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Persönliche Daten Elizabeth Say (Cheney) Lady Say
Quellen 1, 2Quellen 3, 4, 5, 6, 7- Sie ist geboren im Jahr 1420 in Fen, Cambridgeshire, England.Quelle 3
Pass auf: War älter als 60 Jahre (358), als Kind (Rachael Tilney) geboren wurde (25. Dezember 1778). Pass auf: War älter als 60 Jahre (356), als Kind (William Tilney) geboren wurde (2. September 1776). - Alternative: Sie ist geboren im Jahr 1424 in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire.Quellen 3, 7
- Alternative: Sie ist geboren in Fen Ditton.Quelle 6
- Alternative: Sie ist geboren rund April 1420 in Of, Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England.
- Sie ist verstorben am 25. September 1473 in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England, sie war 53 Jahre alt.Quelle 3
Pass auf: War bereits bei der Geburt (25. Dezember 1778) des Kindes (Rachael Tilney) verstorben (25. September 1473). Pass auf: War bereits bei der Geburt (2. September 1776) des Kindes (William Tilney) verstorben (25. September 1473). - Alternative: Sie ist verstorben am 15. September 1473 in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, sie war 53 Jahre alt.Quellen 3, 7
- Alternative: Sie ist verstorben im Jahr 1473, sie war 53 Jahre alt.Quelle 6
- Alternative: Sie ist verstorben am 25. September 1473 in Broxbourne St. Augustines, Hertfordshire, England, sie war 53 Jahre alt.
- Sie wurde begraben in Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England.Quelle 7
- Alternative: Sie wurde begraben in St. Augustine's Church, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England.
- Ein Kind von Lawrence Cheney und Elizabeth Cheney (Cokayne)
- Diese Information wurde zuletzt aktualisiert am 23. März 2024.
Familie von Elizabeth Say (Cheney) Lady Say
(1) Sie ist verheiratet mit Frederick Tilney.
Marriage
Date: 1447
Place: Assington, Suffolk, , England
Marriage
Date: 1463
Place: England
Marriage
Place: Assington, Suffolk, , England
Marriage
Date: 1458
Place: Assington, Suffolk, , England
Marriage
Date: 1447
Place: Assington,,Suffolk,England
Marriage
Date: abt 1430
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1440
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: Abt. 1443
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1447
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1458
Place: Assington, Suffolk, , England
Marriage
Date: 1450
Sie haben geheiratet im Jahr 1443 in Assington, Suffolk, England, sie war 23 Jahre alt.
Kind(er):
- Philip Tilney ± 1441-????
- Agnes Tilney 1450-1525
- Philip Tilney 1451-????
- Alice Tilney 1456-????
- Hugh Tylney 1458-????
- William Tilney 1776-????
- Rachael Tilney 1778-????
(2) Sie ist verheiratet mit Henry Barley.
Sie haben geheiratet im Jahr 1446 in Fen, Cambridgeshire, England, sie war 26 Jahre alt.
(3) Sie ist verheiratet mit John Broxbourne DeSay tm.
Marriage
Date: 1430
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1437
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1440
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1444
Place: Assington, Suffolk, England
Marriage
Date: 1447
Marriage
Date: 1453
Marriage
Date: 1450
Place: Ashwellthorpe,,Norfolk,England
Marriage
Date: 1458
Place: Assington, Suffolk, , England
Marriage
Date: 25 Sep 1473
Place: Ware, Hertfordshire, England
Sie haben geheiratet in Assington, Suffolk, England.
Kind(er):
- Anne de Saye 1448-1478
- Thomas Say 1450-1480
- William de Say 1452-1529
- Elizabeth Say 1453-1478
- Leonard Say ± 1460-????
- Katherine Say 1461-1509
- Mary Say 1464-1501
- Thomas de Saye 1466-????
(4) Sie ist verheiratet mit John Say.
Sie haben geheiratet.
