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Personal data Audrey Hoare 

Source 1Sources 2, 3

Household of Audrey Hoare

She is married to Thomas Harris.

They got married after 1621 at Virginia, Verenigde Staten.Source 2


Child(ren):

  1. Mary Harris  1625-< 1704 
  2. Robert Harris  1626-????
  3. William Harris  ± 1629-> 1678 


Notes about Audrey Hoare

[Jesse Macon Lawrence Jr]

first wife of Capt. Thomas Harris was Audrey Hoare, who was christened at St. Mary, Aylesbury, Buckingham in 1604 and arrived on the Marmaduke in 1621.

It had been speculated that Adria was daughter of Edward Gurganey, but she was one of the maidens who arrived on the MARMADUKE in November 1621.  There are two lists of maidens sent over to prospective husbands on that voyage. ; Both state that she was Audry Hoare, aged 19, born at Aylesbury, co. Bucks., her father being a shoemaker. (William Thorndale, "Maides for Virginia in 1621 as Described in the Ferrar Papers," THE VIRGINIA GENEALOGIST 39 [1995]:243-52, 250, 252; and Lyndon H. Hart,"  Some Clues to the Wives of Virginia Residents at the Time of the Muster," THE MAGAZINE OF VIRGINIA GENEALOGY 34 [1996]:51-54.)  Her age actually slightly exaggerated.  "Audrey the daughter of Thomas Hoare [was bp. at Aylesbury] the xxvth day of August" 1604.  Her father, Thomas Hoare, had married Julyan Tripplett at Aylesbury, 12 Feb. 1592/3.  The will of her father, Thomas Hoare, cordwainer, of Aylesbury, was dated 31 Jan. 1626/7 and proved 5 April 1627 (Archdeaconry Court of Buckingham, original wills, 1627, no. 89 [FHL film #88,557]).  The will includes the following important bequest:  'It'm I give to my daughter Awadrye xij d to be payde her when she doth demande it after my desease and allso to her daughter xij d'.  This proved that Audrey's daughter Mary, who married Thomas Ligon, was born by 1626 [giving enough time for Audrey's father to be cognizant of it in England], and that Mary was not daughter of Thomas Harris with his 2nd wife
Glenn Gohr (Harris-VA & Harris-UK-Essex list manager) 1/19/2003

She is listed as aged 19, born at Alesburie in Buckinghampshire.  Here parents are both living.  Her father was a shoemaker.  Her siblings incliude 2 sisters one of whom was Joane Childe, who sponsored her for the voyuage and lived in Blackfryers in lane near Catherine Wheel. She also has a brother Richard who is an apprentice to a fustian dresser.  Audrey Hoare could do plain work, black work, and make all types of buttons.  Her relations/kindred in London include a cousin Mr Thomas Beling/Bodding, a merchant and Mr George Blunden, an upholsterer in Cornwall. ....... a more reasonable explanation...is the first wife of Thomas Harris may have been an ancient planter but that she was not Adria.  Thomas harris is considerably older than Adria..giving him time to have had a prior wife, perhaps a Gurgany....register of St Marys Alyesbury was a Thomas Hoare who had:[bsp dates given]  John, Joan, Agnes, Elizabeth, Richard, Audrey bap 28 aug 1604. ; There is a marriage of Thomas Hoare to Julyan Tripplett on 12 feb 1592 in same parish. [
"Betty Harris" <(XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)]

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I just recently was approved as a member of the Jamestowne Society.  I had made application with Edward Gurganey as my qualifying ancestor. But the papers came back with notations that the there is doubt that Edward Gurganey had a daughter, Adria.  I was instead approved under Capt Thomas Harris, Burgess.  In fact the society's verifying genealogist, Lyndon Hart, had written an article dealing with the subject of Adia.  [see Mag. of Virginia  Gen., Vol 34 Winter 1996 No 1 P51ff].  Essentially it argued that Adry, wife of Thomas Harris, was actually Audry Hoare, a maiden who came to Virginia aboard the ship Marmaduke in August 1621.  She was born at Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, bp 28 Aug 1604.  Her parents were Thomas Hoare and Julyan Tripplett.  My genealogist, Paul Reed, has researched this further and says, "This is the ONLY Audry among the list of women to be transported to Virginia on the Marmaduke bound for Virginia in August 1621 [it arrived in November 1621].  Her age matches the age of Adria, wife of Thomas Harris."  He went on to conclude that Audry was actually one and the same as Adria.  Therefore, there is no direct connection with Edward Gurganey.  However, the land patent issued in feb 1638/39 to Thomas Harris still suggests that there was a connection between Gurganey and Harris or Hoare. ; Note, the key to this is that Gurganey and Hoare families were both in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.  And so was the Woodliffe family!  So it now is certain that Thomas Harris' wife was Adry aka Adria aka Audry Hoare. [not Gurganey as has long been believed].  We have several more leads to follow in Aylesbury.  We might also find more about the Harris line.
[Jim Hancock <(XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)]

