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Personal data Robert IV "le Gros" de Béthune 

• Nickname is le Gros.
• He was born between 1050 and 1065.Source 2

  TABLE GENEALOGIQVE DE LA MAISON DE BETHVNE
  
  Blz XIX
  
  LA Baronnie de BETHSAM , OU BESSAN , a efté l'vne des RSS principales villes de la Paleftine , & la Metropole de toute la Ga lilée . Elle s'appelloit anciennement Curopolis , & auoit vn iege Archiepifcopal , qui pour la reuerence du lieu de la Conception de Noftre Seigneur fut transferé en la ville de Nazareth Vn fils puifnay de ROBERT III . du nom SEIGNEVR DE BETHVNE estant allé au premier voyage de la I erre Sainte auec Ro bert Comte de Flandres , il l'obtint pour fa part de la conqueste faite fur les infidelles . Ce qui l'obligea à s'eſtablir en l'Orient , où il donna origine à vne Branche de la MAISON DE BETHVNE , qui printle furnom de BESSAN , & pofſeda cette Baronnic iufques à l'an mille trois cents ou enuiron . VARNESTON est vne autre noble & ancienne Baronnie de Flandres , laquelle ALIX DE PERONNE apporta en mariage à ROBERT IV . dit LE GROS SEIGNEVR DE BETHVNE . Elle fut tenue par leurs defcendans iufques à MAHAVT DE BETHVNE femme de Guy Comte de Flandres Defquels Mar guerite mere de Guy l'ayant prife , foit par efchange , ou autre ment , elle en fift don à Baudouin de Hainaut Sire de Beaumont fon petit fils . Mais quelque temps apres Baudouin la reuendit au mefme Comte Guy . Depuis Louys Comte de Flandres & de des Anti - Neuers la bailla en partage à fon frère Robert de Flandres dit de quitez de Caffel , dont la fille nommée Yoland de Flandres la portaà Hen par Philip - ry IV . du nom Comte de Bar fon efpoux . De là elle eſcheut à pinoy . Robert de Bar Comte de Marle , qui épousa IEANNE DE BETHVNE Vicomteſſe de Meaux Et par l'alliance de Ieanne de Bar leur fille elle paſſa dedans la Maifon de Luxembourg : d'où fi nalement elle vint en celle des Ducs de Vendofme . Auiour d'huy elle appartient aux Comtes de Naffau
  
  Blz 60
  
  Histoire génealogique de la maison de Bethune:
  justifiée par chartes de diverses églises et abbayes, arrests du Parlement, titres paticuliers, epitaphes, chroniques et autres bonnes preuves
  
  André Du Chesne
  Chez Sebastien Cramoisy, 1639
  
  https://books.google.nl/books/about/Histoire_g%C3%A9nealogique_de_la_maison_de_B.html?hl=fr&id=YddDAAAAcAAJ&redir_esc=y

• He died after April 14, 1127.
• A child of Robert III de Béthune and ? ?

Household of Robert IV "le Gros" de Béthune

He is married to Adelise Nn.

They got married

Child(ren):

1. Guillaume I de Béthune  1090-1138 

Notes about Robert IV "le Gros" de Béthune

ROBERT [IV] [“le Gros”] de Béthune ([1050/65]-after 14 Apr 1127). The attribution of different nicknames to Robert [III] and Robert [IV] suggests that they were different people, although the chronology could support co-identity. If that is correct, no primary source has been identified which confirms that Robert [IV] was the son of Robert [III], but that affiliation is probably correct. His nickname is indicated by the undated charter which records that "Robertus Faisceuls" founded the church of Saint-Barthélemy, that after his death "Robertus filius suus" confirmed his father’s foundation, that "Robertus…Grossus pater Guillelmi" built three chapels in one of which "filium suum Robertum fratrem Guillelmi" was buried, that "Robertus Rufus nepos ipsius…et mater eius Clementia" donated property[199].

m ADELISE, daughter of ---. “Robertus...Betuniæ advocatus” settled a dispute with Corbie Saint-Pierre, for the souls of “...meæ...et uxoris meæ Adelisæ et filiorum”, by undated charter witnessed by “...De militibus: Ilbertus de Carenci et Robertus frater eius, Ioannes de Beuri, Hugo de Ballolio, Balduinus de Atrebato eiusdem advocati cognatus”[208]. Du Chesne indicates that she was Adelise de Péronne, daughter of Robert Seigneur de Péronne & his wife Emma ---[209]. Several sources confirm that Robert Seigneur de Péronne had a daughter named Adélise (see NORTHERN FRANCE NOBILITY). In addition, her husband was named Robert as shown by the charter dated 1095 under which “Robert Sire de Péronne et Aelis sa compagne” donated property to Mont Saint-Quentin abbey[210]. However, Du Chesne cites no source which confirms that Adelise’s husband was the same person as Robert [IV]. In particular, no source has been found in which Robert de Béthune is named as seigneur de Péronne, although Du Chesne does quote other sources in which the Béthune family refers to Warneston (one of the Péronne properties as noted above) and one source dated Jan 1199 at Péronne[211]. Until more information comes to light, it is suggested that this possible co-identity should be viewed with caution.

Robert [IV] & his wife had two children:
BAUDOUIN de Béthune (-1113 or after).
GUILLAUME [I] de Béthune ([1080/1095]-20 Mar 1138).

Bronnen:

[199] Miraeus (1723), Tome II, Supplement, Pars II, XXIII, p. 945.

[209] Duchesne (1639), p. 95.

[210] Duchesne (1639), Preuves, p. 13.

[211] Duchesne (1639) Béthune, Preuves, p. 80.

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