Kind(er):
Notizen bei Elizabeth Say (Cheney) Lady Say
Elizabeth Cheney‰ÂÂ
Gender:
Female‰ÂÂ
Birth:
April 1420
Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England (United Kingdom)
Death:
September 25, 1473‰Â (53)
Broxbourne St. Augustines, Hertfordshire, England (United Kingdom)
Place of Burial:
St. Augustine's Church, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Daughter of‰Â Sir Lawrence Cheney, Escheator of Bedford & Buckingham‰Â and‰Â Elizabeth Cheney (Cokayne)
Wife of‰Â Sir Frederick Tylney‰ÂÂ
and‰Â Sir John Say, Knight, MP, PC
Children:
1. Elizabeth Tilney, Countess of Surrey
2. William Tilney;
3. Alice Tilney
4. Hugh Tilney
5. Sir Fredrick Tilney, Jr.
6. Sir William Say, Kt.
7. Lady Anne Wentworth
8. Mary Calthorpe
9. Katherine Bassingbourne
10. Thomas Saye
11. Elizabeth de Saye
Sister of Anne Cheney; Lawrence Cheney, Jr.; Sir John Cheyne, Kt.; Catherine Cheney and Mary Ellen Cheney
Half sister of Edward Boteler and Philip Boteler, Esq.
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Elizabeth Cheney, Lady Say is your 19th great grandmother.
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her father‰Â ·ÃÉ Elizabeth Savage (Darcy)
his mother‰Â ·ÃÉ Thomas Darcy, 1st Earl Rivers
her father‰Â ·ÃÉ John Darcy, 2nd Baron Darcy of Chinche
his father‰Â ·ÃÉ Thomas Darcy, 1st Baron Darcy of Chinche
his father‰Â ·ÃÉ Elizabeth Bourchier (Wentworth)
his mother‰Â ·ÃÉ Lady Anne Wentworth (Say), Baroness Despencer
her mother‰Â ·ÃÉ Elizabeth Cheney, Lady Say
her mother
Elizabeth Cheney
Gender:
Female
Birth:
April 1420
Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, England, (Present UK)
Death:
September 25, 1473 (53)
Broxbourne St. Augustines, Hertfordshire, England, (Present UK)
Place of Burial:
St. Augustine's Church, Broxbourne, Hertfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Immediate Family:
Daughter of Sir Lawrence Cheney, Escheator of Bedford & Buckingham and Elizabeth Cokayne
Wife of Sir Frederick Tylney and Sir John Say, Kt.
Mother of Elizabeth Tilney, Countess of Surrey; Sir William Say, Kt.; Lady Anne Wentworth; Mary Calthorpe; Katherine Bassingbourne; Thomas Saye and Elizabeth de Saye ¬´ less
Sister of Anne Cheney; Lawrence Cheney, Jr.; Sir John Cheyne, Kt.; Catherine Cheney and Mary Ellen Cheney
Half sister of Edward Boteler and Philip Boteler, Esq.
From the English language Wikipedia page on Elizabeth Cheney (1422-1473)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cheney,_Lady_Say
Elizabeth Cheney (1422 ·Ãì 25 September 1473), later known as Elizabeth, Lady Tilney and Elizabeth, Lady Say, was an English aristocrat, who, by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England. Her first husband was Sir Frederick Tilney, and her second husband was Sir John Say, Speaker of the House of Commons. She produced a total of nine children from both marriages.
Family
Born in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, in 1422, she was the eldest child of Sir Laurence Cheney, Sheriff of Cambridge and Elizabeth Cockayne[1] [She had three younger sisters, [Anne, wife of John Appleyard - NO] Mary, wife of John Allington; [Catherine, wife of Henry Barley - NO] and one brother, Sir John Cheney who married Elizabeth Rempston, by whom he had issue.[2] She also had two half-brothers by her mother's first marriage to Sir Philip Butler, a member of the noble Irish family, the Butlers of Ormond.
Her paternal grandparents were Sir William Cheney and Catherine Pabenham. Her maternal grandparents were Sir John Cockayne, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Ida de Grey, the daughter of Reginald Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthyn and Eleanor Le Strange of Blackmere.[3]
Marriages and children
On an unknown date, Elizabeth married her first husband Sir Frederick Tilney, of Ashwellthorpe, Norfolk, and Boston, Lincolnshire. He was the son of Sir Philip Tilney and Isabel Thorpe. They made their principal residence at Ashwellthorpe Manor.[4] Together Sir Frederick and Elizabeth had one daughter:
1. Elizabeth Tilney (before 1445- 4 April 1497), married firstly in about 1466, Sir Humphrey Bourchier, by whom she had three children; and secondly on 30 April 1472, Thomas Howard, Earl of Surrey, who would later become the 2nd Duke of Norfolk, by whom she had nine children. These children included Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk, Elizabeth Howard, mother of Anne Boleyn, and Lord Edmund Howard, father of Catherine Howard.