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The death date of  "bef 11 Sep 1626" needs to be dropped.  That date is based on the old "witchcraft trial" story.  The source that is used to apply that story to Thomas Harris is generally listed as Adventures of Purse and Person.  Unfortunately, AP&P is a compilation of other works, and as a secondary source, is not sufficient to use as such. AP&P, published in 1956, copied the paragraph on the "witchcraft trial", word for word, from the Ligon Genealogy published in 1947.  It notes that in the first footnote in the article.  It even copied the sources, although it is obvious those sources were never checked.  The ultimate source of the trial is the Minutes of the Council of the General Court of Virginia, page 111.  Checking that source yields a completely different version of events, one that shows it occurred down in the Kecoughtan settlement and had nothing to do with Thomas Harris in Henrico.  The trial did indeed take place on 11 Sep 1626. It is another case, as with the "Joane Osborne" myth, of the Ligon Genealogy corrupting the Harris family history with deliberately made up "events".  With 11 Sep 1626 out of the way, the next available "factual" date in the Thomas Harris records is the 1635 land patent in which he acknowledges his current wife's name to be "Joane".  This means we know that by 1635, Audrey Hoare had died and Thomas Harris had remarried.  So that is all we know and all we can say about the death of Audrey Hoare - is that she was dead by 1635.

Most likely Audrey Hoare was the mother of BOTH children of Thomas Harris, Mary AND William.  The only reason it was ever stated that Joane was the mother of William was because of that bogus date of 11 Sep 1626.  Again, it was the Ligon Genealogy that seems to have first made that statement.  The birth year of William Harris is unknown but thought to be about 1629.  In 1629, Audrey Hoare would be age 27. Joane Vincent was age 47.  Due to the record references of the "land of William Vincent, deceased" appearing in the years from 1635 to 1639, it would seem William Vincent probably died closer to 1635 than to 1625.  The evidence we have available seems to be more compelling to believe that Audrey Hoare died sometime after the birth of William Harris but before 1635.

It has been stated before that the will of Thomas Harris states that Joane was the mother of William.  The will of Thomas Harris has never been located and is thought to have been included in the records of the General Court of Virginia destroyed in 1865.  Papers dealing with docking the entails in 1735 were found in the British Colonial Records Office.  These papers REFER to a will written in 1649, but a transcript of the papers reveal that they only say what we already know from the land patent record, that 200 acres of Longfield passed to Mary Harris Ligon at the death of Thomas Harris.  No one would have any way of knowing what else the will might have stated.

I hope this will help add to the body of knowledge on Audrey Hoare.
[James P. Harris" <(XXXXX@XXXX.XXX), 4 /1/2002]

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Note:  Data below not proven but another opinion

According to a transcription of the actual ship's manifest for the "Marmaduke" ADRIA HARRIS Nov 1621 voyage was the passenger, age 23 at muster, wife of THOMAS HARRIS who arrived on the "Prosperous". Clearly they were married in England, and NOT in Virginia.  This coupled with the fact that ANNE CHAPMAN GURGANEY left 400 acres of land to THOMAS HARRIS in her will makes me firmly believe that the wife of THOMAS HARRIS was ADRIA GURGANEY and not ADRIA HOARE, who supposedly arrived in Virginia unmarried.
Betty Tartas
Email: (XXXXX@XXXX.XXX)
URL: <http://www.packrat-pro.com/ships/marmaduke.htm>

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[Donna Warner Lehman]
[J. Phillip Harris]

From: J. Phillip Harris
Sent: Wednesday, March 27, 2002

There was no such person as Adria Gurgaynie - or Joane Gurgaynie either.  The first wife of Thomas Harris was listed as "Adry" in a 1638 land patent.  Since Thomas Harris inherited the Edward Gurgaynie property (adjacent to the Harris property) from widow Anne Gurgaynie when she died in 1619, some well intentioned Harris descendant speculated way back there that "Adry" must have been the Gurgaynie daughter.  Somehow that idea stuck, got written into countless genealogies, sometimes by really prominent people who should have known better, but it was always fiction.  There is not a shred of record evidence to indicate the existence of such a person.  One thing that should have caused someone to question it was that Anne Gurgaynie died in 1619 and the person named "Adry" didn't get here until 1621.

