for safety assumed the name of John Clarke. . . Despite his change of name, the identity of John Greene, the Fugitive was discovered, and he again fled from England, his further history being unknown.
Fate
There is no evidence that Richard III ever ordered the murder of his nephews by any hand or at any time whatsoever.
He is not even the only suspect with access to the Tower and the staff thereof in 1483 - Henry Stafford, Duke of Buckingham also had such access. Buckingham had his own motives to kill the Princes, having a claim of his own to the throne equivalent to that of Henry Tudor, depending on one's view of the legitimacy of the Beaufort line.
According to a manuscript discovered in the early 1980s in the College of Arms collection, the Princes were murdered "be [by] the vise" of the Duke of Buckingham. There is some argument over whether "vise" means "advice" or "devise".[4]
According to this perspective, if Buckingham killed the Princes and blamed Richard, he could form a rebellion, putting the throne into play with only Henry Tudor as a rival.
Indeed, he¬â€ was¬â€ one of the leaders of a rebellion, ostensibly in favor of Henry Tudor, in October 1483.
However, the rebellion was quickly crushed and Buckingham executed. Henry Tudor would succeed in defeating Richard III two years later. (Adapted from Wikipedia.)

(Henry VII is yet another suspect, with the strongest motives of all - if the Princes were still alive and accessible to him in 1485, he would have had to dispose of them in order to secure his claim.)

Whether this means that John "the Fugitive" Greene was involved in the Buckingham/Tudor rebellion of 1483 and fled lest he be tried and executed, or whether he stayed out of that but Henry VII later took against him for some other reason (like knowing too much), we may never know.
(Taken completely from another Geni user, link below).
Links
http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/GREENE/2000-11/0973179219
Here is another good read on John Greene and the Greenes in general:
WikiTree:¬â€ http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Greene-490

https://familysearch.org/photos/stories/2741308

He [John] purchased an estate in Gillingham Dorsetshire which was called Bowridge, sometimes called Porridge Hill. Most of the subsidy rolls of that century have been destroyed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gillingham,_Dorset
The Greene family in England and America, with pedigrees -¬â€ https://archive.org/stream/greenefamilyinen00bost#page/n181/mode/2up/search/+Robert+Greene

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