Sir Frederick died in 1445, leaving their young daughter Elizabeth as heiress to his estates. Shortly before 1 December 1446, Elizabeth Cheney married secondly to Sir John Say of Broxbourne, Speaker of the House of Commons, and a member of the household of King Henry VI. He was a member of the embassy, led by William de la Pole, which was sent to France in 1444 to negotiate with King Charles VII for the marriage between King Henry and Margaret of Anjou.[5]
Her father settled land worth 50 marks clear per annum upon the couple and their issue before Candlemas 1453.[6] They made their home at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.
Together Sir John and Elizabeth had three sons and five daughters:
1. Sir William Say (1452- 1529), Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset (1478-79), Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (1482-83), married secondly Elizabeth Fray, widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave, by whom he had two daughters, Mary Say and Elizabeth Say. [7] Mary, the eldest daughter married Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex and 6th Baron Bourchier, by whom she had one daughter, Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier
2. Thomas Say
3. Rev. Leonard Say, a Roman Catholic priest
4. Anne Say (died 1478/1494), married Henry Wentworth, Sheriff of Yorkshire, by whom she had issue, including Margaret Wentworth, mother of Jane Seymour.
5. Mary Say, married Sir Philip Calthorpe, by whom she had issue.
6. Elizabeth Say, married Thomas Sampson
7. Katherine Say, married Thomas Bassingbourne
8. Unnamed daughter, died young
Death
On 25 September 1473, aged 51, Elizabeth Cheney died. She was buried in the church at Broxbourne.
Following her death, John Say remarried to Agnes Danvers. He died five years later on 12 April 1478. Sometime after 1478, Elizabeth's eldest son, Sir William Say, married his second wife, Elizabeth Fray, a daughter of his stepmother Agnes, by her first husband, Sir John Fray (1419- 1461), Chief Baron of the Exchequer.[8]
Ancestry
Sources
John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, Vol.2, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
References
1. ^ The Peerage website
2. ^ Tudorplace.com genealogy site/information
3. ^ Ida Ashworth Taylor, Lady Jane Grey and Her Times, p. 8, Google Books, accessed 3 September 2009
4. ^ The Peerage website
5. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 155, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
6. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 156, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
7. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, pp. 170-71, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
8. ^ John Smith Roswell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 170, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
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From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Elizabeth Cheney:
http://thepeerage.com/p335.htm#i3342
Elizabeth Cheney is the daughter of Sir Lawrence Cheney and Elizabeth Cokayn.
Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir John Say
1. Anne Say+ d. b 22 Oct 1494
Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir Frederick Tylney
1. Elizabeth Tylney+ b. 1447, d. 4 Apr 1497
Children: 1. Elizabeth TYLNEY, Countess of Surrey b: 1446 in Surrey, England
Ancestor of both Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Anne Boleyn.
"...by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England, thus making her great-great-grandmother to King Edward VI, the son of Henry VIII and Jane Seymour, and Elizabeth I, the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn."
Elizabeth's brother---Sir John Cheney, and his wife Elizabeth Rempston---are direct ancestors of former Vice-President Richard Cheney.
Plantagenet Ancestry: A Study In Colonial And Medieval Families, 2nd Edition ... page 526. <‰Â GoogleBooks‰Â > Laurence Cheyne (or Cheney) married Elizabeth Cockayne, widow of Philip le Boteler. 1 son, John; 2 daughters, Elizabeth and Mary (wife of John Allington).
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From the English language Wikipedia page on Elizabeth Cheney (1422-1473)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Cheney,_Lady_Say
Elizabeth Cheney (1422 ·Ãì 25 September 1473), later known as Elizabeth, Lady Tilney and Elizabeth, Lady Say, was an English aristocrat, who, by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England. Her first husband was Sir Frederick Tilney, and her second husband was Sir John Say, Speaker of the House of Commons. She produced a total of nine children from both marriages.
Family
Born in Fen Ditton, Cambridgeshire, in 1422, she was the eldest child of Sir Laurence Cheney, Sheriff of Cambridge and Elizabeth Cockayne[1] She had three younger sisters, Anne, wife of John Appleyard; Mary, wife of John Allington; Catherine, wife of Henry Barley, and one brother, Sir John Cheney who married Elizabeth Rempston, by whom he had issue.[2] She also had two half-brothers by her mother's first marriage to Sir Philip Butler, a member of the noble Irish family, the Butlers of Ormond.