To make a long story short, it was determined that the only real person that actually came over on the Marmaduke in 1621 that could be "Adry" was Audrey Hoare.  There are actual parish records from Aylesbury, Buckingham documenting her family.

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[Donna Warner Lehman]
[Jim Hancock]

From Jim Hancock, a Harris researcher, we have the following information:

Lyndon Hart, genealogist for the Jamestowne Society wrote an article dealing with the subject of Adria.  [see Mag. of Virginia Gen., Vol 34 Winter 1996 No 1 P51ff].  Essentially it argued that Adry, wife of Thomas Harris, was actually Audry Hoare, a maiden who came to Virginia aboard the ship Marmaduke in August 1621.  She was born at Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, bp 28 Aug 1604.  Her parents were Thomas Hoare and Julyan Tripplett.  Genealogist, Paul Reed, has researched this further and says, "This is the ONLY Audry among the list of women to be transported to Virginia on the Marmaduke bound for Virginia in August 1621 [it arrived in November 1621].  Her age matches the age of Adria, wife of Thomas Harris."  He went on to conclude that Audry was actually one and the same as Adria.  Therefore, there is no direct connection with Edward Gurganey.  However, the land patent issued in feb 1638/39 to Thomas Harris still suggests that there was a connection between Gurganey and Harris or Hoare. ; Note, the key to this is that Gurganey and Hoare families were both in Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire.  And so was the Woodliffe family!  So it now is certain that Thomas Harris' wife was Adry aka Adria aka Audry Hoare. [not Gurganey as has long been believed].  We have several more leads to follow in Aylesbury.  We might also find more about the Harris line.

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The death date for Audrey (Adria) Harris of "bef 11 Sep 1626" needs to be dropped.  That date is based on the old "witchcraft trial" story. The source that is used to apply that story to Thomas Harris is generally listed as Adventures of Purse and Person.  Unfortunately, AP&P is a compilation of other works, and as a secondary source, is not sufficient to use as such.  AP&P, published in 1956, copied the paragraph on the "witchcraft trial", word for word, from the Ligon Genealogy published in 1947.  It notes that in the first footnote in the article.  It even copied the sources, although it is obvious those sources were never checked.  The ultimate source of the trial is the Minutes of the Council of the General Court of Virginia, page 111. Checking that source yields a completely different version of events, one that shows it occurred down in the Kecoughtan settlement and had nothing to do with Thomas Harris in Henrico.  The trial did indeed take place on 11 Sep 1626.  It is another case, as with the "Joane Osborne" myth, of the Ligon Genealogy corrupting the Harris family history with deliberately made up "events".  With 11 Sep 1626 out of the way, the next available "factual" date in the Thomas Harris records is the 1635 land patent in which he acknowledges his current wife's name to be "Joane".  This means we know that by 1635, Audrey Hoare had died and Thomas Harris had remarried. ; So that is all we know and all we can say about the death of Audrey Hoare - is that she was dead by 1635.

Most likely Audrey Hoare was the mother of BOTH children of Thomas Harris, Mary AND William.  The only reason it was ever stated that Joane was the mother of William was because of that bogus date of 11 Sep 1626.  Again, it was the Ligon Genealogy that seems to have first made that statement.  The birth year of William Harris is unknown but thought to be about 1629.  In 1629, Audrey Hoare would be age 27. Joane Vincent was age 47.  Due to the record references of the "land of William Vincent, deceased" appearing in the years from 1635 to 1639, it would seem William Vincent probably died closer to 1635 than to 1625. The evidence we have available seems to be more compelling to believe that Audrey Hoare died sometime after the birth of William Harris but before 1635.

