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Personal data John Say Knight, MP, PC, Speaker of the House of Commons
- He was born about 1430 in Sawridge, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England.
- He died about April 2, 1478 in Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England.
- A child of John II de Say and Maud de Saye (Broxbourne)
- This information was last updated on March 23, 2024.
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He is married to Elizabeth Say (Cheney).
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Notes about John Say Knight, MP, PC, Speaker of the House of Commons
Sir John Say, MP, Speaker of the House of Commons‰ÂÂ
Gender:
Male
Birth:
circa 1430
Sawridge, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Death:
April 12, 1478‰Â (43-52)
Sawbridgeworth, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Place of Burial:
St. Bartholomew the Less, Smithfield, London, Greater London, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Son of‰Â John de Say, II‰Â and‰Â Maud de Saye (Broxbourne)
Husband of‰Â Elizabeth Cheney, Lady Say
Father of‰Â Thomas Saye;‰Â Sir William Say, Kt.;‰Â Elizabeth Sampson (Say);‰Â Lady Anne Wentworth (Say), Baroness Despencer;‰Â Mary Calthorpe (de Saye);‰Â Katherine Bassingbourne (de Saye)‰Â and‰Â Elizabeth de Saye‰ÂÂ
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Sir John Say, Kt. (died 12 April 1478) of Baas (Broxbourne), Little Berkhamsted, Sawbridgeworth (Hertfordshire) and Lawford (Essex) was King's Serjeant, Coroner of the Marshalsea, Yeoman of The Chamber & Crown, Keeper of Westminster Palace, Squire of The Body, Keeper of the Great Wardrobe, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster, Privy Councillor, Under-Treasurer of England, Knight of the Shire for counties Cambridge and Hertford, and Speaker of the House of Commons.
Marriage
He married before 1449, Elizabeth, daughter of Laurence Cheney (or Cheyne) of Cambridgeshire. She died on 2 September 1473, aged 51, predeceasing her husband by five years.
Death
Sir John and Lady Elizabeth Say are buried together at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire. They were survived by seven of their eight children (three sons and four daughters). Sir John Say was an ancestor of Jane Seymour, third wife of King Henry VIII.
References
"The Visitation of Suffolk 1561", part 1, made by William Hervey, Clarenceux King of Arms, and edited by Joan Corder, FSA (Harleian Society, London; 1981), p. 166
"The Magna Charta Sureties, 1215" by Frederick Lewis Weis, et al., 5th edition, Baltimore, Maryland (2002), p. 47
"Plantagenet Ancestry" by Douglas Richardson, Baltimore, Maryland (2004), pp. 207, 381
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Elizabeth Cheney (1422·Ãì1473)
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Shortly before 1 December 1446, Elizabeth Cheney married secondly to Sir John Say of Broxbourne, Speaker of the House of Commons, and a member of the household of King Henry VI. He was a member of the embassy, led by William de la Pole, which was sent to France in 1444 to negotiate with King Charles VII for the marriage between King Henry and Margaret of Anjou.[5]
Her father settled land worth fifty marks clear per annum upon the couple and their issue before Candlemas 1453.[6] They made their home at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.
Together Sir John and Elizabeth had three sons and five daughters:
Sir William Say (1452- 1529), Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset (1478-79), Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (1482-83), married secondly Elizabeth Fray, widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave, by whom he had two daughters, Mary Say and Elizabeth Say. [7] Mary, the eldest daughter married Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex and 6th Baron Bourchier, by whom she had one daughter, Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier
Thomas Say
Rev. Leonard Say, a Roman Catholic priest
Anne Say (died 1478/1494), married Henry Wentworth, Sheriff of Yorkshire, by whom she had issue, including Margaret Wentworth, mother of Jane Seymour.
Mary Say, married Sir Philip Calthorpe, by whom she had issue.
Elizabeth Say, married Thomas Sampson
Katherine Say, married Thomas Bassingbourne
Unnamed daughter, died young
Following her death, John Say remarried to Agnes Danvers. He died five years later on 12 April 1478.
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Sir John Say was the son of John Say and Maud N. He died circa 1478.
Sir John Say lived at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England.
Child of Sir John Say and Elizabeth Cheney
1.Anne Say+1 d. b 22 Oct 1494
Citations
1.[S6] G.E. Cokayne; with Vicary Gibbs, H.A. Doubleday, Geoffrey H. White, Duncan Warrand and Lord Howard de Walden, editors, The Complete Peerage of England, Scotland, Ireland, Great Britain and the United Kingdom, Extant, Extinct or Dormant, new ed., 13 volumes in 14 (1910-1959; reprint in 6 volumes, Gloucester, U.K.: Alan Sutton Publishing, 2000), volume II, page 16. Hereinafter cited as The Complete Peerage.
Sir John Fray1
M, #211540, b. 1419, d. 1461
Last Edited=8 Jan 2008
Sir John Fray was born in 1419.1 He married Agnes Danvers, daughter of John Danvers.2 He died in 1461.
Sir John Fray held the office of Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer.2
Children of Sir John Fray and Agnes Danvers
* Elizabeth Fray+ 1
* Catherine Fray+ 1
Sir John Fray (d. 1461) was a lawyer who served as as Lord Chief Baron of the Exchequer and had considerable experience of rivers and watermills.
Fray had the commission for maintaining the navigation of the River Lea around the years 1430-1440. He owned watermills in Essex and interests in other property across the country. These included Cowley Hall in Hillingdon which adjoined the Frays River. The Frays River is a branch of the River Colne which may have been developed to feed watermills in the area. It is said that John Fray arranged for the cutting of a link from the Colne to a tributary rising in Harefield to increase the water volume. .[1]
He was also second husband of Agnes Danvers, and the grandfather of Sir William Waldegrave.
[edit] References
1. ^ London Borough of Hillingdon - River Frays
Citations
1. [S1916] Tim Boyle, "re: Boyle Family," e-mail message from(unknown address) to Darryl Roger Lundy, 16 September 2006. Hereinafter cited as "re: Boyle Family".
2. [S170] James Alexander Manning, The Lives of the Speakers of the House of Commons (London, U.K.: E. Churton, 1850), page 10-12. Hereinafter cited as Lives of the Speakers of the House of Commons.
Speaker of the House of Commons, Trained as lawyer, Kings Sergeant, Coroner of the Marshalsea, Yeoman of the Chamber & Crown, Keeper of the Westminster Palace, Squire of the Body, Privy of the Councillor.
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