Her paternal grandparents were Sir William Cheney and Catherine Pabenham. Her maternal grandparents were Sir John Cockayne, Chief Baron of the Exchequer and Ida de Grey, the daughter of Reginald Grey, 2nd Baron Grey de Ruthyn and Eleanor Le Strange of Blackmere.[3]
Marriages and children
On an unknown date, Elizabeth married her first husband Sir Frederick Tilney, of Ashwellthorpe, Norfolk, and Boston, Lincolnshire. He was the son of Sir Philip Tilney and Isabel Thorpe. They made their principal residence at Ashwellthorpe Manor.[4] Together Sir Frederick and Elizabeth had one daughter:
1. Elizabeth Tilney (before 1445- 4 April 1497), married firstly in about 1466, Sir Humphrey Bourchier, by whom she had three children; and secondly on 30 April 1472, Thomas Howard, Earl of Surrey, who would later become the 2nd Duke of Norfolk, by whom she had nine children. These children included Thomas Howard, 3rd Duke of Norfolk, Elizabeth Howard, mother of Anne Boleyn, and Lord Edmund Howard, father of Catherine Howard.
Sir Frederick died in 1445, leaving their young daughter Elizabeth as heiress to his estates. Shortly before 1 December 1446, Elizabeth Cheney married secondly to Sir John Say of Broxbourne, Speaker of the House of Commons, and a member of the household of King Henry VI. He was a member of the embassy, led by William de la Pole, which was sent to France in 1444 to negotiate with King Charles VII for the marriage between King Henry and Margaret of Anjou.[5]
Her father settled land worth 50 marks clear per annum upon the couple and their issue before Candlemas 1453.[6] They made their home at Broxbourne, Hertfordshire.
Together Sir John and Elizabeth had three sons and five daughters:
1. Sir William Say (1452- 1529), Sheriff of Somerset and Dorset (1478-79), Sheriff of Essex and Hertfordshire (1482-83), married secondly Elizabeth Fray, widow of Sir Thomas Waldegrave, by whom he had two daughters, Mary Say and Elizabeth Say. [7] Mary, the eldest daughter married Henry Bourchier, 1st Earl of Essex and 6th Baron Bourchier, by whom she had one daughter, Anne Bourchier, 7th Baroness Bourchier
2. Thomas Say
3. Rev. Leonard Say, a Roman Catholic priest
4. Anne Say (died 1478/1494), married Henry Wentworth, Sheriff of Yorkshire, by whom she had issue, including Margaret Wentworth, mother of Jane Seymour.
5. Mary Say, married Sir Philip Calthorpe, by whom she had issue.
6. Elizabeth Say, married Thomas Sampson
7. Katherine Say, married Thomas Bassingbourne
8. Unnamed daughter, died young
Death
On 25 September 1473, aged 51, Elizabeth Cheney died. She was buried in the church at Broxbourne.
Following her death, John Say remarried to Agnes Danvers. He died five years later on 12 April 1478. Sometime after 1478, Elizabeth's eldest son, Sir William Say, married his second wife, Elizabeth Fray, a daughter of his stepmother Agnes, by her first husband, Sir John Fray (1419- 1461), Chief Baron of the Exchequer.[8]
Ancestry
Sources
John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, Vol.2, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
References
1. ^ The Peerage website
2. ^ Tudorplace.com genealogy site/information
3. ^ Ida Ashworth Taylor, Lady Jane Grey and Her Times, p. 8, Google Books, accessed 3 September 2009
4. ^ The Peerage website
5. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 155, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
6. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 156, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
7. ^ John Smith Roskell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, pp. 170-71, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
8. ^ John Smith Roswell, Parliament and Politics in Late Medieval England, volume 2, p. 170, Google Books, accessed 9 September 2009
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From Darryl Lundy's Peerage page on Elizabeth Cheney:
http://thepeerage.com/p335.htm#i3342
Elizabeth Cheney is the daughter of Sir Lawrence Cheney and Elizabeth Cokayn.
Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir John Say
1. Anne Say+ d. b 22 Oct 1494
Child of Elizabeth Cheney and Sir Frederick Tylney
1. Elizabeth Tylney+ b. 1447, d. 4 Apr 1497
Children: 1. Elizabeth TYLNEY, Countess of Surrey b: 1446 in Surrey, England
Ancestor of both Queen Jane Seymour and Queen Anne Boleyn.
"...by dint of her two marriages, was the great-grandmother of Anne Boleyn, Jane Seymour, and Catherine Howard, three of the wives of King Henry VIII of England, thus making her great-great-grandmother to King Edward VI, the son of Henry VIII and Jane Seymour, and Elizabeth I, the daughter of Henry VIII and Anne Boleyn."
Elizabeth's brother---Sir John Cheney, and his wife Elizabeth Rempston---are direct ancestors of former Vice-President Richard Cheney.
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