It has been stated before that the will of Thomas Harris states that Joane was the mother of William.  The will of Thomas Harris has never been located and is thought to have been included in the records of the General Court of Virginia destroyed in 1865.  Papers dealing with docking the entails in 1735 were found in the British Colonial Records Office.  These papers REFER to a will written in 1649, but a transcript of the papers reveal that they only say what we already know from the land patent record, that 200 acres of Longfield passed to Mary Harris Ligon at the death of Thomas Harris.  No one would have any way of knowing what else the will might have stated.

Edward Gurgaynie was from Long Crendon (fact).  He did not have to be old enough to be the father of Thomas Harris's wife since he really wasn't.  As shown by existing parish records, he was basically only four years older than Thomas Harris.  If Thomas Harris was from Aylesbury as we now think, then most likely Anne Gurgaynie left Thomas Harris the property because she was directly related to him, such as being his sister or cousin.  This is what we have to now prove.  It's still just speculation until we prove it by finding a real record somewhere.

There was no Edward Gurgaynie in Creeksea, Essex (fiction).  Again, there are countless submissions on FamilySearch, Ancestry.Com, Rootsweb, FTM World Family Tree, the list goes on, that say he is from all sorts of places in Essex. They are not worth the time to even look at them.  The only REAL records are the ones on FamilySearch under the International Genealogical Index page.  And then, the only ones even there that are any good are the Extracted Parish Records.  These are the batch records that are prefixed with a letter such as "C" for christenings and "M" for marriages.  If it doesn't have a prefixed letter, then it's just a submission - probably by someone who has no idea what they are doing.  I caution you, if you are going to use the IGI, rely ONLY on the Extracted Parish Records.  Consider everything else to be extremely suspect.

As far as Thomas Harris being a son of Sir William Harris of Creeksea, that was actually disproved as long ago as 1910 but again, people just keep copying the same old misinformation.  You will still find it written that way in a thousand different places.  Until the recent turn towards Aylesbury, Buckingham, everyone was still trying to find Thomas Harris among the Essex Harrises, but obviously you can't find someone who isn't there.  Now that we finally have people starting to look in someplace different, and one that shows promise based on facts and not fiction, I think we will soon have some success.

The reference to Thomas Osborne and the fictitious daughter Joane Osborne, was made years ago by a Ligon researcher doing the Thomas Harris thing.  It quickly caught on.  She quickly retracted it, saying she just made up something to fill the need.  Too late.  The retraction didn't catch on.

As stated above, the second wife of Thomas Harris was Joane Vincent, the widow of his adjacent neighbor William Vincent.  They too were probably from Aylesbury.

As for there being a son named Edward Gurgaynie, the only thing I know you could base this on is the patent in 1645 (not 1648) that refers to the land of Edward "Gurgunye". ; Since a number of the other names referred to in that patent are already dead, I always felt they were referring to the parcel willed to Thomas Harris.  It was common to refer to a piece of land by its original owner's name long after he was dead, particularly if it was currently held by someone who had many different parcels like Thomas Harris did in 1645.  It was the only way they could continue to identify a specific parcel.  My take has always been that Edward and Anne Gurgaynie had no children, which is why they willed the land to Thomas Harris.

The only fact based Gurgaynie family that I know of is the one in Long Crendon.  Given all the Aylesbury, Buckingham connections, I feel pretty certain it's the same family in Henrico in the years 1608 to 1619.

Phil Harris

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[Donna Warner Lehman]

VIRGINIA GENEALOGY 34 [1996]:51-54.) Her age actually slightly exaggerated.
"Audrey the daughter of Thomas Hoare [was bp. at Aylesbury] the xxvth day of August" 1604.  Thomas Hoare, had married Julyan Tripplett at Aylesbury, 12 Feb. 1592/3.

The will of her father, Thomas Hoare, cordwainer, of Aylesbury, was dated 31 Jan. 1626/7 and proved 5 April 1627 (Archdeaconry Court of Buckingham, original wills, 1627, no. 89 [FHL film #88,557]).

The will includes the following important bequest: 'It'm I give to my daughter Awadrye xij d to be payde her when she doth demande it after my desease and allso to her daughter xij d'.

This proved that Audrey's daughter Mary, who married Thomas Ligon, was born by 1626 [giving enough time for Audrey's father to be cognizant of it in England], and that Mary was not daughter of Thomas Harris with his 2nd wife (see Meyer and Dorman, ADVENTURERS OF PURSE AND PERSON, 354-56)."

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[Donna Warner Lehman]

Adria, first wife of Capt. Thomas HARRIS of early Virginia, was bap on 28 Aug 1604 in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, England, to parents Thomas HOARE and Julyann TRIPPLETT. ; Adria HOARE arrived in Virginia in 1621 aboard the Marmaduke.

Notes: It?s been proven that Adria was not GURGANEY, daughter of Edward and Ann.

In November 1621 the ship Marmaduke arrived at Jamestown, accompanied by the Warwick and Tyger.  Among the Marmaduke's passengers were "one widow and eleven maids" who had been sent over to provide wives for the male settlers.  The records of the Virginia Company included a description of each maid.  Here is number 10 on the Marmaduke:

Audry Hoare Mayd aged 19: borne att Alesburie in Buckenham sheir, her ffather and Mother are alive, her father a shoemaker, She hath two Sisters one wherof whose name is Joane Childe, dwellinge in the Blackfryers downe in the Lane neer Catherne wheel Shee had a Brother Called Richard Apprentice to a fustian dresser, Shee can doe plaine work and black works and can make all manner of buttons; One Mr Thomas Beling a merchant is her first Cosen and one Mr George Blunden an upholsterer in Cornwall.

By this description, a picture of Audry's family emerges of middle-class tradesmen rather than 'landed gentry'. ; Her father was a shoemaker and at least one brother made cloth.

Audrey married Thomas HARRIS shortly after her arrival.  It seems more likely that they did not know each other before her arrival, though at least one researcher speculates the HARRIS, HOARE, GURGENY, WOODLIEF, DRURY families all knew each other in the area of Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire.  If so, when Thomas HARRIS left for Virginia in 1611 (and likely left Buckingham earlier to prepare and get to the coast), Adria HOARE was only seven years old.  It is doubtful he thought of her as a future wife.

About 1623, the Margaret & John landed at Jamestown. ; Onboard were children who were vagrants of London. ; Among them was the ten-year-old Elizabeth.  Upon arriving in Jamestown, Elizabeth was indentured to Thomas and Audrey Harris for £10.  Elizabeth was to remain with the Harrises until she turned twenty-one, or married.  Upon her release, Elizabeth was to receive fifty acres of land.

The other young girl who was living with the HARRIS?s in the two musters was named Anne WOODLASE (or WOODLEFFE). ; It is known that Anne Woodliffe was related in some way to the Harrises.  Anne's grandfather Drew Woodliffe was of Aylesbury and Peterly, Buckinghamshire, Aylesbury being the same place Audrey had grown up.  A John Hoare swore a deposition on 4 April 1632.  It might be possible that Anne Woodliffe?s mother was a sister of this John Hoare.

In 1625, a census was made of all the non-Indian inhabitants of Virginia.  This tally showed that Thomas, Audrey, Anne Woodliffe, and the servant Elizabeth were living at the Neck of Land.  The census further reported that the Harrises had 7-1/2 bushels of corn, one bushel of peas, eleven pounds of gunpowder, two pounds of lead, three fixed pieces, one piece of armor, one coat of mail, one sword, eleven cattle, thirty poultry, two houses, and one boat.  The census did not record that Audrey was with child at the time, but soon thereafter, daughter Mary was born.

Back in England, shortly after learning of the birth of his granddaughter, Audrey's? father composed his will. ; The will of Thomas Hoare, cordwainer, of Aylesbury, was dated 31 January 1626/7 and was proved 5 April 1627.  The will included the following bequest: ?It?m I give to my daughter Awadrye xij d to be payde her when she doth demande it after my desease and allso to her daughter xij d.?

Research:
Another large clan of HOARE lived in Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, SE of Aylesbury and next to Prestwood.

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Ancestors (and descendant) of Audrey Hoare

William Hoare
± 1535-????
Ursula Edmonds
± 1545-????
John Tripplett
± 1546-????
Thomas Hoare
± 1570-< 1627
Julyan Tripplett
± 1570-> 1627

Audrey Hoare
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Thomas Harris
1585-1658

Mary Harris
1625-< 1704
Robert Harris
1626-????
William Harris
± 1629-> 1678

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